Like I said, lack of intelligence.... Why don't you go back and re-read my statement then edit your reply.

 

Uhm...because it's not a racecar...the max speed limit in the continental U.S. is 75mph and because the burdern of proof is on you. As much as we all hate it we can yell MMWA till we are blue in the face but will still own you. I don't understand how people on here think that owes them some leeway just because Evo's are based off of rally cars. It's still an mass-produced vehicle just like Suzuki Esteems and Chevrolet Corvettes. If you abuse them, don't expect the manufacturer to pay for your actions.

That is why I don't give a crap about service or it's warranty. I didn't buy my Evo just to ****&moan about my driving habits and mod list breaking the car.

 

They can and will... My buddy had an S2000, his motor blew... He checked to see what happen and it was caused by a defect on the motor, Honda issued a Recall in Europe based on the defect, but didn't offer the recall in the US, even though it's the same motor... See, I guess Honda is just a shady as Mitsu.... They tried to check the Black Box, however it was defective, and he ended up winning the court case and they paid him $5,000 for the engine he had to buy.

The only reason he won the case is because he had an ASE Quad Master Certified tech check out the ride before he took it to the dealer, and took pictures and all... Smart guy, I work with 10-15 different Quad Master Tech's so we have that advantage.

 

You obviously haven't read anything in this theard before posting your ignorant statement... I have a friend who works for Geico, the 3rd largest insurance company in the US.

He is forced to follow a process to order the Black Box report from EVO's when their was an accident, period end of story.

He told me that most 05's and all 06's have them. It is connected or built into the ECU.

 

The 5th Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the protection against self-incrimination, BUT being involved in an accident where you might be at fault qualifies as "probable cause" for police, insurance companies, victims of the crash, etc. to search for evidence that might convict you, including information from the black box, which usually only records data for the few seconds surrounding an accident, triggered by such things as the airbags going off.

 

GPS tracking devices exist and are readily available for purchase. Young guys, don't let your parents know about this:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/dailyre...ews/ci_4288219

 

If you don't want to read the whole article, here's the meat of it:

"GPS tracking systems, usually about the size of a deck of cards, come with a range of features. The one [purchased by the father] is a "passive tracking" system, which lets a user retrieve data stored in the unit on a computer. Other GPS tracking systems are called "real-time," in which a person can remotely monitor the device through a cell phone or computer to get instant data. Real-time tracking requires the purchase of a monthly service plan, similar to cell phone plans.

The units come with features like built-in magnets which let them stick them to metal surfaces on a car. GPS satellites circling the globe then hone in on these devices though a series of signals, and the units log data such as speed of driving and travel routes. "

The article says that legally the only person who can install one of these in a car is the owner, but I'm sure many parents will ignore that. Guys, if you're still living with parents who like to monitor you, check your car for little black boxes!

 

Please read the Constitution.

The Fifth Amendment guarantees you the right to not self incriminate. You DO NOT have to submit to a field sobriety test, blood test, or breathalyzer. Most states have penalties for not cooperating (revoked license for 6 months, etc.) but you are FAR better off not giving them the evidence they need (if you actually were drinking and driving). You will still go through litigation, but they have a very hard timing making the charges stick without a breathalyzer or sobriety test.

Back to the main subject...

There are many legal scenarios that might arise from removing/defeating the black box. The key to legality (Constitutionality) seems to rest with two factors:

Is an operating black box a requirement for operating a motor vehicle in your state?

Without a clear cut law mandating the use of a black box device, any criminal/civil charges brought against you would have to rely on intent. As in why did you defeat the device.

This brings me to the second factor. What was the intent for removing the device? Removing the device just after an accident would raise considerable suspicion and would likely meet the burden of proof for malicious intent in a civil trial, perhaps in a criminal trial as well. Removing the device prior to any accident (on the foundation of privacy) seems perfectly acceptable (sans legislation mandating it’s use).

 

We're already sliding down the slippery slope. Insurance companies are currently offering discounts to drivers who agree to install vehicle monitoring devices in their cars. Not just the 5 second EDRs, but more long-term tattle tale recorders. The next step will be vastly increased premiums if you don't install them. Then the government will come in and make them mandatory in the name of safety and "protecting the public good". The American Civil Liberties Union is fighting against this. The outlook at this point is unclear.

 

If you bought your car in Texas after September of 2005, Mitsubishi is required by law to tell you that your car has a EDR.

Texas State Statutes
Transportation Code
Sec. 547.615

RECORDING DEVICES.
(a) In this section:
(1) "Owner" means a person who:
(A) has all the incidents of ownership of a motor vehicle,
including legal title, regardless of whether the person lends, rents, or creates a security
interest in the vehicle;
(B) is entitled to possession of a motor vehicle as a
purchaser under a security agreement; or
(C) is entitled to possession of a motor vehicle as a lessee
under a written lease agreement if the agreement is for a period of not less than three
months.
(2) "Recording device" means a feature that is installed by the
manufacturer in a motor vehicle and that does any of the following for the purpose of
retrieving information from the vehicle after an accident in which the vehicle has been
involved:
(A) records the speed and direction the vehicle is traveling;
(B) records vehicle location data;
(C) records steering performance;
(D) records brake performance, including information on
whether brakes were applied before an accident;
(E) records the driver's safety belt status; or
(F) transmits information concerning the accident to a
central communications system when the accident occurs.
(b) A manufacturer of a new motor vehicle that is sold or leased in this state
and that is equipped with a recording device shall disclose that fact in the owner's
manual of the vehicle.
(c) Information recorded or transmitted by a recording device may not be
retrieved by a person other than the owner of the motor vehicle in which the recording
device is installed except:
(1) on court order;
(2) with the consent of the owner for any purpose, including for the
purpose of diagnosing, servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle;
(3) for the purpose of improving motor vehicle safety, including for
medical research on the human body's reaction to motor vehicle accidents, if the identity
of the owner or driver of the vehicle is not disclosed in connection with the retrieved
information; or
(4) for the purpose of determining the need for or facilitating
emergency medical response in the event of a motor vehicle accident.
(d) For information recorded or transmitted by a recording device described by
Subsection (a)(2)(B), a court order may be obtained only after a showing that:
(1) retrieval of the information is necessary to protect the public
safety; or
(2) the information is evidence of an offense or constitutes evidence
that a particular person committed an offense.
(e) For the purposes of Subsection (c)(3):
(1) disclosure of a motor vehicle's vehicle identification number with
the last six digits deleted or redacted is not disclosure of the identity of the owner or
driver; and
(2) retrieved information may be disclosed only:
(A) for the purposes of motor vehicle safety and medical
research communities to advance the purposes described in Subsection (c)(3); or
(B) to a data processor solely for the purposes described in
Subsection (c)(3).
(f) If a recording device is used as part of a subscription service, the
subscription service agreement must disclose that the device may record or transmit
information as described by Subsection (a)(2). Subsection (c) does not apply to a
subscription service under this subsection.

 

my friend posted this acouple weeks ago on another forum

http://bayarearacing.org/viewtopic.p...ad302aabc30a26

 

there are many concepts of this in the computer world...for instance a computer processo may be overclocked but they dont care if you play games and use its full potential ...all they care is that you dont overclock it...and when you do a simple single transistor is burned where it does not affect the performance but rather says "there goes your warranty stupidass" all they need is a single chip that costs less than a dollar to make the is blank and if something is over boosted it just marks a single lke a 0 or 1, neg / pos kinda deal...

 

ohh and if that doesnt scare you, your ecu data logs constantly but because of limited capacity it only rembers the last 15 mins of it....so i mean i bet alot of you should have yur warrenties vioded but who cares i think of it personally more of a game of chance....

 

He should have taken the Rental Car Company to court. Others have gotten these fines overturned. Read this article:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/ramasastry/20050823.html