Lancer Evolution RS Thread [MEGA MERGE]
Originally posted by meisnerboy
Sorry but no.
Mitsubishi is in the business to sell and market cars not build race cars.
IF the RS was meant to be a race car...
Why not remove all US imposed crash bracing and reduce weight to WRC spec (around 2600lbs)?
Why does it have a back seat?
Why does it have a passanger seat?
Why does it have rear windows?
Why CAN you register it and drive it on the street?
Why does it have a cat?
Why doesn't it have a roll cage?
Why does it have airbags?
Why does it have a heater?
Shall I go on or are you getting my point?
The point is that any car which will be a hybrid car (street and track) will need an ac and radio. Even Al's 600hp evo still has an ac. He brags about getting an 11.6 and then riding home with the ac blasting (meaning he didn't need crappy underdrive pulleys like he did in his wrx).
Don't you think that any car which is not a trailer queen will need a radio and ac? Don't you see this is a gimmick? The RS may not be new and the concept is not either. It is called marketing hype.
The MR car may be another story though. We'll have to see it's cost if and when it becomes available.
Sorry but no.
Mitsubishi is in the business to sell and market cars not build race cars.
IF the RS was meant to be a race car...
Why not remove all US imposed crash bracing and reduce weight to WRC spec (around 2600lbs)?
Why does it have a back seat?
Why does it have a passanger seat?
Why does it have rear windows?
Why CAN you register it and drive it on the street?
Why does it have a cat?
Why doesn't it have a roll cage?
Why does it have airbags?
Why does it have a heater?
Shall I go on or are you getting my point?
The point is that any car which will be a hybrid car (street and track) will need an ac and radio. Even Al's 600hp evo still has an ac. He brags about getting an 11.6 and then riding home with the ac blasting (meaning he didn't need crappy underdrive pulleys like he did in his wrx).
Don't you think that any car which is not a trailer queen will need a radio and ac? Don't you see this is a gimmick? The RS may not be new and the concept is not either. It is called marketing hype.
The MR car may be another story though. We'll have to see it's cost if and when it becomes available.
It doesn't come with anything because people who plan to build a race car with it want options - they want to be able to cutsomize the thing. People who buy RS's will NOT keep them stock! They will tear them apart inside out and to their liking.
The back seat can be removed. The passenger seat can be removed (though the WRC car has a passenger seat for obvious reasons). Why does the WRC car have rear windows?
Everything else can be removed. And I'm sure the heater is probably nothing more than directing heat from the engine bay into the cabin. It does not require a compressor and unit like the AC does.
As for everything else - you're just nitpicking, really. Rollcage isn't installed because users will want a choice of what kind of cage to install.
The point is, the RS is a far better base for being a race car than our USDM "RSII". With 150 lbs off straight from the offset, you're that much closer to becoming a full out race car. If Mitsubishi were to sell the car as a "race car" in the sense of LeMans, WRC, or JGTC cars, you'd be paying up the wazoo for it, not to mention you'd be losing customizability. For people who want a weekend warrior for autox or road racing, this is it. There really is nothing to lose with the RS package. It's cheaper, plus gets rid of stuff you'd eventually get rid of anyway. This is their target market - not for the guy who wants a "fast car" that can be daily driver.
EDIT: I'm sure the Puma/Advan Evo's started as a RS and were stripped and rebuilt. Especially in the case of JGTC cars, most were stripped and rebuilt. These aren't cars that are built for racing from scratch..
Last edited by zstryder; Nov 7, 2003 at 11:43 AM.
Why does people keep saying it's 90lbs... it isn't it 146lbs??
The 146 lbs figure should be based on standard EVO w/o sunroof
right... else sunroof should be one of the items that
gets "triimmed" below...
The 146 lbs figure should be based on standard EVO w/o sunroof
right... else sunroof should be one of the items that
gets "triimmed" below...
Mitsubishi trimmed 146 pounds of “nonessential” items from its already-stellar Lancer Evolution for even more performance. Those items include the wing; HID lights (replaced with halogens); rear wiper; air conditioning; ABS; power motors for the windows, doors, locks and side mirrors; the entire audio system; trim in the trunk; vanity mirrors; rear assist grips; map lights; lots of sound-deadening material and even that little piece of leather wrapping that goes around the parking brake lever.
Then it added a helical limited-slip differential to replace the Evolution’s open diff, a crossbar over the spare tire hole in the trunk, and a strut tower brace in front.
Then it added a helical limited-slip differential to replace the Evolution’s open diff, a crossbar over the spare tire hole in the trunk, and a strut tower brace in front.
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I think this is a GREAT THREAD ... 
It makes for good conversation and all bring up good points!!
However, I don't see a car that is basically a stripped EVO 8 as an "evolving" EVO...
The dude that brought up the classic homologated track cars of yesteryears..(BMW CSL's, ETC) brings up a valid point..Due to their limited numbers on the special "race-built" cars and becuase a lot of those cars never got to live a full life (raced/crashed/butchered) the values of those cars have increased..and rightfully so because those cars started the trend of "race-prepped" versions..
It COULD happen with the EVO RS but I doubt it..
I do think the EVO is destined to be a classic race car, but please don't put it in the same category as the E30 M3 or CSL for that matter(the Batmobile) becuase it hasn't evolved that far yet......YET MIND YOU.
Also Don't forget, the early M3's HAD AIR and CREATURE COMFORTS because in order to compete the car had to be identical for the street..in order to compete on the track according to the rules!! (Homologation Class)
And remember the E36 M3 Lightweight?? That car came with stuff to get it on the track for the weekends..(oilpan, etc) So the owner had a true "Weekend Warrior" Once you installed those items however, the warranty was voided..
The RS won't have stuff like that...
Maybe if
included a "RACE PACKAGE" which gave you cool stuff to slap on for track use...we could say that this was a true "Street Legal" race car or car on par with a CSL and such..
Just my .02 of which I have .10
It makes for good conversation and all bring up good points!!
However, I don't see a car that is basically a stripped EVO 8 as an "evolving" EVO...
The dude that brought up the classic homologated track cars of yesteryears..(BMW CSL's, ETC) brings up a valid point..Due to their limited numbers on the special "race-built" cars and becuase a lot of those cars never got to live a full life (raced/crashed/butchered) the values of those cars have increased..and rightfully so because those cars started the trend of "race-prepped" versions..
It COULD happen with the EVO RS but I doubt it..
I do think the EVO is destined to be a classic race car, but please don't put it in the same category as the E30 M3 or CSL for that matter(the Batmobile) becuase it hasn't evolved that far yet......YET MIND YOU.
Also Don't forget, the early M3's HAD AIR and CREATURE COMFORTS because in order to compete the car had to be identical for the street..in order to compete on the track according to the rules!! (Homologation Class)
And remember the E36 M3 Lightweight?? That car came with stuff to get it on the track for the weekends..(oilpan, etc) So the owner had a true "Weekend Warrior" Once you installed those items however, the warranty was voided..
The RS won't have stuff like that...
Maybe if
included a "RACE PACKAGE" which gave you cool stuff to slap on for track use...we could say that this was a true "Street Legal" race car or car on par with a CSL and such..Just my .02 of which I have .10
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Originally posted by JT-KGY
Why does people keep saying it's 90lbs... it isn't it 146lbs??
The 146 lbs figure should be based on standard EVO w/o sunroof
right... else sunroof should be one of the items that
gets "triimmed" below...
Why does people keep saying it's 90lbs... it isn't it 146lbs??
The 146 lbs figure should be based on standard EVO w/o sunroof
right... else sunroof should be one of the items that
gets "triimmed" below...
The RS is 150 pounds lighter than an evo WITH a sunroof.
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If the MR doesn't become available:
I want...
the evo-CL
(The clutch is for at least 50k miles)
or
The evo-Fe
(Bad rust gets shot up. No rust problems... ever!)
Ok. Flame suit on. Do your bestest!
(but I'd still take those two models above OVER the RS )
I want...
the evo-CL
(The clutch is for at least 50k miles)or
The evo-Fe
(Bad rust gets shot up. No rust problems... ever!)Ok. Flame suit on. Do your bestest!
(but I'd still take those two models above OVER the RS
)
Last edited by meisnerboy; Nov 7, 2003 at 12:25 PM.
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Originally posted by Secret Chimp
The Evo really is a rally car. Mitsubishi is making a stripped version available so people can more affordably take this car to the track (when I say track, I do not mean drag racing) and win.
The Evo really is a rally car. Mitsubishi is making a stripped version available so people can more affordably take this car to the track (when I say track, I do not mean drag racing) and win.
Any supporting facts to this statement?
(I didn't read the entire 15 pages.. :P)
I would think that sunroof will be listed as one of the trimmed
"nonessentials"... no?
(I didn't read the entire 15 pages.. :P)
I would think that sunroof will be listed as one of the trimmed
"nonessentials"... no?
Originally posted by meisnerboy
nope.
The RS is 150 pounds lighter than an evo WITH a sunroof.
nope.
The RS is 150 pounds lighter than an evo WITH a sunroof.
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The Evo RS is likely coming for a reason other than trying to make money or broadening market base alone. Most likely they want to make sure they can kick the STI's butt in stock racing classes, eg. front LSD. They obviously figured that the ACD was something they could do without, either for weight or service reasons.
The RS is likely also to be used as a base for American Group N rally cars. Subaru apparently has a major problem that a USDM STI based rally car is strictly speaking not legal even after the 2.5 engine has been replaced with a JDM spec 2.0 liter (there is a discussion surrounding this issue on nasioc.com Motorsport forum). To be legal in Group N apparently they have to use a JDM shell. It's probable that is trying to circumvent this just in case North America keeps getting more serious about rallying.
trying to make money or broadening market base alone. Most likely they want to make sure they can kick the STI's butt in stock racing classes, eg. front LSD. They obviously figured that the ACD was something they could do without, either for weight or service reasons.The RS is likely also to be used as a base for American Group N rally cars. Subaru apparently has a major problem that a USDM STI based rally car is strictly speaking not legal even after the 2.5 engine has been replaced with a JDM spec 2.0 liter (there is a discussion surrounding this issue on nasioc.com Motorsport forum). To be legal in Group N apparently they have to use a JDM shell. It's probable that
is trying to circumvent this just in case North America keeps getting more serious about rallying.
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Dang, there's so much whining about the Evo RS...
We got the Evo RS because we asked for it:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=15679
Well some of us did.
I'm sure many of the other realistic features we want will appear on a future US Evo. Just be patient.
We got the Evo RS because we asked for it:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=15679
Well some of us did.
I'm sure many of the other realistic features we want will appear on a future US Evo. Just be patient.
Originally posted by M3lachsilber
I think this is a GREAT THREAD ...
It makes for good conversation and all bring up good points!!
However, I don't see a car that is basically a stripped EVO 8 as an "evolving" EVO...
The dude that brought up the classic homologated track cars of yesteryears..(BMW CSL's, ETC) brings up a valid point..Due to their limited numbers on the special "race-built" cars and becuase a lot of those cars never got to live a full life (raced/crashed/butchered) the values of those cars have increased..and rightfully so because those cars started the trend of "race-prepped" versions..
It COULD happen with the EVO RS but I doubt it..
I do think the EVO is destined to be a classic race car, but please don't put it in the same category as the E30 M3 or CSL for that matter(the Batmobile) becuase it hasn't evolved that far yet......YET MIND YOU.
Also Don't forget, the early M3's HAD AIR and CREATURE COMFORTS because in order to compete the car had to be identical for the street..in order to compete on the track according to the rules!! (Homologation Class)
And remember the E36 M3 Lightweight?? That car came with stuff to get it on the track for the weekends..(oilpan, etc) So the owner had a true "Weekend Warrior" Once you installed those items however, the warranty was voided..
The RS won't have stuff like that...
Maybe if included a "RACE PACKAGE" which gave you cool stuff to slap on for track use...we could say that this was a true "Street Legal" race car or car on par with a CSL and such..
Just my .02 of which I have .10
I think this is a GREAT THREAD ...
It makes for good conversation and all bring up good points!!
However, I don't see a car that is basically a stripped EVO 8 as an "evolving" EVO...
The dude that brought up the classic homologated track cars of yesteryears..(BMW CSL's, ETC) brings up a valid point..Due to their limited numbers on the special "race-built" cars and becuase a lot of those cars never got to live a full life (raced/crashed/butchered) the values of those cars have increased..and rightfully so because those cars started the trend of "race-prepped" versions..
It COULD happen with the EVO RS but I doubt it..
I do think the EVO is destined to be a classic race car, but please don't put it in the same category as the E30 M3 or CSL for that matter(the Batmobile) becuase it hasn't evolved that far yet......YET MIND YOU.
Also Don't forget, the early M3's HAD AIR and CREATURE COMFORTS because in order to compete the car had to be identical for the street..in order to compete on the track according to the rules!! (Homologation Class)
And remember the E36 M3 Lightweight?? That car came with stuff to get it on the track for the weekends..(oilpan, etc) So the owner had a true "Weekend Warrior" Once you installed those items however, the warranty was voided..
The RS won't have stuff like that...
Maybe if
included a "RACE PACKAGE" which gave you cool stuff to slap on for track use...we could say that this was a true "Street Legal" race car or car on par with a CSL and such..Just my .02 of which I have .10
The Evo has a pretty good spankin' history if you ask me... being WRC champion, what was it, 4 or 5 years in a row? I'm sure that's more than the M3 has ever won! Not that the M3 is a shabby car or anything.
Originally posted by zstryder
The RS is meant to be as street legal a race car can be.
It doesn't come with anything because people who plan to build a race car with it want options - they want to be able to cutsomize the thing. People who buy RS's will NOT keep them stock! They will tear them apart inside out and to their liking.
The back seat can be removed. The passenger seat can be removed (though the WRC car has a passenger seat for obvious reasons). Why does the WRC car have rear windows?
Everything else can be removed. And I'm sure the heater is probably nothing more than directing heat from the engine bay into the cabin. It does not require a compressor and unit like the AC does.
As for everything else - you're just nitpicking, really. Rollcage isn't installed because users will want a choice of what kind of cage to install.
The point is, the RS is a far better base for being a race car than our USDM "RSII". With 150 lbs off straight from the offset, you're that much closer to becoming a full out race car. If Mitsubishi were to sell the car as a "race car" in the sense of LeMans, WRC, or JGTC cars, you'd be paying up the wazoo for it, not to mention you'd be losing customizability. For people who want a weekend warrior for autox or road racing, this is it. There really is nothing to lose with the RS package. It's cheaper, plus gets rid of stuff you'd eventually get rid of anyway. This is their target market - not for the guy who wants a "fast car" that can be daily driver.
EDIT: I'm sure the Puma/Advan Evo's started as a RS and were stripped and rebuilt. Especially in the case of JGTC cars, most were stripped and rebuilt. These aren't cars that are built for racing from scratch..
The RS is meant to be as street legal a race car can be.
It doesn't come with anything because people who plan to build a race car with it want options - they want to be able to cutsomize the thing. People who buy RS's will NOT keep them stock! They will tear them apart inside out and to their liking.
The back seat can be removed. The passenger seat can be removed (though the WRC car has a passenger seat for obvious reasons). Why does the WRC car have rear windows?
Everything else can be removed. And I'm sure the heater is probably nothing more than directing heat from the engine bay into the cabin. It does not require a compressor and unit like the AC does.
As for everything else - you're just nitpicking, really. Rollcage isn't installed because users will want a choice of what kind of cage to install.
The point is, the RS is a far better base for being a race car than our USDM "RSII". With 150 lbs off straight from the offset, you're that much closer to becoming a full out race car. If Mitsubishi were to sell the car as a "race car" in the sense of LeMans, WRC, or JGTC cars, you'd be paying up the wazoo for it, not to mention you'd be losing customizability. For people who want a weekend warrior for autox or road racing, this is it. There really is nothing to lose with the RS package. It's cheaper, plus gets rid of stuff you'd eventually get rid of anyway. This is their target market - not for the guy who wants a "fast car" that can be daily driver.
EDIT: I'm sure the Puma/Advan Evo's started as a RS and were stripped and rebuilt. Especially in the case of JGTC cars, most were stripped and rebuilt. These aren't cars that are built for racing from scratch..
(good show!!!) i didnt realize there were so many tools on this board, so many people dislike the RS, why? because its less expensive then what you got your evo for? that many other people will have an evo and you wont be orignal anymore? why else do they sell the RS model everywhere else in the world? just so that they can make more money? NO! its just another trim that is focused on a true enthusiast who wants to customize their cars to fit their likings. all this talk about warranty, is funny, why would you care just like mentioned above, you probably installed a stage zero or yet changed the exhaust therefore canceling your warranty to begin with....i understand that their are people who want the creature comforts and the power that the evo has, well you know what? your looking in the wrong place, i dont know maybe your idolized intereior is the shabby lancer interior and it is godlike for some of you people, why not go for an Audi S4 or a M3 for that matter then?
i just dont understand some of you people crying about the rs, i personally think mitsubishi should have started with the RS and followed up with the GSR model, yet again it is a great niche to at least have one for those who want to customize their cars. i would love to get one so i can customize the car to my liking and make this into a great track car...
to sum things up, the main concern here in this thread is ignorance, some people didnt even know the RS existed, nor do they know what the RS is all about, im sure most of the people posting badly about it have either
A. found out about the EVO via Grand Turismo (and thats all that they know about it, mind you if you did your research and found about the Lan Evo in the game then im not aiming this at you, good job for educating yourself)
B. just jumping on the bandwagon cause "this is the 'in' car to have" so you can impress them ladies
C. Envious, jealousy, and just plain ignorant....
Hey, more power to the RS. I am looking forward to buying a 2004. The RS probably won't be it. I think most of the people on this thread are just upset because we see models like the FQ300 and MR that are being released in Japan and Europe. They could at least offer the '04 US (GSR, if you will) with the LSD and brace that the RS comes with.