New Club on Evom: Truth Squad
Tom likes AMS kick him off. LOL J/K
This is a great Idea. I really hope it works out for you guys. It only means good things for vendors that are honest about there products.
Good Job.
Eric
This is a great Idea. I really hope it works out for you guys. It only means good things for vendors that are honest about there products.
Good Job.
Eric
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Originally Posted by 4TUN8
On a sidenote, I would kill 1000 kittens to get people to stop using "ur" instead of you're or your. That's a completely different subject all around however.
but i do that not because all the "cool kids" do it. if u knew me in person, u would see how incredibly lazy i am. but at least i use proper grammar and such and if i were to write a real article/review/explanation, i would use all the proper words and capitalizations.i would like to contribute to the technical write ups as much as i can, if it deals with car dynamics and stuff. i also have buncha links to websites with various articles on racing, physics of cars, just general technical info for rally cars, etc. that could be added to related threads that result from T-squad's activities. can't think of anything else right now, but there might be more i can help with...
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These are good ideas and this thread emphasizes the community of this site. It is only as good as the members and hopefully we can pool resources to create informative summaries in the areas of greatest interest. The Admins and moderators do not have the time and in some cases expertise to create these knowledge bases.
Those of you old enough to remember the DSM knowledge base will understand. I discovered my '94 TSI Talon through that site.
I think every single question ever asked was in that knowledge base. From ABS to BOV to Crank walk to Timing Belts. It was easy to find the question and easy to read and understand. Perhaps we could create a similar reference tuned for the Evo? It would take a lot of members tackling the questions ask in the tech and general forums. Thoughts?
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Those of you old enough to remember the DSM knowledge base will understand. I discovered my '94 TSI Talon through that site.
I think every single question ever asked was in that knowledge base. From ABS to BOV to Crank walk to Timing Belts. It was easy to find the question and easy to read and understand. Perhaps we could create a similar reference tuned for the Evo? It would take a lot of members tackling the questions ask in the tech and general forums. Thoughts?Speedlimit....
Originally Posted by Speedlimit
These are good ideas and this thread emphasizes the community of this site. It is only as good as the members and hopefully we can pool resources to create informative summaries in the areas of greatest interest. The Admins and moderators do not have the time and in some cases expertise to create these knowledge bases.
Those of you old enough to remember the DSM knowledge base will understand. I discovered my '94 TSI Talon through that site. I think every single question ever asked was in that knowledge base. From ABS to BOV to Crank walk to Timing Belts. It was easy to find the question and easy to read and understand. Perhaps we could create a similar reference tuned for the Evo? It would take a lot of members tackling the questions ask in the tech and general forums. Thoughts?
Speedlimit....
Those of you old enough to remember the DSM knowledge base will understand. I discovered my '94 TSI Talon through that site.
I think every single question ever asked was in that knowledge base. From ABS to BOV to Crank walk to Timing Belts. It was easy to find the question and easy to read and understand. Perhaps we could create a similar reference tuned for the Evo? It would take a lot of members tackling the questions ask in the tech and general forums. Thoughts?Speedlimit....
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Originally Posted by timzcat
One thing I will say bout what Mr. Stock wrote is that the ability to read and write is the basis for all required education in this country. If someone thinks thier slang is cool then they need to realize that many of us will not even bother to read it, let alone think that a technical answer will be understood by them. It ruins thier credibility on the forum when they are too lazy to use punctuation and form complete sentences. Why suddenly would thier language be aceptable because it's on the internet when they never got away with it in school or any business that I know of except maybe slinging drugs.
Remember, what is truly important in terms of language is COMMUNICATION. English is commonly the second and third language of many on this forum and as long as the member can get their point across accurately, then I feel that is acceptable. I would hate to see a Japanese Evo engineer post something enlightening up in broken English and then get criticized for grammar.
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
I agree with this. The list is already questionable. I know that smogrunner's plan was not to create a real club or group per se, but rather an understanding among people with like-mindedness. To be successful, I think it's of vital importance to limit membership on a nomination basis while also keeping membership to a minimum, else it gets diluted and cumbersome to manage.
One thing that I hope is not lost in all this is the effectiveness of humor. Ya gotta have fun with it ya know?
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Originally Posted by geminix3
just catching up with this thread, and i think it's a noble idea fraught with complications- but the above post addresses many of the problems. i was thinking this as i read through the thread- in order to have credibility, the people on the 'squad really need to be nominated/elected/approved for the role, say, based on a review of their posting history.
my take is this: formalize the goals, formalize the process used to achieve those goals, re-evaluate constantly, to ensure that the goals are being met, and adjust as needed.
sound complicated? it is, kinda. here's a good starting point:
http://www.archives.gov/national-arc...ranscript.html
... and yeah, establishing credibility is a big job.
any skepticism aside, for a group like this to exist outside the formal management structure of the site is not that much of a stretch- any citizen oversight commitee or neighborhood watch is formed the same way.
i think the cause is important, even if i have my doubts that it can be pulled off here. for my part, i'd like to offer my help:
Proposed Goals of EvoM TruthSquad Commitee:
1) To be an authoritative source of Technical Information on this site.
2) To maintain financial and political independence from site vendors.
3) To maintain standards of conduct and communication which suitably represent the finest of our membership.
Proposed membership process:
1) Prospective Squad members must be nominated and approved.
1a) Nomination may be made by any EvoM member. Members may nominate themselves.
1b) Nomination shall include the submission of a post history, for squad review.
1c) Approval shall be given by the current team members, in the form of a vote.
2) Approval is based on meeting certain basic criteria, and a review of post history.
2a) Nominee should not have any financial ties to any site vendor.
2b) Nominee shall have demonstrated history of competent technical understanding (possibly graded by level?), and sound advice disbursal.
2c) Nominee shall have demonstrated history of good conduct toward fellow members. at least to a point
3) Review is conducted by current sqad members, via PM(?).
3a) The Review Process is used to make the case, discuss any concerns, conduct any research needed to qualify or reject a nominee.
3b) The Squad may include the nominee in the discussion, but is not required to.
4) When review is complete to the satisfaction of the squad members, a vote is taken.
4a) Vote is via PM, sent to squad chair.
4b) Results are sent back to squad members to verify, and announced to Nominee.
... it's a start, at least. as usual, the thread has moved on since i began this, but hopefully it's got some value.
this process could be applied by the current members to each other to get off on the right foot, and just to test the method.
even if deemed workable, this process should be reviewed and refined as the need arises.
does this help?
my take is this: formalize the goals, formalize the process used to achieve those goals, re-evaluate constantly, to ensure that the goals are being met, and adjust as needed.
sound complicated? it is, kinda. here's a good starting point:
http://www.archives.gov/national-arc...ranscript.html
... and yeah, establishing credibility is a big job.
any skepticism aside, for a group like this to exist outside the formal management structure of the site is not that much of a stretch- any citizen oversight commitee or neighborhood watch is formed the same way.
i think the cause is important, even if i have my doubts that it can be pulled off here. for my part, i'd like to offer my help:
Proposed Goals of EvoM TruthSquad Commitee:
1) To be an authoritative source of Technical Information on this site.
2) To maintain financial and political independence from site vendors.
3) To maintain standards of conduct and communication which suitably represent the finest of our membership.
Proposed membership process:
1) Prospective Squad members must be nominated and approved.
1a) Nomination may be made by any EvoM member. Members may nominate themselves.
1b) Nomination shall include the submission of a post history, for squad review.
1c) Approval shall be given by the current team members, in the form of a vote.
2) Approval is based on meeting certain basic criteria, and a review of post history.
2a) Nominee should not have any financial ties to any site vendor.
2b) Nominee shall have demonstrated history of competent technical understanding (possibly graded by level?), and sound advice disbursal.
2c) Nominee shall have demonstrated history of good conduct toward fellow members. at least to a point
3) Review is conducted by current sqad members, via PM(?).
3a) The Review Process is used to make the case, discuss any concerns, conduct any research needed to qualify or reject a nominee.
3b) The Squad may include the nominee in the discussion, but is not required to.
4) When review is complete to the satisfaction of the squad members, a vote is taken.
4a) Vote is via PM, sent to squad chair.
4b) Results are sent back to squad members to verify, and announced to Nominee.
... it's a start, at least. as usual, the thread has moved on since i began this, but hopefully it's got some value.
this process could be applied by the current members to each other to get off on the right foot, and just to test the method.
even if deemed workable, this process should be reviewed and refined as the need arises.
does this help?
Wow! The level of thought and effort you put into your post is commendable. Thank you so much and I hope you stay involved. Once again, I only hope that the Truth Squad doesn't become sterile. So, I'm all for a process, but lets keep it fun and entertaining as well.
Some random thoughts:
Extracting specific info from this site is getting increasingly difficult. I rarely visit the General Evo forum; it's a complete mess. Creating a group for new members to look to for accurate information with open enrollment won't work. There are some really good ideas in this thread, and I applaud the efforts of those trying to effect change. I've been involved with several car forums over the years and this kind of thing happens on all of them. Identifying those members that can actually help is the difficult part, as is clamping down on the repetitive posts. Perhaps making the "Newbie" forum more prevalent would help. Make the registration email link go directly there? I try to contribute when I can, and I NEVER post a question without searching first. If everybody did that we wouldn't have this thread.
Extracting specific info from this site is getting increasingly difficult. I rarely visit the General Evo forum; it's a complete mess. Creating a group for new members to look to for accurate information with open enrollment won't work. There are some really good ideas in this thread, and I applaud the efforts of those trying to effect change. I've been involved with several car forums over the years and this kind of thing happens on all of them. Identifying those members that can actually help is the difficult part, as is clamping down on the repetitive posts. Perhaps making the "Newbie" forum more prevalent would help. Make the registration email link go directly there? I try to contribute when I can, and I NEVER post a question without searching first. If everybody did that we wouldn't have this thread.
Originally Posted by 992gnt
Some random thoughts:
Extracting specific info from this site is getting increasingly difficult. I rarely visit the General Evo forum; it's a complete mess. Creating a group for new members to look to for accurate information with open enrollment won't work. There are some really good ideas in this thread, and I applaud the efforts of those trying to effect change. I've been involved with several car forums over the years and this kind of thing happens on all of them. Identifying those members that can actually help is the difficult part, as is clamping down on the repetitive posts. Perhaps making the "Newbie" forum more prevalent would help. Make the registration email link go directly there? I try to contribute when I can, and I NEVER post a question without searching first. If everybody did that we wouldn't have this thread.
Extracting specific info from this site is getting increasingly difficult. I rarely visit the General Evo forum; it's a complete mess. Creating a group for new members to look to for accurate information with open enrollment won't work. There are some really good ideas in this thread, and I applaud the efforts of those trying to effect change. I've been involved with several car forums over the years and this kind of thing happens on all of them. Identifying those members that can actually help is the difficult part, as is clamping down on the repetitive posts. Perhaps making the "Newbie" forum more prevalent would help. Make the registration email link go directly there? I try to contribute when I can, and I NEVER post a question without searching first. If everybody did that we wouldn't have this thread.
The noobs could still read the rest of the forum and learn as they go, just not post in other sections until they reach evolving member status. I see a couple of benefits from this..... it frees up the rest of the board for more meaningful and easier to find discussions, it (the truth squad) serves as a welcoming committee for the noobs, it offers the vendors a target rich environment to peddle their goods, and it helps the moderators find post ****** who are just trying to reach evolving member status by only having to search a single forum. I don't see any downsides, but I've only been thinking about for about 3 minutes....
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
That is fine with me, but that will require the assistance of moderators. Also, I would love to have a dedicated T-Squad forum as well, but then, once again, we will need moderator cooperation. When I cooked the idea up, I didn't figure moderators would be all that willing to help.
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So how/ where do we start a discussion? As some of you may have noticed I have a problem with a certain vendor's "testing" procedure. I believe the vendor has great products and I run them on my car. I also believe the vendor and most of his testing is very beneficial to the community. However, I think it is a farce to test another company's product by simply unbolting the stock part and replacing it with the after market part and no tuning. If this same procedure were used to test this vendor's own parts, imagine how few would make any significant power.
I thought about this a little more and I think this is a great idea if done properly. I don't think evom should have someone selected who only has a couple years under their belt. There is a great deal of people in the 25-40+ year old range who have been doing this a while. These people are the ones you will learn the most from.
First, we should "as a group" make up a list of very knowledgeable individuals that are willing to be apart of this selected group.
Second, a select few of these people, if not all of them(evom's choice) should be voted in. Obviously there doesn't need to be a vote if everyone chooses the later of the two.
1. If you are involved with this "squad" you should consider yourself a teacher to the less knowledgeable. Yes this even means when a newb ask a silly question. Take it in stride and explain to the best of your ability.
2. If for some reason you cannot explain it so they completely understand, redirect them to a locked sticky thread. You can also direct them towards Google and give them key words to get them going in the right direction.
3. I think these selected/voted people should also consider doing write ups on learning experiences while wrenching. These write ups can be used to educate the less than fortunate people. Less than fortunate meaning, people lacking the knowledge needed to understand how things work.
4. The "squad" should also keep in mind that if somebody whether a newb or not wants to spend $15K-20K on their car, that is their own right. Comments like "that is just stupid to spend that much money" are not needed. It very well might be a horrible investment, but that doesn't give you the right to insult them.
That being said I think these "squad" members IF voted in and can also be voted out for unruly behavior or being overly opinionated.
There are so many people on here that would benefit this "squad" I can't even begin to name them all.
If it helps, I am going to make up a list of people who IMO are kind enough to help others with the knowledge they have gained.
First, we should "as a group" make up a list of very knowledgeable individuals that are willing to be apart of this selected group.
Second, a select few of these people, if not all of them(evom's choice) should be voted in. Obviously there doesn't need to be a vote if everyone chooses the later of the two.
1. If you are involved with this "squad" you should consider yourself a teacher to the less knowledgeable. Yes this even means when a newb ask a silly question. Take it in stride and explain to the best of your ability.
2. If for some reason you cannot explain it so they completely understand, redirect them to a locked sticky thread. You can also direct them towards Google and give them key words to get them going in the right direction.
3. I think these selected/voted people should also consider doing write ups on learning experiences while wrenching. These write ups can be used to educate the less than fortunate people. Less than fortunate meaning, people lacking the knowledge needed to understand how things work.
4. The "squad" should also keep in mind that if somebody whether a newb or not wants to spend $15K-20K on their car, that is their own right. Comments like "that is just stupid to spend that much money" are not needed. It very well might be a horrible investment, but that doesn't give you the right to insult them.
That being said I think these "squad" members IF voted in and can also be voted out for unruly behavior or being overly opinionated.
There are so many people on here that would benefit this "squad" I can't even begin to name them all.
If it helps, I am going to make up a list of people who IMO are kind enough to help others with the knowledge they have gained.
Originally Posted by robertrinaustin
So how/ where do we start a discussion? As some of you may have noticed I have a problem with a certain vendor's "testing" procedure. I believe the vendor has great products and I run them on my car. I also believe the vendor and most of his testing is very beneficial to the community. However, I think it is a farce to test another company's product by simply unbolting the stock part and replacing it with the after market part and no tuning. If this same procedure were used to test this vendor's own parts, imagine how few would make any significant power.
