Who is this TurboTrix you all are speaking of?????

Must not be that important if I have never heard of them

 

I support both camps and I am torn on this one. I know I saw the TT crew at the 2008 BR Shootout but I havent seen BR go out and race outside of OH in over 6 years. I miss the good ole days...
In the end I think that people that dont normally go to the shootout will go to E-town and vice versa. It DOES hurt those that would of gone to both, which brings me to my original point that support of events goes both ways.

 

Love that nostalgia Petey!!!! Miss that ****

 

Ok - so now we are getting somewhere - finally

What you are saying is that the organizers of the NJ event have a personal beef with David Buschur and just don't want to deal with him

So in furtherance of this beef they want to turn the whole racing scene into a cluster **** this year

I can understand sonmeone who may not like a particular vendor and not wanting to come or feel welcome at another event, thats personal preference.

I hope you and everyone else reading this understands that the NJ event has been going on for 6 years now and that many of these same other facilities such as AMS, TT, Pruven. Big Valley and myself have already attended in past years.

What is new this year is the idea of moving it on the same date as the DSM Shootout in Ohio.

Can't you understand the damage to the "community" and the sport of racing that is done by combining the 3 big yearly events to race Evos and moving them all to one day ?

At some point you have to ask yourself does the end justify the means?

You talk of "reputation, the community, or your potential customer base" what about the comnunity and reputation of the guys who acted to set up another race on the same day ?

Al

 

David, great post. I personally do my best NOT to get involved with this kind of stuff. It happens even around here in MA with people saying don't go to such and such shop because so and so had a bad experience. Whatever. I go where I feel comfortable.

I don't run one specific part on my car. Hell I've only got bolt ons. But I just don't understand this whole beef. It sucks beause in the end we are all car guys.

I am hoping to make it to the shootout this year. It'll be my first one. I don't know if I will run at all or just observe and drool.

 

Thanks for all the input. I'm still reading but don't have much in ways of responses.

My attitude hasn't changed from the first post. I have a new attitude and am backing off on the fighting argueing, no matter what I really want to say or do.

The question that has been asked by many and avoided by all the concerned parties is simple.

"Why would anyone schedule the Subi VS Mitsu event on the exact same day as the 17th Annual DSM/EVO Shootout?" It's been asked hundreds of times in the last week on probably a hundred forums. The question has not been answered and it's obvious why. As soon as the parties responsible admit to not caring about anything other than themselves and trying to effect me they will finally be seen as the malicious people they are and lose their nice guy image.

This is certainly not the first time this type of thing has happened. Bad things were exposed, the only person who responded to questions was me at that time too and the rest of the involved parties have been left off the hook ignoring questions and refusing to answer.

I'd like to address me not attending ANY other races, not just the Subi vs Mitsu event. It is not for lack of support of the event, if anything I'd have loved to support it as it was previously put together by my good friend Al. Here is the bottom line. I do not drive at all drag racing anymore. I suck at it and don't put a retard in the drivers seat, which would be me My brother drives our black EVO, he refuses to go out of state with the car, he doesn't care to spend the weekend on the road. I would have gladly gone to the events with my RS and raced but knew I'd be thrown out as soon as it made the first pass as it has no cage in it. The one event I do run is the Winged Warrior Event and I do actually drive at that event as of last year. It's a blast and by running our EVOX I could compete without breaking the rules at the track. The year before last we ran the RS and we were thrown out after setting the quickest and fastest times of the day, still won but were tossed out. Good times right there, haha.

That is why I haven't attended the New Jersey event in the past. This year it could have been a different story since the black car, if ever back on the race track, will have a new driver and with my plans to run the mile in my RS it may have a cage in it finally.

Have a great day.

 

Okay this bothers me. All you are saying is that these "lots of people" simply want to ruin things for everyone else. There are people who don't share this beef and would like to go to two events. Also those that don't get to attend would at least want to see coverage of an event that reaches its max potential. Why have a Mitsu vs Subaru event if some of the top guns can't/won't be there? IT wouldn't be an accurate representation of what our camp has to offer. Big sporting events do their best to not compete with each other on tv air times all the time. You wouldn't want Lebron, or whoever basketplayer you think is good to have to choose bewteen an NBA championship game or going to the Olympics on the Dream Team. It seems like when a lot of money is at stake, the people who are smart enough will realize what to do to make sure everybody gets paid. The people who have their beef can still boycott the event of their choice if that's what they want, but don't ruin it for everybody else with selfish destructive decisions.

 

We don't even need to bringout the "big guns" to give the subaru something to aspire to, even so I guarantee you there will be tons of 9 and a handfull of 8 second egos at etown.

Don't look at dave like lebron but more like redman, he has the skills, he has the talent, but he just can't quite hold together the little things that complete the package... If lebron talked smack to Kobe and KG for years, in front of the media, would they go out of their way to attend his house party?

Hell no.

Scorke

 

... I hope this is true, but lets not assume things like this....

While it may or may not be true, to state it's obvious and go from there presenting it as fact is where you're going wrong here David. People read this as negative.

I have raced MX for over 20 years (god i feel old when I say that). Mostly in the Northwest that you love so much. Back in the late 70's two guys started what is known as the best motocross track in the nation... Washougal National MX Park. Great track. Well in the mid 80s Ralph Huffman bought out / squeezed out Bob Leech. This left a bit of bitterness between the two. Nothing extravagant though. Bob owned two other tracks in Oregon (Albany and Salem). For a long time all the tracks up here were sanctioned by Motocross Northwest. Well Bob wanted to make more money and decided to go with CMC. CMC offered bigger national events that he didn't have before. This forced Bob to have some of his race dates on the same day the Washougal already had posted theirs.

Long story short, this erupted a HUGE split between northwest racers. Half went to Washougal, half went to CMC. Well somehow a war was started. Ralph took it as an insult that Bob had dates on his dates, and Bob took it as an insult that Ralph refused to budge those dates.

Point is, there are a million factors of the ETown dates. Facility usage, permits from the city, best time of the year for attractions in that town, etc, etc. The same thing is happening here. The evo drivers are being polarized over this, and I think it could have been as simple as a phone call. Give a little, take a little. When this was first realized David and Co should have called the organized for ETown and worked something out before it got dragged out this far. You'd be surprised what a simple phone call can accomplish between enemies.... if it really was that bad.

 

I'm not. Its just an analogy. I am sure there will be other big name cars that will have to choose one event over the other. That's my point. Think of it as a team having to choose one championship over the other.

 

My point is that no matter who sponsors your car, no matter who your friends are no matter which side of this constant fracture through our community you side on when its race day in the past we have all come together, shaked hands, acted as gentelmen and held races together as fellow DSM hobbiests, time and time again.

I am just as happy to to go a Turbo Trixs sponsored event as an AMS event or even a TTP event. I don't care who is the sponsor, all I care aboit is the opportunity to race and the time shared with fellow racers.

People need to understand that our sport is under attack by many forces, complaining track neighbors who don't like noise, hard economic times, nagging wives (for those who are married), and DEMINISHED INTEREST by the general public in Import Drag Racing. It does not take a genious to realize that with the NHRA and NOPI going out of the sport compact race buiness and major magazines which previously covered these events like Turbo Magazine going out of business the climate is very bad for this sport.

A very tiny bright spot has been several of the grass roots events scattered throughout the US such as the Waterfest at Old Bridge and the DSM Shootout which have enjoyed growing attendance in the past few years.

Those who are reading my ramblings on this subject will soon figure out that I am frankly totally pissed off at the turn of events to set up all the races on the same day. I feel it is a totally irresponsible act which threatens to cause a lot of harm to what is left of the import racing scene.

Those who you who enjoy the opportunity to go to import race events should ask yourself seriously how this turn of events benefits our sport.

The way things are going we wont have a sport left in a few short years.

Al

 

[QUOTE=migs647;6767287The evo drivers are being polarized over this, and I think it could have been as simple as a phone call. Give a little, take a little. When this was first realized David and Co should have called the organized for ETown and worked something out before it got dragged out this far. You'd be surprised what a simple phone call can accomplish between enemies.... if it really was that bad.[/QUOTE]

I called Raceway Park several weeks ago

I think David should just post all the garbage from Team NABR so the members here can see the truth

 

I love you Dave!! (Don't know you as well Al) You have been my inspiration, always have been. I think I had the "**** Stash" first though! LOL. Lets not argue, Shiv might jump in, then all hell's gonna break loose!

 

Dave,

I will gladly stay out of your thread. I am going to add this last thing. I only posted because one of your associates, as usual, kept making comments. None of my comments were directed toward you. As DSSA said, I have not said anything on the internet that I would not say to you in person or that I have not said in the past on Evo M or any other forum. Just like you I am not scared to voice my opinion. Its not that I don't have any respect for what you have done in the industry, its your attitude and the way you speak of our shop I have a problem with. You have been badmouthing us since we built our Evo. EVERYONE that knows me will tell you that I am a stand up guy. Do what you want with those posts that you cut and pasted. Try to paint a picture of me being a bad guy, that is fine with me. I will sleep soundly at night knowing that my actions in the past, present, and future will show that I am what I am. A stand up, nice guy, that would go out of his way to help his friends and fellow DSMr's. I will be putting up my own post explaining why we are having our event.


Keith

 

And you guys have not gone on Pinks yet or settled this by creating a shoot-up between just shops(not just the two of yours) yet to settle all this going back and forth yet why? Im from LA and all we have out here is dam Hondas and never once would you ever head of this happening. I know there is an economic difference between the people who own Evo's and Hondas but not once would you ever see any of this happening out here. You own a Honda your family no matter where you go. Track, street, or even at a red light. Why not stop the b*tching already and either put up or shut up. I have not bought anything from either shops but because of these forums I contacted Dave and I might have been the odd one but he was completely helpful in helping make sure i don't over build my evo/clispe( don't know which yet) project car. I explained that being in military it would be in a couple of months after i get out of boot and still he was helpful. I rarely post as you can see by how long I've been signed up with this site and the only handful of post I've done but this I needed to comment on.