Wow, I can't believe you just wrote that much about how some Evo is slightly worse in some aspects than yours.

Someone has got some serious MR envy!

 

another dumb noob comment^^^

 

That's not what I wrote and I'd appreciate it if you didn't take it upon yourself to substitute your own text for the real thing. It boils down to nothing less than a cowardly attempt at dishonest means, especially when you pretend to quote.

That's certainly an "interesting" spin, considering that my comments were aimed at a point-by-point correction of pure ignorance and BS.

If you could explain your absurd claim, I'd appreciate it. When will that happen?

Please shed light on your claim, seeing how it's just a figment of your imagination. What was incorrect and why would an owner of an SE envy a somewhat flawed machine? Please explain.

I'll check back tomorrow and every other day for your reply. Thanks in advance. I'm truly looking forward to this!



Edit: I wondered who'd write something so dumb, so I took a quick look at your past threads:

1. You're a kid who has no idea how to read your dipstick.

2, You tried to start up a hill at 5-6K RPM. Then, you wondered why you smelled the clutch.

Have you ever driven a car before?

With all this in mind, can you explain why you feel in the right to criticize others, when you know sh/t about cars?

 

I apologize to you FJF in anything you just corrected me on. I searched for production numbers, couldn't find anything that said the MR was the most common IX. Guess you are better at using google than me.

However, as far as the transmission goes. Just re-read my original post. I very cleary said "People have trouble with the 6 speed because they leave it in fourth during road races and overheat the damned thing", so you offer no new information in that argument. This is more of a driver problem not a transmission problem. The correct argument to make would be that the MR transmission is worse if you don't know how to drive your car.

As far as a 200 rpm drop in cruising speed goes, I'd like to see where you got this number from. But seeing as how you proved me wrong before I'd just like to see your source. Not trying to be a dick or anything. Just I've heard a number of complaints from people with the 5 speed wishing the car didn't rev so high at cruising speeds.

And people do leave their crap in 4th. It would be kinda hard to blow your 4th gear if you never get into it to begin with. Proper drivers wouldn't do this. BUt again, as I already said, it seems that nobody with an MR actually knows how to drive, so what you might think of as ridiculous is pretty common, and a cause of a lot of blown transmissions. Not from a faulty transmission, but from idiotic driving. I never once said the MR transmission was better than the 5 speed, just that failure can be explained by improper use in almost every case.

So the purely cosmetic argument comes down to a handbrake and a shift knob? Big deal. Sorry I didn't add that to the list to begin with. But it certainly doesn't tip the scales from function to form...

In all respects bro, you are absolutely right. The SE is an overall better Evo than the MR. I was up in the air for quite a long time between the 2 before deciding on the MR, and it really just came down to the fact that I got a great deal on the MR and decided with that one. For someone who argues so hard about how the MR is just overloaded with "cosmetic" crap, you seem to think of it as almost an entirely different class of vehicle as far as actual performance goes. Based on everything you have presented, not sure why that is. I'm not sure what you are really arguing about. The guy originally asked about whether he should go with the c6 or the MR, and you somehow turned it into a "Man does the MR suck, let me tell you why" thread. A simple answer to the OP's question would have been fine....

Again, i'm really not hating on you. You said some things. I called BS. You showed me proof (for the most part) and put me in my place, and I 100% admit to that. All things aside I'm really not sure why you seem to hate the MR so much.

 

It took less than a minute to find the data using EvoM search. Google had nothing to do with it.

Leaving the gearbox in 4th is absurd when running on a road course. It's just wishful thinking on your part. Next.

I'm tired of doing your legwork for you. Search and you will find. This is well-documented.

How do you know, considering? Let me help you - you don't.

You can't be serious. Of course folks run through the gears, including 4th. It's the nature of driving a manual. However, leaving it in 4th without up-shifting, as you claim, is ridiculous.

Many folks who've blown the gearbox are accomplished drivers, so your assertion is a reach at best.

Huh? What? See above.

Seeing how the 6-speed's issues were delineated by the two transmission experts in the business, you're wrong again.

How do you know that it was due to "improper use" when the failures occurred in cars driven by some of the most experienced pilots here, and explained by the experts in the field? Please shed some light on this.

Errr...no. Those were examples, as I said and you read. Look-up the MR's features for a complete list. I'm tired of spoon-feeding the ignorant.

See above.

Nice strawman. How about actually citing facts?

I didn't write this post; you did.

Please forgive me for not checking with you before posting. The truth is that you wrote pure crap and I corrected you in hopes of keeping the integrity of the information. You're an ex-Lancer OZ boy who got his Evo ~2 months ago. Learn something before posting.

Ask me if I care.

Cool.

Please don't try to read my mind. I don't hate the MR or any Evo, for that matter. Hell, I bought two of them. You posted pure garbage and it's as simple as that.

 

The evo will reward u in the longer run take the evo

 

The C6 v8 sounds like sh*t...If you were going of the Z06 then I would have picked that.

Evo 9 RS all the way, if I can turn back time I would get the Evo9 RS cuz its the fastest Evo9, but thats just my opinion......and opinions are like *** holes...everyone has one.

 

Not sure if I agree with that^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^V-10's sounds like crap. LS1-3's all sound mean with the right exhaust and the mustang still sounds best of all.

And all sound better than a 4 cylinder.

 

alright i got through about a quarter of this post and got tired of reading everything...buuut here is my opinion on the two.

I come from a purely based chevy background. I own 68, 69, 01 SS Camaro and at one point a C5 Z06. That being said, I love Chevys. But the fact is Chevy cars aren't the best handling vehicles. The vettes have proven very worthy but still lack the refinement and potential other manufactures have. The handling characteristics of the Evos is very sharp, precise and responsive. It's very rare feat on a stock vehicle at such a low cost. Add suspension upgrades and you have one of the best handling cars around. And I promise you, stock-to-stock, the Evo would dominate in cornering speed compared to the C6 but all american horse power would catch up in the straights. So depending on your preference of driving and track choice, it would be up to you. To me big horse power can be made by anything, but having a well designed chassis and suspension potential is something you have or don't from the manufacturer.

The new C6 is a nice car but I wouldn't get it over the Evo. I have always had problems with newer Chevys and not a fan of the "middle age crisis" look they entail. Power is great on the C6, Chevy does make good engines. The LS3 is good and the LS7 is even better being a direct descendant of the winning design of the Le Mans Vette. The automatic transmission is weak and have always eventually had problems with all except the TH400, the manual T-56 is pretty solid and well built. The responsiveness of the C6 does not even come close the Evo. You would have to spend a lot of money to get a vette to have the same handling ability as the Evo.
I could go on forever about this but its all about what makes YOU happy. If you want the more driver inspired racer that is fun as hell to drive...go with the Evo. If you want the all-american brutal power...stab the pedal in the straights and pay extra attention in the corners...get the Vette. But I am telling ya...the Evo has been the most fun car I have ever owned...because it is more challenging. It is easy to go fast in a straight line but it takes real ***** to take a corner, where in any other car you are going to crash but your Evo just laughs at you. The Evo is an amazing car, that has more performance potential than most will ever be able to tap into.

 

Every time I get on evom i look forward to seeing you put someone in their place

Classic.

 

I'm surprised that these are the 2 cars you've come down to. They are SO SO SO Different.

If you like the C6 have you considered a 6L GTO? It's kinda almost like a more practical lower profice vette. (Moving in the direction of the evo a little)

 

Yes sir...I never owned a mustang but I have to admit they sound THE best IMO...no 4 cylinder or even 6 will sound better than a V8.

 

I own a 350z tricked out great DD and i am working on my evo 8. I dont understand you period. You say in BOLD evos should be in the hands of an owner who knows there stuff about cars. Wtf does that mean. I own alot of cars plenty. I mostly do exterior mods never done any engine work. with that being said the evo is the first turbocharged car i have owned. Never messed with forced induction until now. I been learning HUGE HUGE amounts from tuners and vendors and members. I have done all installs myself and have written plenty of guides to installs not on this site for others like me. that want to do it on there own and learn but nobody will take the time to explain the proper process or they get flamed because you feel your better. Who gives a fly ***** if your not experienced because you know what, once you own the car and either problems happen or you want to upgrade something. Guess what your gonna have have to learn new stuff and research and research some more till you get it right. So your basically saying if you dont come from a DSM techy background or know stuff about cars(wtf) you have no business owning a EVO. what qualifies you as knowing stuff about cars. WORKING ON THEM ALL THE TIME, OWNING MANY CARS, HITTING THE SEARCH BUTTON AND READING OTHERS OPINIONS TO FORM YOUR OWN!! all your doing is discourging folks from buying that new evo you make them seem like they are complicated to work on. like being a newbie is a bad thing. We were all new once and introduced to the engine. Im sorry I along with many have to pull the BS FLAG on you the only way your gonna get experience and "know stuff about Cars" is to get in there and DO it.

one more thing to the OP get what you can afford period. The economy is horrible have to take in considering what if you get fired etc could you still make that payment. Cost of repairs on each. Dont always look at the good as others state take in account what if this happens can i afford to fix it etc then you will find your answer as to what car to buy wether its a SE MR SE-MR GSR evo 8-9 RS does not really matter there all evos. the bottomline is this if it breaks YOUR GONNA FIX IT tranny or not.

 

yeah I love FJF too, that guy is funny

 

So I've come to the conclusion that besides being quite knowledgeable, which I think we can all agree on now (myself included ) you seem to also be a big ol' douche. What more do you need? Do I need to fly myself out to wherever you are and kiss your *** and beg for forgiveness? I already told you. Fine. You are right. You put me in my place. You have made another noob a little more knowledgeable. Add me to the list of people whom you have had nothing better to do but to go through and read every one of the posts they have ever made on the boards....

Again, my transmission argument has nothing to do with running through the gears or leaving it in forth and not upshifting it's about people leaving it in forth and not shifting at all. People get on the course find a gear they are comfortable in and stay there the whole time. While experienced drivers will downshift before entering turns and run through the gears during straights, lesser experienced drivers have a tendency to stay in a single gear, go through turns in 4th, straights in 4th, everything in 4th.

Many folks who have blown the gearbox may be accomplished drivers, but those same accomplished drivers have probably done a ****-ton of work to their cars and are putting crazy power to the wheels, which any stock evo transmission cannot handle. The MR seems to be particularly susceptible to this. So in that sense, you are right. There are plenty of people out there with stock or mostly stock MRs who don't completley abuse their car and the stock transmission holds up just as well as the 5 speed.

As for the shift knob and hand brake, I know those were examples. You named 2 features I left out of my original post. Like I said, big deal. I don't need to look up the MR features, there is a list of them in my original post (save for the 2 you corrected me on), but like I said you seem to pick out only what you want to.

And no one is trying to read your mind. If I was, I would have said "I believe you hate the MR because blah blah blah", and not "i'm not sure why you SEEM to hate the MR so much"

But again, i see that im ****ing with the wrong person. i've only had my evo a few months and you have had yours longer. I hope all the time you spent reading all my old posts was enjoyable. Ill check back later because im sure you will hand me my *** again, but ask me if i care. at the very least your posts are interesting to read