The DSM/EVO Shootout, the community and Buschur Racing
WOW thats all i can say lol this thread is getting extremely long. I hear what your saying about hurting the evo community. I also agree go to the event that is local to you. Here is my take on this after reading all of this to this point. You guys are only talking about regulars that you always see at one of these events. What about people LIKE ME. I just got my evo in july. My first turbo charged car now im building it as i go. I have never been to any of the evo track events. So i was planning on going to one with Mellon most likely and watch this year unless i can get all these parts on my car. Which one do i go to?? DO I take Al Mike Br word that the event is cool. Or do i look at TTP TT AMS that there event is cool?? All this does is give US NEW COMERS no chance to experience both events for the first time. NOT TO MENTION some of US have to DRIVE A VERY LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG WAY to make either of these events. Thats a nice little drive for me so i would be pissed to put miles on my evo to come to a event that was not packed and felt like it was dead. You also have to understand i see the point of putting it on the same day. Main reason is people like me work for companies that could give two ***** about racing. I work for ATT im a dsl tech and getting time off is very hard. So many folks service going down etc. The lines are not gonna fix themselves so i have to be very selective on using my PDO vac time. Chances are if i take off some time for something and it gets rained out im not coming back later that year. Im not gonna make two extremely long drives to a event every year. So knowing all this it seems like the best choice is to GO TO NEITHER AT ALL PERIOD. Folks like myself that never been to one the choice is easy im not a fan boy of any company i dont side with anybody. Only thing i know is there has only been Two vendors on here that have talked to me and responded when i asked a question. Not nasty just plain trying to help. People like myself read these comments and decide not to buy parts because if it but i would have to have a bad experience with the vendor to decide not to buy from them. So when you vendors are fighting each other trying to battle for intergalactic dominance think about us new comers and how ALL new enthusiast are pecieving Your company. You would think with this bad econmony and people loosing there jobs by the second you vendors would be HUMBLE after all our money could be your money all your going to do is end up out of business eventually.
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you cannot compare RWD domestics.. In the Import world we are on the same playing field as far as i am concerned cause were are both AWD.. I think I proved last year at 782whp you can be quicker than 4 digit HP cars.. So the big block Evos didnt prove to be much quicker.. You feel where i am coming from?? Of course ill be running a big block evo later on this year and I expect it to run as it should.. Will be a few months before i am ready..
Mike
Mike
^^Agreed. Pinks is a joke. its like a bunch of litle girls *****ing bc they got beat. pinks all out is about the only decent one.
Rockman, you should come to the shooutout. After the bumper deal it would be nice to meet you in person, and I promise you will have a great time. Last year was my first shootout that i raced in, only 2nd one Id been to and it was WELL WORTH IT! Been planning the return trip since I left!
Rockman, you should come to the shooutout. After the bumper deal it would be nice to meet you in person, and I promise you will have a great time. Last year was my first shootout that i raced in, only 2nd one Id been to and it was WELL WORTH IT! Been planning the return trip since I left!
My experiences with the Turbo Trixs Mitsubishi Day
2003 - Ran a low 12 out of the box with a AFC, 50 shot and stock cams and clutch and made it to second place in eliminations - loosing to Ricardo Bailey of Top Level in the final driving his DSM
2004 - First year of the true Evo only heads up class - got my 11 second cage installed and was running a HKS 3076 Turbo in the low 10 second range - I won the heads up race
2005 - a Q16 was started and once again Big Al's Evo - now powered by a AMS Gt35 turbo kit and in the very low 10's and high 9's was the victor
I guess what I am trying to say to you guys is that the NJ event is by no means a new event. I have been there, done that, did it. Its no DSM Shootout - but it is a really fun day and certainly I would like to return again this year to try to add to my trophy collection
Al
2003 - Ran a low 12 out of the box with a AFC, 50 shot and stock cams and clutch and made it to second place in eliminations - loosing to Ricardo Bailey of Top Level in the final driving his DSM
2004 - First year of the true Evo only heads up class - got my 11 second cage installed and was running a HKS 3076 Turbo in the low 10 second range - I won the heads up race
2005 - a Q16 was started and once again Big Al's Evo - now powered by a AMS Gt35 turbo kit and in the very low 10's and high 9's was the victor
I guess what I am trying to say to you guys is that the NJ event is by no means a new event. I have been there, done that, did it. Its no DSM Shootout - but it is a really fun day and certainly I would like to return again this year to try to add to my trophy collection
Al
your a ****ing dush bag for bringing him up in here when you clearly have no clue what actually happened. it was a very sad day in deed. get the facts right about a mans death before you post. if he had a chance to stop i would then agree with you. but he had no chance.
Last edited by EvoDan2004; Mar 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM.
evodan, nothing against you or anything, but you cant prove he was knocked out when the explosion happened. It was more of his shoot was burnt up before it even deployed.
Either way, that post was unneccesary, but no one knows for sure when/how he died. Wether it be from the explosion or the impact at the end.
Either way, that post was unneccesary, but no one knows for sure when/how he died. Wether it be from the explosion or the impact at the end.
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Not to stray further off topic, or to disagree with anyone merely for the sake of it, but here:
http://www.njsp.org/news/pr091708.html
State Police Fatal Accident Unit Releases Findings on Drag Strip Crash that Claimed Life of Scott Kalitta
West Trenton, N.J. - The New Jersey State Police has concluded its investigation of the motor vehicle racing crash that claimed the life of NHRA Top Fuel Funny Car driver Scott Kalitta. The crash happened on June 21, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. during the Lucas Oil NHRA SuperNational drag racing event at Old Bridge Township Raceway Park.
The NJSP Fatal Accident Investigation Unit has provided the following description of the crash: Scott Kalitta occupied the right lane in a 1/4-mile (qualifying) drag race against opponent Tony Bartone and was operating a 2008 Toyota Solara Top Fuel Funny Car. Shortly after the race began, Bartone’s vehicle experienced an equipment failure and its speed slowed substantially. Moments later, Kalitta’s vehicle experienced a catastrophic mechanical failure resulting in a fuel-fired explosion prior to the quarter-mile finish line. Kalitta’s vehicle crossed the 1/4 mile mark 0.716 seconds later, at a speed of 300.73 MPH. At the time of the explosion, the rear portion of the vehicle’s fiberglass body separated from the vehicle causing deployment of the damaged parachute system.
Evidence discovered in Kalitta’s lane revealed that he had applied mechanical braking and maintained steering control of the vehicle throughout the 2235-foot-long “shutdown” portion of the racetrack. Post crash examination of the vehicle further revealed the clutch system to be locked, maintaining engine power to the rear wheels. Witnesses and audio recordings reveal the vehicle’s engine firing throughout the shutdown portion of the racetrack, which further reinforced the fact that the vehicle’s engine was still providing power for some period of time.
The vehicle continued from the point of engine failure to the end of the racetrack (approx. 2300') on fire over the course of approximately 7.07 seconds. Upon reaching the end of the paved racetrack, Kalitta’s vehicle entered a “run-off” area constructed of pea gravel at a speed of approximately 125 mph and was positioned near the center of the racetrack’s right lane. As Kalitta’s racecar entered the “run-off” area, the front of the vehicle appeared to pitch upward, allowing air under the vehicle’s fiberglass nose resulting in its separation from the chassis. Over the course of the following .5-second, the vehicle took flight and traveled toward the right side of the run-off area and over the western concrete retaining wall. Immediately thereafter, the vehicle impacted a steel post that supported the right side of a cargo net which was in place to stop race vehicles from passing this area of the racetrack. This impact was specific to the right side of the vehicle and caused separation of the right front suspension components and damage to the right side engine exhaust system. The vehicle continued forward and impacted a piece of heavy equipment (JLG model 600S telescopic boom lift vehicle with a specified (dry) weight of 22,750 pounds), which was positioned outside the “run-off” area by the ESPN television crew. This impact caused catastrophic damage to the vehicle and additional separation of chassis components and the vehicle’s engine. Beyond the boom lift vehicle, a Chevrolet van and a Suzuki Ozark ATV, which were also positioned by ESPN television crew, were damaged by collision debris. The largest portion of the race vehicle came to rest in a grassy area 250' south of the shutdown area and 153' from the initial pole impact. Scott Kalitta was contained in this portion of the race vehicle and had sustained fatal blunt force injuries. A review of information provided by Delphi, which was recorded by accelerometers, mounted to the Kalitta vehicle revealed multiple impacts producing over 100G, with some approaching or exceeding 200G. No information was obtained from the RacePac data recorder installed in the Kalitta vehicle. Post mortem examination confirmed that Scott Kalitta’s death was caused by multiple blunt trauma injuries.
The New Jersey State Police Fatal Accident Investigation Unit has identified the following items to be noteworthy or contributory in the occurrence of this incident:
Engine Failure
The stimulus behind the sequence of events leading to the death of Scott Kalitta was a massive failure of the vehicle’s engine. Although not uncommon in Top Fuel drag racing, the exact diagnosis and chronological succession of the engine failure in this incident was beyond the scope of the State Police investigation. After post-crash inspection of Kalitta’s vehicle components by the NJSP, the vehicle was turned over to the NHRA and, ultimately Kalitta Motorsports.
Fuel Flow Interruption
After failure of the engine in the Kalitta vehicle, a fire ensued which survived for more than seven seconds, throughout the crash sequence. Additionally, fuel continued to be fed to the engine, either residually or via remaining fuel routing from the fuel tank. This engine power handicapped the capability of the mechanical brake system. Had the driver been rendered unconscious or temporarily unable to apply mechanical braking after the engine explosion and parachute failure, the vehicle’s deceleration over the next ˝ mile would have been minimal.
Insufficient Braking
Despite approx. 1832’ of intermittent tire marks to indicate the functionality of all four brake systems, the vehicle’s speed was reduced slightly over 50% in the last ˝ mile of the racetrack. The initial engine explosion and loss of body components, deployment and minimal expansion of the parachute system as well as the vehicle’s suspension system and tire pressure and composition may have contributed to a loss of tire contact, which made braking partially ineffective. Additionally, the clutch system was found to be locked which maintained engine power to the rear wheels.
Insufficient Auxiliary Braking (parachute failure)
The vehicle’s parachute system was deployed (but did not blossom) at the time of the explosion when the rear portion of the vehicle’s fiberglass body separated. Post crash inspection revealed substantial damage to the parachute system. This damage included tearing, burning, and tangling assumed to be caused by the engine explosion, ensuing fire, body separation, and spoilage of air over the remaining vehicle chassis, and high speed ground contact.
Driver Toxicology
Post mortem toxicological analysis of blood obtained from Scott Kalitta during his autopsy revealed the presence of Ethanol at a level of 23 mg/dL. This level converts to a BAC percentage of .02% BAC. This level, 25% of the legal limit for intoxication in the State of New Jersey, remains in violation of NHRA rules (Section 1.7, I., B.1.) as well as N.J.S.A. Title 13 Chapter 62 New Jersey State Motor Vehicle Racetrack Regulations.
Fixed Object Impacts
Upon entering the “run-off” area and impacting the pea gravel, Kalitta’s race vehicle took flight at a speed of approximately 125 MPH. The vehicle sailed over the western retaining wall and its right front tire rubbed the concrete wall before the vehicle impacted the western “catch net” support post. This (8.5" diameter x 7' high) hollow steel post was protected on its northern and southern sides by the concrete barrier by its position within the barrier, but extended above the wall with no attenuation.
After impact with the cargo net support pole, the Kalitta vehicle continued 15' from the pole impact before impacting the cast iron counterbalance portion of an aerial boom lift vehicle, which was in place to position a remote television camera over the center of the racetrack. As the impact continued, the Kalitta vehicle made multiple impacts with this 23,000 lb. vehicle and its extended boom component.
The New Jersey State Police Fatal Accident Investigation Unit, as the sole agency with responsibility to regulate the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Racetrack Regulations (N.J.S.A. 13:62) has concluded this investigation and has forwarded all reports to the Office of the Middlesex County Prosecutor for review. After this review, further safety recommendations will be discussed between the NJSP, the NHRA, and all three of New Jersey’s licensed 1/4-mile (drag racing) racetracks.
actually it had nothing to do with stopping distance. i was there. the car blew up before the 1000 foot mark. scott was knocked out. the safety shoot did not deploy when the body came off the car. . he could not stop the car if he had 1 mile to shut down. he was knocked out and hit the corner of the concrete wall at 270+mph.
your a ****ing dush bag for bringing him up in here when you clearly have no clue what actually happened. it was a very sad day in deed. get the facts right about a mans death before you post. if he had a chance to stop i would then agree with you. but he had no chance.
your a ****ing dush bag for bringing him up in here when you clearly have no clue what actually happened. it was a very sad day in deed. get the facts right about a mans death before you post. if he had a chance to stop i would then agree with you. but he had no chance.
evodan, nothing against you or anything, but you cant prove he was knocked out when the explosion happened. It was more of his shoot was burnt up before it even deployed.
Either way, that post was unneccesary, but no one knows for sure when/how he died. Wether it be from the explosion or the impact at the end.
Either way, that post was unneccesary, but no one knows for sure when/how he died. Wether it be from the explosion or the impact at the end.
http://www.njsp.org/news/pr091708.html
State Police Fatal Accident Unit Releases Findings on Drag Strip Crash that Claimed Life of Scott Kalitta
West Trenton, N.J. - The New Jersey State Police has concluded its investigation of the motor vehicle racing crash that claimed the life of NHRA Top Fuel Funny Car driver Scott Kalitta. The crash happened on June 21, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. during the Lucas Oil NHRA SuperNational drag racing event at Old Bridge Township Raceway Park.
The NJSP Fatal Accident Investigation Unit has provided the following description of the crash: Scott Kalitta occupied the right lane in a 1/4-mile (qualifying) drag race against opponent Tony Bartone and was operating a 2008 Toyota Solara Top Fuel Funny Car. Shortly after the race began, Bartone’s vehicle experienced an equipment failure and its speed slowed substantially. Moments later, Kalitta’s vehicle experienced a catastrophic mechanical failure resulting in a fuel-fired explosion prior to the quarter-mile finish line. Kalitta’s vehicle crossed the 1/4 mile mark 0.716 seconds later, at a speed of 300.73 MPH. At the time of the explosion, the rear portion of the vehicle’s fiberglass body separated from the vehicle causing deployment of the damaged parachute system.
Evidence discovered in Kalitta’s lane revealed that he had applied mechanical braking and maintained steering control of the vehicle throughout the 2235-foot-long “shutdown” portion of the racetrack. Post crash examination of the vehicle further revealed the clutch system to be locked, maintaining engine power to the rear wheels. Witnesses and audio recordings reveal the vehicle’s engine firing throughout the shutdown portion of the racetrack, which further reinforced the fact that the vehicle’s engine was still providing power for some period of time.
The vehicle continued from the point of engine failure to the end of the racetrack (approx. 2300') on fire over the course of approximately 7.07 seconds. Upon reaching the end of the paved racetrack, Kalitta’s vehicle entered a “run-off” area constructed of pea gravel at a speed of approximately 125 mph and was positioned near the center of the racetrack’s right lane. As Kalitta’s racecar entered the “run-off” area, the front of the vehicle appeared to pitch upward, allowing air under the vehicle’s fiberglass nose resulting in its separation from the chassis. Over the course of the following .5-second, the vehicle took flight and traveled toward the right side of the run-off area and over the western concrete retaining wall. Immediately thereafter, the vehicle impacted a steel post that supported the right side of a cargo net which was in place to stop race vehicles from passing this area of the racetrack. This impact was specific to the right side of the vehicle and caused separation of the right front suspension components and damage to the right side engine exhaust system. The vehicle continued forward and impacted a piece of heavy equipment (JLG model 600S telescopic boom lift vehicle with a specified (dry) weight of 22,750 pounds), which was positioned outside the “run-off” area by the ESPN television crew. This impact caused catastrophic damage to the vehicle and additional separation of chassis components and the vehicle’s engine. Beyond the boom lift vehicle, a Chevrolet van and a Suzuki Ozark ATV, which were also positioned by ESPN television crew, were damaged by collision debris. The largest portion of the race vehicle came to rest in a grassy area 250' south of the shutdown area and 153' from the initial pole impact. Scott Kalitta was contained in this portion of the race vehicle and had sustained fatal blunt force injuries. A review of information provided by Delphi, which was recorded by accelerometers, mounted to the Kalitta vehicle revealed multiple impacts producing over 100G, with some approaching or exceeding 200G. No information was obtained from the RacePac data recorder installed in the Kalitta vehicle. Post mortem examination confirmed that Scott Kalitta’s death was caused by multiple blunt trauma injuries.
The New Jersey State Police Fatal Accident Investigation Unit has identified the following items to be noteworthy or contributory in the occurrence of this incident:
Engine Failure
The stimulus behind the sequence of events leading to the death of Scott Kalitta was a massive failure of the vehicle’s engine. Although not uncommon in Top Fuel drag racing, the exact diagnosis and chronological succession of the engine failure in this incident was beyond the scope of the State Police investigation. After post-crash inspection of Kalitta’s vehicle components by the NJSP, the vehicle was turned over to the NHRA and, ultimately Kalitta Motorsports.
Fuel Flow Interruption
After failure of the engine in the Kalitta vehicle, a fire ensued which survived for more than seven seconds, throughout the crash sequence. Additionally, fuel continued to be fed to the engine, either residually or via remaining fuel routing from the fuel tank. This engine power handicapped the capability of the mechanical brake system. Had the driver been rendered unconscious or temporarily unable to apply mechanical braking after the engine explosion and parachute failure, the vehicle’s deceleration over the next ˝ mile would have been minimal.
Insufficient Braking
Despite approx. 1832’ of intermittent tire marks to indicate the functionality of all four brake systems, the vehicle’s speed was reduced slightly over 50% in the last ˝ mile of the racetrack. The initial engine explosion and loss of body components, deployment and minimal expansion of the parachute system as well as the vehicle’s suspension system and tire pressure and composition may have contributed to a loss of tire contact, which made braking partially ineffective. Additionally, the clutch system was found to be locked which maintained engine power to the rear wheels.
Insufficient Auxiliary Braking (parachute failure)
The vehicle’s parachute system was deployed (but did not blossom) at the time of the explosion when the rear portion of the vehicle’s fiberglass body separated. Post crash inspection revealed substantial damage to the parachute system. This damage included tearing, burning, and tangling assumed to be caused by the engine explosion, ensuing fire, body separation, and spoilage of air over the remaining vehicle chassis, and high speed ground contact.
Driver Toxicology
Post mortem toxicological analysis of blood obtained from Scott Kalitta during his autopsy revealed the presence of Ethanol at a level of 23 mg/dL. This level converts to a BAC percentage of .02% BAC. This level, 25% of the legal limit for intoxication in the State of New Jersey, remains in violation of NHRA rules (Section 1.7, I., B.1.) as well as N.J.S.A. Title 13 Chapter 62 New Jersey State Motor Vehicle Racetrack Regulations.
Fixed Object Impacts
Upon entering the “run-off” area and impacting the pea gravel, Kalitta’s race vehicle took flight at a speed of approximately 125 MPH. The vehicle sailed over the western retaining wall and its right front tire rubbed the concrete wall before the vehicle impacted the western “catch net” support post. This (8.5" diameter x 7' high) hollow steel post was protected on its northern and southern sides by the concrete barrier by its position within the barrier, but extended above the wall with no attenuation.
After impact with the cargo net support pole, the Kalitta vehicle continued 15' from the pole impact before impacting the cast iron counterbalance portion of an aerial boom lift vehicle, which was in place to position a remote television camera over the center of the racetrack. As the impact continued, the Kalitta vehicle made multiple impacts with this 23,000 lb. vehicle and its extended boom component.
The New Jersey State Police Fatal Accident Investigation Unit, as the sole agency with responsibility to regulate the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Racetrack Regulations (N.J.S.A. 13:62) has concluded this investigation and has forwarded all reports to the Office of the Middlesex County Prosecutor for review. After this review, further safety recommendations will be discussed between the NJSP, the NHRA, and all three of New Jersey’s licensed 1/4-mile (drag racing) racetracks.
This thread has taken a crap of epic proportions. Does not matter if you've skated the rules or not... it's the black heart of the matter. Esp with this last irreverent stray... I'm shutting this thread down as it saddens me to see all these grown children never growing up. Always bumping chests over things they generally don't even have personal knowledge of... then there are the vendors... Christ! You should be leading by example, yet fall right in with the rest of them. What the hell people? Where is your dignity? Where is the leadership?
Pathetic... utterly pathetic. All you guys should slink away and try and find some ounce maturity somewhere, anywhere within you... and to make matters worse, you that are suddenly aggravated at my words, or feel that with some sort of impunity that you've done no wrong, are generally the MOST GUILTY!
No one, I mean no one contact me on this matter, I will not listen. You may approach some other Moderator or Admin if you want this thread cleaned. However, DO NOT come to me as I don't believe most you guys even deserve a response... I'm freakin' embarrassed for the love of whatever god!
Pathetic... utterly pathetic. All you guys should slink away and try and find some ounce maturity somewhere, anywhere within you... and to make matters worse, you that are suddenly aggravated at my words, or feel that with some sort of impunity that you've done no wrong, are generally the MOST GUILTY!
No one, I mean no one contact me on this matter, I will not listen. You may approach some other Moderator or Admin if you want this thread cleaned. However, DO NOT come to me as I don't believe most you guys even deserve a response... I'm freakin' embarrassed for the love of whatever god!