at least one person has done his homework, it seems.

 

hey shiv, i've always liked your writing on scc. i was just wondering, why are you not going all out w/ an EVO like pruven is doing? i mean, i feel that some of the people in this forum feel that you are not up there w/ likes of pruven, buschur, etc. why don't you make a shop car tha's super fast and reliable? i know you are more about street cars, but i have absolutely no doubt that you can make a car run w/ best Evos in the country.

 

The weight issue would make sense if it were an R33 or R34, but the car in question is an 1991 R32 which weighs the same as an Evo 8. If it was a 1989-1990 R32, it would actually weigh LESS than a Evo.

That GTR dynoed 609rwhp and ran a 11.1 @ 130mph on 18"s and pirelli's. It should go even faster with the nitrous and the hoosier race tires they will be using. It is setup for road racing, drag times are just a bi-product.

 

Also, the Viper might have 880whp, but dont expect that thing to launch well on anything other then a slick. You're only allowed one set of tires for the event, no swapping to et streets or anything. This is the reason why AWD cars have always won the acceleration tests. And I'd hate to see how he's going to control all that power on a road course, 500lbs of torque damn near off idle is going to be a *****.

 

You are comparing a naturally apirated car to a turboed car and you are missing torque. Remember that in the 80's F1 ran 1.85 liter turboed engines that made more power (in the 1000's) than the current engines do today. Not to knock the Evo, it's got a great engine, but you will always have diminishing returns with a bigger engine (remember the s2000 makes 120 HP per liter, NA from the same size engine) and get less from an NA engine than a turboed engine.

Also as an aside, according to AutoWeek F1 will be switching formulas to 2.8 liter v8's in 2005

 

well said.

are you SERIOUS about v8 in formula??? NOOOOOOOO. well, i guess that will make it more affordable for teams, but since when was f1 about affordable. i hate seeing fia trying to curb f cars dominance in f1. i say, let them do whatever they want.(as long as the tires don't "grow" during the races...)

 

hey, thanks for all the info. from your post it sounds like skyline will take the event. if it does i'd like to see it win w/o counting base price. i think it's there just to penalize viper...

i heard that 880whp viper's driver was testing it out on a road course. heard he's pretty good driver. who's driving the skyline?

 

It's really anyones game, I think the Viper/Evo/Skyline and if it shows up the Ultima GTR are the front runners. Nah, that rule has been there since the event started, it does make sense to limit just to one type of tire, traction is very important and if you can only put power to the ground on slicks it really isnt much of a street car. That's why I love AWD.

No idea who's driving the GTR bro, but the owner has some seat time on road courses. I would guess Sean Morris would do the drag racing and acceleration portions, he's basically the best GTR driver there is in the states when it comes to that.

 

and why again has this turned into a trash talkin contest.....

IMO...EVO = sick car (i own 1); viper = sick car....hell, i will go out on a limb here and state that virtually all the cars in this battle are all SICK...if they werent, they wouldnt be there.


so back to the original topic....I hope PRUVEN does well.

 

The only Viper I have had the opportunity to drive was a '96 R/T we once had for sale. The inside of the car was very spartan. Big plastic expanses and HVAC and radio contorls that could have come from the lowliest of Neons. The one piece front end/hood was difficult to close properly and clumsy to operate. However, none of that mattered. What mattered was the big V10 under the hood that would push you back in the seat in almost any gear, the road presence of the car big wide animalistic stance and the crazy grip the car had on back roads, which could still be easily exceeded with too much from your right foot.

I imagine newer Vipers look better on the inside and I think a GTS would be a far more practical choice, but it seems odd that Evo owners with their spartan interiors, minimalistic HVAC/radio controls and overall race car in a base car feel could hate on this vehicle so much. The Evo is how the Japanese do a street driven race car, and the Viper is how the Americans do a street driven racecar. No frills, just all technology for the Evo, and no frills just all cubic inches and RWD for the Viper. When you get down to it, what is really the difference?

 

I'm curious why no one has even entered a modded twin turbo porsche. The full tilt boogie autothority car makes like 720hp-nothing to sneeze at. You see all these guys with all this cash, and none of these porsche guys pony up. I guess the owners of those cars don't care about this type of publicity.

I'm sure the pruven will do very well, but let's face it, the competition has gotten a litle stiffer this year. I'm sure a couple of the cars are capable of 10sec ets, as well as being able to perform well at the road course. If it has cats it will most likely do well on the emissions test and well on the base price test. My big complaint, the base price should be the amount it would take to duplicate the car, not the price of the car when new.

And to all people who think of the viper as crude, i say isn't that the point of a true american sports car. Big power, awesome handling, huge brack, stiff ride....I mean this is what all enthusiast want for their cars. I guess we are all crude too. Yeah, some people buy them to get noticed, but that's not as bad as it used to be. Those buyers stick with the escalades with 22's. It's not the owners fault that most people see that car as a status simble. If you want an american hot rod, you can buy the Z06, or a viper. I'll take the viper, but only when the acr coupe comes out! Oh, and when i finish my edumacation!

 

I've noticed that too. Where are all the modded Ferrari's the Lambos too? Too much pride at stake? What if they did lose to a lowly Japanese econobox with a ton of mods. Still, a bascially stock Ferrari won the first time, it would be interesting if each years champion could return to defend its title year after year. C/D had a tuner contest too, and Lingenfelter's Vette won, but again no Ferraris or Lambos present. Maybe because Porsches, Vettes, Vipers are almost disposable for some people. I mean, if you tear one up or crash one almost any dealership will have another one. Even if you have the loot, you might not get a certain Ferrari or Lambo becuase the waiting lists are so long, and you certainly aren't going to put it in the hands of some crazy magazine editors to thrash it. How many companies actually make mods for those cars anyway? And if they do, I'm sure the cost is ridiculous. I guess those cars' [owners believe they] have such prestige and track proven records that they are "exempt" from such contests with "lowly" would be competitors.

Jordan aint gonna show up and your church's gym for a pickup game. You can't spar with Holifield. John Force or Stephen Papadakis won't be down at the local street races on Saturday night. But it would be interesting to see an Enzo or Murcielago really put through its paces.

 

What about the
http://www.koenigsegg.com/index.asp

The fastest street car.

 

Just like the stock Ferrari and it was just the base model Ferrari - 360 took the competition before, a top of the line , modded Porsche TT, stock Koenigsegg or stock Enzo would blow them all away.

It's a complete contest. Not just power, Not just light weight.

It always makes for good reading and lots of laughs seeing cars put through all the tests. NOt just some 15 second shifty shifty explode from 91 octane experience.

 

well plain and simply it is my opinion and i still dont like vipers.


VIPERS STILL SUCK.

and about the owners thing yea of course they are not all the same. but the one i know most very certainly is an a$$#0!e.

ohh and i drive a 89 mirage turbo flat six.