What do Lotus Elise drivers think about the Evolution IX?
Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
Do you know anything??? The S2000 won the international engine award for the F20 from 2000-2005. 5 years in a row. Also, the motor is the most powerful NA four cylinder and the most efficent (HP per liter) NA motor in the world.
Evo pulls .95 Gs on the skidpad, the Lotus pulls 1.08 Gs
Umm, the EVO is very easy to drive fast. RWD takes a LOT more skill to drive then FWD or AWD (which is FWD baised)
Evo pulls .95 Gs on the skidpad, the Lotus pulls 1.08 Gs
Umm, the EVO is very easy to drive fast. RWD takes a LOT more skill to drive then FWD or AWD (which is FWD baised)
In stock form its amazing yes. That doesn't matter to me though. Its already reached its limits practically. I think the most I've seen out of it was around 280whp or so with like 20k invested. stroked to 2.5. ITB's and the works. Who cares? Too much for not enough.
The lotus elise doesn't pull 1.08 G's on the skidpad. more like 1.03-1.04.
Your last point wasn't the arguement. he said it was easy to drive and i said it wasn't. I never said it was harder than rwd. thanks
Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
"SUPER rigid high center backbone X Frame design. Derived from a Colin Chapman design (Lotus). Is as rigid as many coupes. This allows a stiffer more highly tuned suspension without the worry of chassis flex"
Talk about questionable reasoning...
They are refering to the concept of a backbone design, not the actual chassis in the S2000. Colin Chapman died in the early 80's as the Delorean Motor Company was being torn apart by the Brittish Government. Yes the principals that Colin Chapman pioneered with the back bone or "x frame" are evident in the S2000, but thats like saying every automobile today had an assembly process designed by Henry Ford since almost all cars are built on assembly lines. I should hope Chapman didnt design the S2000, Im sure a design from the 1980s would pale in comparison to newer, better developed technologies.
Please think after you read a statement before you quote it incorrectly to the masses....
Originally Posted by donmeca2020
i have to argee with you on that one jbrown, its an all out racing car. i mean as i said before i wouldnt own nore want to drive one thats just my 2 cents. but these guys are making it sound like the thing is such an Exotic car. by the way Jbrown has the car running after the flash? i was the big red headed guy with 05 electric blue evo.
Love the way your car looks, btw. I wish they had Electric Blue in 2003 when I got mine! Hows yours running?
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
The Evo or Cayman cannot possibly hold the same type of grip the Elise can around a sharp turn. The elise weighs 1900 lbs versus the Evo's 3200lbs. While yes, in a straight line the (stock) Elise might be slower than an Evo, it's engine can be modified. The bottom line is, the stock Elise can corner faster than any stock Evo (disregarding the euro FQ). So if you think the Elise is slow, the Evo is slower (when cornering). The Elise has an extremely low center of gravity and weighs next to nothing. There aren't many other cars that can handle as good as this car (especially not a Cayman lol).
I know there is little to nothing that can out corner an Elise or Exige, but my point is that corning itself isn't everything. The Evo can exit the corners harder and faster than the Elise thanks to AWD and a lot more power. Its definately all over if the track you're at has any straightaways.
I'm definately not putting down Lotus though.... or saying the Evo is the greatest thing EVAR. They are what they are. But on a road course, my experience is that modded or not, the Evo wins. AutoX might be a different story.
Originally Posted by Tristar Racing
Talk about questionable reasoning...
They are refering to the concept of a backbone design, not the actual chassis in the S2000. Colin Chapman died in the early 80's as the Delorean Motor Company was being torn apart by the Brittish Government. Yes the principals that Colin Chapman pioneered with the back bone or "x frame" are evident in the S2000, but thats like saying every automobile today had an assembly process designed by Henry Ford since almost all cars are built on assembly lines. I should hope Chapman didnt design the S2000, Im sure a design from the 1980s would pale in comparison to newer, better developed technologies.
Please think after you read a statement before you quote it incorrectly to the masses....
They are refering to the concept of a backbone design, not the actual chassis in the S2000. Colin Chapman died in the early 80's as the Delorean Motor Company was being torn apart by the Brittish Government. Yes the principals that Colin Chapman pioneered with the back bone or "x frame" are evident in the S2000, but thats like saying every automobile today had an assembly process designed by Henry Ford since almost all cars are built on assembly lines. I should hope Chapman didnt design the S2000, Im sure a design from the 1980s would pale in comparison to newer, better developed technologies.
Please think after you read a statement before you quote it incorrectly to the masses....
The S2000 has Lotus development ideas behind it. That what I said.
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Originally Posted by teknishnIX
The Cayman S is widely regarded as one of the best handling cars out there. Not as good as an Elise, but still quite good.
I know there is little to nothing that can out corner an Elise or Exige, but my point is that corning itself isn't everything. The Evo can exit the corners harder and faster than the Elise thanks to AWD and a lot more power. Its definately all over if the track you're at has any straightaways.
I'm definately not putting down Lotus though.... or saying the Evo is the greatest thing EVAR. They are what they are. But on a road course, my experience is that modded or not, the Evo wins. AutoX might be a different story.
I know there is little to nothing that can out corner an Elise or Exige, but my point is that corning itself isn't everything. The Evo can exit the corners harder and faster than the Elise thanks to AWD and a lot more power. Its definately all over if the track you're at has any straightaways.
I'm definately not putting down Lotus though.... or saying the Evo is the greatest thing EVAR. They are what they are. But on a road course, my experience is that modded or not, the Evo wins. AutoX might be a different story.
On the track on street tires my car keeps up with/passes street-tire shod elises but the ones with the track package have more grip in the turns. I am not really sure what all the Elise hype is about but I've never driven one. I'll say one thing, steering input on an Evo is far from vague...I can tell when the alignment shop is off less than 1 degree on the steering angle...
Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
What did I quote wrong??
The S2000 has Lotus development ideas behind it. That what I said.
The S2000 has Lotus development ideas behind it. That what I said.
That is not a true statement. Honda's design is similar to the backbone concept that was pioneered by Lotus in the Esprit and the Delorean in the late 70's / early 80's but shares nothing more than basic theory. The C5/C6 Corvette uses a backbone style chassis with hydroformed rails, does that mean Lotus designed it? No, it doesnt.
Originally Posted by Tristar Racing
No you orignally said "Dont forget, Lotus Designed/devoloped our frame."
That is not a true statement. Honda's design is similar to the backbone concept that was pioneered by Lotus in the Esprit and the Delorean in the late 70's / early 80's but shares nothing more than basic theory. The C5/C6 Corvette uses a backbone style chassis with hydroformed rails, does that mean Lotus designed it? No, it doesnt.
That is not a true statement. Honda's design is similar to the backbone concept that was pioneered by Lotus in the Esprit and the Delorean in the late 70's / early 80's but shares nothing more than basic theory. The C5/C6 Corvette uses a backbone style chassis with hydroformed rails, does that mean Lotus designed it? No, it doesnt.
the S2000 and the lotus suck.
The evo is the only car that should be sold cuz it the best car in the world.
Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
Ok, lotus had nothing to do with the S2000.
the S2000 and the lotus suck.
The evo is the only car that should be sold cuz it the best car in the world.
the S2000 and the lotus suck.
The evo is the only car that should be sold cuz it the best car in the world.
Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
Ok, lotus had nothing to do with the S2000.
the S2000 and the lotus suck.
The evo is the only car that should be sold cuz it the best car in the world.
the S2000 and the lotus suck.
The evo is the only car that should be sold cuz it the best car in the world.
Originally Posted by Tristar Racing
What does that have to do with anything being debated? I love the S2000 and almost bought one when I got my Evo. In addition, I have considered many times a trade for an Elise. If your trying to reason that I think the S2K and the Elise suck, your wrong. I was trying to correct a false statement made on your part. Thats no reason to get sarcastic.
I dont think you hate/like any car, I just dont care.
The statment isn't completely false.
Lotus ideas had a part in the development of the S2000 (and probably other car). Thats all I was trying to get across.
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
What about a modified Elise?
The other question is what type of mods are we talking for the Elise? They have small high compression Toyota rigs that are not suited for boost without changing internals. You might get away with small boost, but even that is pushing your luck IMHO. Not to mention the extraordinary cost associated with modding an Elise
On the other hand, about $1500 on an Evo IX puts you past 400bhp easily. And while its not necessary, you can toss in another $1500 for some suspension upgrades if you really want to kick some booty.
Originally Posted by Kee1pride
jeez kid. stop getting so butt hurt from a guy just trying to correct you. he never said any of that
Also, I believe you the one with the hurt butt because there cars that are just as good or even better the your GOD evo.
Also, Im not a kid. I dont know any kid that own a EVO and S2k all on their own.