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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 01:23 PM
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One last thing, I just calculated a legal roll cage for my RS. This would allow me to run legally. I over calculated the tubing length just so some of you can give it a rest with the "300 pounds of safety equipment garbage". Using 1.625 tubing for the entire cage and estimating it would take 42 feet of tubing, the entire roll cage would only weight 40.44 pounds.

The parachute I'm guessing weighs in at 15 pounds at most. Scatter shield and drive shaft loop, let's add another 10 pounds.

That's a grand total of 60.40 pounds to make the car completely up to spec.

Since it would then be a useless POS on the street I could pull the air bags, factory seat belts, exhaust, interior, carpet and door beams. That would let me remove another 150 pounds from the car. So I'd end up 90 pounds lighter.

Please, when you want to talk about such things, get a grip on reality and know some facts, please.

Even if the 60 pounds were added to the car in safety equipment and I didn't take the rest of the crap out that everyone else does, how much would that 60 pounds effect my times? You are talking hundreths of a second and tenths of a MPH.
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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jimmy that was a long time ago, Island Dragway. I got DRUNK there drinking long island ice tea. Good times back then. I wish Jeff was still the one running the company he worked so hard to build. I always liked him, a lot.
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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Damn that weekend was a good time. I remember almost no one showed up on Saturday because they couldn't find the track. That was the first day Paisley brought out his Supra.


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Hahahah... We showed up on Friday afternoon I think it was.. We drove by the track no less than 5 times, because they had not rolled the sign out yet.. Out of 22 dragstrips, one even being Santa Pod in England, I will never forget Island dragway.. Foot tall weeds in the staging lanes lol. Hell that was early in 99 and before the Conquest. We were just spectating... We showed up at the track and David was looking at us like what are these 2 18 year old kids from Cincinnati doin here. Never would of guessed that by the end of the year we would be racing in Pomona.. These cars have brought us a lot places and alot emotions in the last couple decades...
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 01:30 PM
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And yes... I think Paisleys Supra had a junkyard longblock in it still.... That was amazing how much power it would hold back then..
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 01:36 PM
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I keep hearing the Etown guys talk about safety safety safety. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Etown have a ridiculously short shut down that poses "a safety threat"
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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With the advancement of technology....both in power/speed and safety, NHRA and IHRA really need to revisit their safety rules. There are multiple vehicles out there that are not legal right off the showroom floor.
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 01:49 PM
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I keep hearing the Etown guys talk about safety safety safety. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Etown have a ridiculously short shut down that poses "a safety threat"
Not particularly... Maybe for a fuel car.. The accident last year at E town changed the design for sandtraps at national event track, but I do not think it was due to short shutdown area.


Ant Tim, that was the reason NHRA went from 11.99 on roll bars to 11.49 like IHRA. I believe it was because one of the vettes in the last few years.

Also Tim, I hav not seen you drunk anywhere recently. We must both be focusing on race season
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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Not particularly... Maybe for a fuel car.. The accident last year at E town changed the design for sandtraps at national event track, but I do not think it was due to short shutdown area.
I have heard a lot of 10 second guys complain that they had trouble slowing down in time, that's why I asked. Isn't a 10 second DSM without upgraded brakes is going to slow down a HECK of a lot slower than a chuted 8 second "race car".

I understand that they revised the sand area, but IIRC a road runs past the end of the track, not allowing them to extend it like it needs to be.

Believe me, I know it's a stretch, but so is criticizing 9 & 10 second street cars that are complete with air bags and crash beams.
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
jimmy that was a long time ago, Island Dragway. I got DRUNK there drinking long island ice tea. Good times back then. I wish Jeff was still the one running the company he worked so hard to build. I always liked him, a lot.
Indeed.. I think some of the locals that are floating around this place will tell you how proud I am of being able to be around for those days.

Originally Posted by 2highpsi
I have heard a lot of 10 second guys complain that they had trouble slowing down in time, that's why I asked. Isn't a 10 second DSM without upgraded brakes is going to slow down a HECK of a lot slower than a chuted 8 second "race car".

I understand that they revised the sand area, but IIRC a road runs past the end of the track, not allowing them to extend it like it needs to be.

Believe me, I know it's a stretch, but so is criticizing 9 & 10 second street cars that are complete with air bags and crash beams.
You might be right... I thougth it was just about the concrete wall at the end... Sorry for the off topic
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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Good point. I kind of think most of these NHRA rules were written with the mindset of protecting guys and girls who drive old 60's, 70's and early 80's drag buckets. Most of which came standard with no airbags, some with just lap belts, all with basically stone age safety tech in comparison to today's cars with crumple zones, airbags, ABS, Mitsu's with RISE chassis, etc etc. Those older cars have to have cages, especially since their owners typically cut them out to save weight - newer ones maybe not so much.
All the NHRA rules are outdated and in fact I feel more at risk in a car with a full cage than in a stock evo.
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 02:17 PM
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Now how can anyone tell me that racing a car with seat belts, helmet, long pants, long sleeved shirt, steel all around you, air bags and door beams be less safe than that? The answer is you can not.

F=MV.

A car hurtling towards a wall has a much different outcome than a bike.

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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 2highpsi
I keep hearing the Etown guys talk about safety safety safety. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Etown have a ridiculously short shut down that poses "a safety threat"
E'town and Ohio are both world class racing facilities

Please lets not go there and demean any of these fine facilities

The bottom line is my only issue is that the anti Buschur guys purposely picked a conflicting date to try and tear apart the comunity - in order to advance their own egos

PS - I will note that the track prep at the Ohio Shootout is just as good as any NHRA national event - he spares no expense on track prep

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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 2highpsi
I have heard a lot of 10 second guys complain that they had trouble slowing down in time, that's why I asked. Isn't a 10 second DSM without upgraded brakes is going to slow down a HECK of a lot slower than a chuted 8 second "race car".

I understand that they revised the sand area, but IIRC a road runs past the end of the track, not allowing them to extend it like it needs to be.

Believe me, I know it's a stretch, but so is criticizing 9 & 10 second street cars that are complete with air bags and crash beams.
The shut down area at E-town is fine. I have never had a problem stopping either my 1G or the Evo there. 160+ mph without pulling the chute on stock 2G brakes and the car stops fine.


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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 02:34 PM
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All this talk about splitting the community and only being able to run 1 event.....

How many people who went to the 07 SO went to the make up day?
Old Mar 4, 2009 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
The shut down area at E-town is fine. I have never had a problem stopping either my 1G or the Evo there. 160+ mph without pulling the chute on stock 2G brakes and the car stops fine.
I don't honestly believe the shut down is a problem. I have however heard people complain about it. I am not trying to demean the track, or their regards towards safety. I was trying to prove a point that it is just as ridiculous of a gripe as the people that complain about the fast street cars not being caged.



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