Come on down to Cincy, bikes race cars all the time at the track, and on the street. wonder if the ticket for street racing is worse if you are racing a bike?

 

I can not watch the video at work, sorry.

My theory is not flawed. there are a lot of die hard SO guys in the NE area and I can not find 1 of them that went to the make up date who attended the original SO date.

Just because there were no races on the SO day does not change the fact that people still drove out there.

The point is how many people did not go to the make up which is just like having a 2nd event to go to.

Look at it this way Al, you follow Dave's shop and a lot of other people do too. Those people who choose to follow a shop and have an event will go to that event to support their vendor of choice and there is nothing wrong with that at all.

Now when Marco was banned, he also has a lot of people who use him for parts and support his business. When he could not go to the SO because he was banned, an alternative had to be made.

I am sorry you think it will divide the community, but the fact is that this community is ALREADY divided.

BTW, I do not have Dave at all. After thinking about it and what I have known over the last 9 years I have been involved in this community is I hate the out spoken people who like to hate on others who do not use Buschur product.

Your rampaging tactics to make other shops looks bad is a direct insult to Buschur. When you say TTP sucks, or AMS cars suck, (on other forums)you yourself are a representitive of Dave because you are so far up his *** along with a few choice others.

 

Thank you, this thread can now end with that statement No more need for fighting.

 

^^thats all great, but what about those of us interested in going to both events?

 

This is where the HATE you have takes over and logic and reason leaves you

If Marco wanted to do an alternative event with positive and community minded purposes there was no need to pick the same exact date

By choosing an alternative date it would have allowed him and those like minded folks to do their own thing and also guys like myself and others could have attended both events

I don't know what you mean by "rampaging tactics." Clearly, I am a dealer for Buschur Racing and I am sponsored by them so I like Buschur products. Its my opinion. Anyone can simple ignore my point of view or not listen to what I have to say.

Its bizzare to me that you attempt to justify the malicious act of scheduling a competing dsm event on the same date by trying to bring up bad actions of other non related individuals

TWO wrongs don't make a right

 

Dennis, I'd like to politely explain something.

In 2007 the weather report for the Shootout date was HORRIBLE from the start. We had a great turn out for the Dyno Day, at the time it was the largest ever, pretty incredible I'd say 500-700 people at our shop. The next day the rain started and never let up. So we have no idea what the turn out would have been, I believe there were a lot of people who didn't even attempt to come that year because of the horrible weather report. Sunday we never even drove to the track. In October when we did the re-schedule the turn out was actually pretty good for a fall event.

Here is something you have to keep in mind about the Shootout in Ohio. The event is massive. Even the racetrack says of all the events they do all year ours has the widest turn out of people from all over the country and WORLD. There are a lot of people who come here that plan their entire vacaction around this event. They take the week or two they have off from work and come to Ohio. His the multiple amusement parks/water parks within 30 miles of the track, dyno day, Shootout etc. If the event is then cancelled it is difficult for many of these people to make the drive back for a rain out. That is why since 2007 when it rained our we have implemented a rain date for Monday. I want to make sure the racers have the chance to stay and race and the spectators are able to stay and watch.

I do what I can to get it all right and after 18 years of practice it all runs pretty smooth.

This is part of the problem, the event runs very smoothly and the cars can be run through quickly. Some racers do not like that and complain of hot lapping. Personally, I love it like that. I've spent too many hours sweating my *** off at poorly run events waiting on my next run. Since it seems to be a issue for some we are NOT going to hot lap the car this year. I've already spoken to the track. The pace will be slowed down and if we run late in the evening then it is fine.

 

When people are consumed by hate, envy and jealousy they often don't consider other people's feelings or needs and can act in selfish ways that harm innocent people - this is the case with this situation

The fact that with the absence of several key shops from last year's DSM Shootout in Ohio it was still the largest and most fun ever was simply too much for others to take

Others who attended but had bad performances have been trying to stir up false claims that the race was rigged or run in an unfair manner

The classy, decent, and dignified way to have resolved this would have been for the guys in NJ to have worked harder and organized more to make their 6 year old event a better race and simply chose to NOT ATTEND the Buschur Race if they felt it was not a place they wanted to go

There WAS plenty of people to attend all these races

Instead, they chose the nasty and mean method to run their event on the same day - force everyone to pick and make a choice and threw some money at the situation to try and drum up more interest

In the end, everyone looses but the few lunatics who hate on Buschur so much they want to see his event fail

Honestly, after being in Ohio last year and seeing all the smiling faces and good friends of Buschur the reality is that the people who hate Buschur and his event are in the very small minority

Everyone who can should make the trek to Ohio, its a great place, a great track and a great event

Its a shame that it had to come down to this in the end, but the tough economic times are creating a lot of despiration and motivation for people to do things they otherwise would not do if business was good. This is yet another example.

Al

 

I really don't know how much more we can discuss and argue about all this.

Here is how I feel at this point, for those of you that care.

1. I pissed some people off.
2. They did a number of things to get back at me.
3. The scheduling of this event on the same day as the DSM/EVO Shootout was done to get back at me, BUT I AM HOPING THIS IS THE FINAL MOVE ON THEIR PART.
4. There is nothing that can be done about it at this point.
5. Both events are going to take place.
6. **** on it, there's no more sense in fighting about it, it's going to happen so the hell with it.

How's that?

I am done, everyone has heard all the sides of it. I'd love to discuss anything else, like if some of you are mad about something and want to send me a PM about it or say it here. I can't fix it if I don't know about it. Other than that, me complaining about an event on the same day as mine isn't going to go anywhere and it's pointless.

Let's move on.

 

For those who are interested, I am going to form a new WRX vs EVO shootout event to fall on a different date perhaps in June or July so it does not conflict with any other event

My goal is not financial gain - I could care less to make a dime

I simply want to see an event like the one I originally set up 6 years ago were regular guys with Evos and Subarus can come down and enjoy some AWD racing and share a day of fun an d have a good time

I will be working on this in the new couple of weeks and I welcome any assistance or support that any members or vendors wish to contribute. Please PM me to discuss details.

I will be sure to set this on a date that does not conflict with any existing Subaru or DSM or Import events so that it will be open to anyone who chooses to attend.

When life makes you lemons - make lemonaide

Al

 

Sounds like a plan - see you in August

 

I'm just in for more dredging up of old IRC #dsm chat drama.

 

Right back to the poor attitude already, so much for the reformed David.
You can presume to know how many tracks I've been to and you'd be wrong. I guess I just go to tracks that aren't in redneckville USA and have the common sense to realize that putting a bike in one lane and a car in the other is BAD idea.

Regardless of your differences of opinion, or differences in the safety rules of your local tracks that clearly conflict with national standards set by the major sanctioning body of drag racing, you continue to kill any credibility you're desperately trying to win back from people such as myself who were turned off by your poor attitude long ago with your childish preaching with lines like "give yourself a rest already". If your point was worth making, you wouldn't need to punctuate it with yet another attack.

 

I just have a question....Why do they require safety when you get to some of these power levels? I always thought this was to make the car safer..I have seen 9 second cars crash with no safety equipment and it was not a good outcome and have also seen top fuel dragsters crash at 300+ mph and walk away...This is do to safety equipment which is a very important thing....

 

The rainout was going to be my first Shootout ever lol, we came from Buffalo NY. No biggie though, we had friends that lived in Cleveland. Missed it last year, but I will be there this year for sure and I can not wait.

No matter what the drama, in the end we are like a 4g63 family!

 

We were just talking about this safety stuff in class yesterday. I am going to school for High Performance motorsports.

We believe that the NHRA will be changing many of its rules shortly, or modifying them for newer cars.

Most of the rules are formed around DRAG cars. NOT STREET CARS! A gutted, tin can that has half the structure removed needs the safety equipment. Also, the older muscle cars that many in the NHRA run areknown for one other item. Rust. Which also takes away from the structural safety of the cars.

There are 2 cars coming out in the next year that are 100% street legal and both will run under a 10.5 in showroom condition. The first one is the new Challenger DRAG package. Off the showroom floor it will run consistent 10.2s. The next one is the 2010 GT500, they claim low 10s, however my teach was at the track the day they were testing them and said with the sticker still on the window, it went 9.95 the first pass and 9.81 the second pass.

Many of the people looking to purchase these cars are already talking to the NHRA because they want to make passes in their car, however dont want to have to cage a BRAND NEW car they just bought.

So im pretty sure the NHRA will be updating many of their rules to where if it has the OEM safety features that it will have a different set of rules.

Also, try figuring out what will happen to you, your wife/gf, and kids heads when your driving your 10 second car on the street and grandma sideswipes you, your wifes head bounces off the cage and guess what, now your burrying your wife because of the cage.

So, I believe these rules will be changed.

Another thing. Norwalk is FAR from a redneckville race track. NHRA Nationals, NHRA Night Under Fire, and many other BIG NHRA races are held here. Tracks have different rules depending on the day.

go to Norwalk on a weekend race without the safety equipment and you will be asked to leave rather quickly. A Track Rental is completely different because the Racer assumes all liability for his decidions. the track is no longer responsible and because of this, they dont enforce the safety equipment rules, its no longer their problem. The racer has to worry about the outcome now.