Boycott RMR!!! - Long ASS Rant
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Originally posted by L E N A R C
Haha. Funny. Sounds like Rhys's girls did this Sac Town boy good!
One question: Didn't your attorney advise you against flaming RMR on EvoMit?
No? I think you're gonna need a REAL lawyer, now.
BTW: I still can't believe you took your Evo to Shiv for a second opinion regarding RMR. Doh!
Haha. Funny. Sounds like Rhys's girls did this Sac Town boy good!
One question: Didn't your attorney advise you against flaming RMR on EvoMit?
No? I think you're gonna need a REAL lawyer, now.
BTW: I still can't believe you took your Evo to Shiv for a second opinion regarding RMR. Doh!
Sounds like you are on RMR's side. I would not buy anything from them after hearing this. And if I have a problem with ANY vendor I will post it good and bad.
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Re: Re: Boycott RMR!!! - Long *** Rant
Originally posted by blackevo2001
yeah im selling my rmr air filter, it doesnt do s..t for my car.
my friend has rmr full exhaust, when we drag raced, he was always half a second slower then me....
air filter 50 bucks,
yeah im selling my rmr air filter, it doesnt do s..t for my car.
my friend has rmr full exhaust, when we drag raced, he was always half a second slower then me....
air filter 50 bucks,
I say burn the crap and take picks of it up in flames. lol What a sorry *** thing for them to do. Sounds like the "Pro" NSX tech that took 3 customers cars and when someone came in for service he would take parts off of one customers car and put it on the other. Some real dirt bags out there no matter WHAT there name is. Lot's of smoke in mirrors.
Id sue for 30k just to get **** back stock and pain and suffering! 
Can't believe they did that to your car! RMR has not been on my list for a while due to these kind of comments. Sometimes they are right on and **** runs great but other times this happens. There is no excuse for something like this. NONE! I feel your pain brother! 
its harder to tune a car if you throw 10 mods on it at once. maybe they bit off more than they could chew. but you are responsible for your car too. i've heard many people complain about high costs and average service. your goal was high and money doesn't solve every problem.
Originally posted by Coolguy949
wow, people are really pissed. I've talk to two people today on AIM that want to get rid of all their RMR stuff!
wow, people are really pissed. I've talk to two people today on AIM that want to get rid of all their RMR stuff!
rmr (and their ****ty customer service) or the parts they sell?
At least 3 sides, modvp. 1 for each party involved and then the objective truth. 
Have the parts in any way damaged your car? I think the problem is that they should have installed and tested each part one at a time, doing ECU last and smoothed out problems one at a time so that they didn't have a list of problems to fix (and then pass on to you).
I've personally had two problems with RMR and they weren't even their fault (the delay from Wilwood on the BBU and the missing brake lines...but since Wilwood shipped RMR never even had them). Both Blair and Eric were very helpful an friendly when I spoke to them.
Sorry to hear your story, but honestly...with that much money invested aren't you at all interested in getting it to run properly?
Andrew's First Rule of Tuning: Expect problems and lots of them.
Andrew's Second Rule of Tuning: Expect those problems to cost more money than you want them to.
Have the parts in any way damaged your car? I think the problem is that they should have installed and tested each part one at a time, doing ECU last and smoothed out problems one at a time so that they didn't have a list of problems to fix (and then pass on to you).
I've personally had two problems with RMR and they weren't even their fault (the delay from Wilwood on the BBU and the missing brake lines...but since Wilwood shipped RMR never even had them). Both Blair and Eric were very helpful an friendly when I spoke to them.
Sorry to hear your story, but honestly...with that much money invested aren't you at all interested in getting it to run properly?
Andrew's First Rule of Tuning: Expect problems and lots of them.
Andrew's Second Rule of Tuning: Expect those problems to cost more money than you want them to.
Originally posted by Z1 Performance
The cams definately caused the idle.........it takes alot of careful tuning to get 272 cams to idle perfectly smoothly..there will always be a bit of bubrle and oscillation with these cams. Since you are familar with the DSM world, go see what a 1G T/E/L idles like with 272's.....as Road Race puts it, it basically sounds like you need a new ISC..very lopey. Now, like I said with careful tuning, that can be remedied, but that is the trade off for such cams.
As for the EGT probe, there is no right or wrong here. After the turbo works fine too, but you need to know the temperature difference of moving it down there. The turbo is a huge heat sink in and of itself, so I would estimate around a 100C difference or so between installing it in the 02 housing/downpipe vs the manifold.
The logic behind mounting it in the downpipe is as posted above...if the probe breaks, it won't damage the turbo. That is very sound logic to use when installing an EGT probe with a long shaft to it, ala Autometer and Apex'i 9at lrast their older models, not sure on the new ones). For an HKS or GReddy probe (as well as Defi), they are so short, you would literally need to cut it to break...we have installed probably 200 plus EGT gauges in the last 2 years or so (90% Greddy, 5 % HKS, 5% Defi), and not one has ever broken)
The clutch is going to be hit or miss. When we spoke initially it did not make sense why they only chose to do a disk not a pressure plate. As long as the disk is made of a sound material (tock disk facing is quite good actually), it will be fine...but its the pressure plate that dictates its ability to hold torque. Be careful what upgraded pressure plate you use..I have not yet been able to confirm if we can just use an AP/Helix clutch for the VII and not change the flywheel...some have told me yes, some have said no.
The cams definately caused the idle.........it takes alot of careful tuning to get 272 cams to idle perfectly smoothly..there will always be a bit of bubrle and oscillation with these cams. Since you are familar with the DSM world, go see what a 1G T/E/L idles like with 272's.....as Road Race puts it, it basically sounds like you need a new ISC..very lopey. Now, like I said with careful tuning, that can be remedied, but that is the trade off for such cams.
As for the EGT probe, there is no right or wrong here. After the turbo works fine too, but you need to know the temperature difference of moving it down there. The turbo is a huge heat sink in and of itself, so I would estimate around a 100C difference or so between installing it in the 02 housing/downpipe vs the manifold.
The logic behind mounting it in the downpipe is as posted above...if the probe breaks, it won't damage the turbo. That is very sound logic to use when installing an EGT probe with a long shaft to it, ala Autometer and Apex'i 9at lrast their older models, not sure on the new ones). For an HKS or GReddy probe (as well as Defi), they are so short, you would literally need to cut it to break...we have installed probably 200 plus EGT gauges in the last 2 years or so (90% Greddy, 5 % HKS, 5% Defi), and not one has ever broken)
The clutch is going to be hit or miss. When we spoke initially it did not make sense why they only chose to do a disk not a pressure plate. As long as the disk is made of a sound material (tock disk facing is quite good actually), it will be fine...but its the pressure plate that dictates its ability to hold torque. Be careful what upgraded pressure plate you use..I have not yet been able to confirm if we can just use an AP/Helix clutch for the VII and not change the flywheel...some have told me yes, some have said no.
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Man....I feel for you.....I for one will be voting with my wallet....I will never buy from RMR...any product....I detest people that are happy to take your money... but resent being made to take responsibility for thier obvious incompetence....I hope they suffer financially because of thier negligence......
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq
Adam - on the egt - was thinking also that locating the egt in the header would also serve to weaken the header's physical strength ??? I am leary to drill a hole into my HKS manifold as it is holding up all that weight of the giant turbo and also serving to support the downpipe - any thoughts on that ????
Adam - on the egt - was thinking also that locating the egt in the header would also serve to weaken the header's physical strength ??? I am leary to drill a hole into my HKS manifold as it is holding up all that weight of the giant turbo and also serving to support the downpipe - any thoughts on that ????
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Thanks for sharing the info Shawn. I'll keep your experience in mind. I take customer service very seriously and I'm willing to spend more $ for responsible tuners whom takes care of their customer after the fact. Good luck and keep us posted.
Originally posted by limey
Since when did you get a HKS manifold?.....I thought you bought the one that Quantum supplies? who makes that DNP?
Since when did you get a HKS manifold?.....I thought you bought the one that Quantum supplies? who makes that DNP?
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From: Trinidad, West Indies
A wise mechanic once told me that "the best performance is no performance". In other words... KEEP IT STOCK!!!! My last car was a Volkswagen 1.8t and I did some mods to it and I had to get rid of it at 45000 miles because of all the problems I had. I know we all strive to be different, but at what cost. Is it worth it? I hope you've learned a valuable lesson.
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq
I had the DN one which i got from Quantum - I promtly drilled that one in cyl #1 in that set up - it was very robust. Now I have the HKS unit which is amazing - but much thinner and lighter material - I'm concerend about all the weight it must carry - wanted Adam's input cuase he is the US authority on evos
I had the DN one which i got from Quantum - I promtly drilled that one in cyl #1 in that set up - it was very robust. Now I have the HKS unit which is amazing - but much thinner and lighter material - I'm concerend about all the weight it must carry - wanted Adam's input cuase he is the US authority on evos