450+ low end torque and 500+ hp
On topic to the thread.
We had a car here last week that I also forgot about. Really nice MR. It was also equipped with an FP Red, BR 2.3, BR head, BF272 cams etc. The car was tuned on pump gas and E85. The customer wanted to keep the stock ECU in the car and I tuned it on ID2000's. I was surprised at how well it ran on the stock ECU with those injectors in it. Still STOCK MAF. That car also put down 446 whp on the 93 octane. On E85 it put down 525, I realize E85 wasn't what was asked about in this thread initially but that's about 593 whp on a Dynojet on the Red.
It's really the best stock appearing turbo out there as far as I'm concerned and it's hard to beat the power band it gives you.
We had a car here last week that I also forgot about. Really nice MR. It was also equipped with an FP Red, BR 2.3, BR head, BF272 cams etc. The car was tuned on pump gas and E85. The customer wanted to keep the stock ECU in the car and I tuned it on ID2000's. I was surprised at how well it ran on the stock ECU with those injectors in it. Still STOCK MAF. That car also put down 446 whp on the 93 octane. On E85 it put down 525, I realize E85 wasn't what was asked about in this thread initially but that's about 593 whp on a Dynojet on the Red.
It's really the best stock appearing turbo out there as far as I'm concerned and it's hard to beat the power band it gives you.
Twin Scroll... you've said and continue to say, "its not a better design than a single scroll". A/R to A/R... cross sectional area to cross sectional of the turbine inlet... the Twin scroll IS better. If you had a strong grasp of turbine housing geometry this would make sense.
MIVEC. Just because you're not capable of tuning cam timing doesn't mean it doesn't work. Using other people's MIVEC maps does not count as MIVEC tuning either. You also stated that cam gears are useless... "set the cams at zero" If I have to explain to you why both of these comments are ignorant statements... I'll probably have to explain what degreeing an engine is as well.
Sierra Sierra Evo... Good to know... it may blow head gaskets as often as you get angry, but you still won't put down a faster lap on a road course.
I would think replacing a 800 dollar cylinder head for a big name like Sierra Sierra would've been peanuts compared to what you would've received in business from their advertising.
I'll just be sure and quote you saying that SSE can't keep a head gasket on their car when they take 1st place in Time Attack this next year.
MIVEC. Just because you're not capable of tuning cam timing doesn't mean it doesn't work. Using other people's MIVEC maps does not count as MIVEC tuning either. You also stated that cam gears are useless... "set the cams at zero" If I have to explain to you why both of these comments are ignorant statements... I'll probably have to explain what degreeing an engine is as well.
Sierra Sierra Evo... Good to know... it may blow head gaskets as often as you get angry, but you still won't put down a faster lap on a road course.
I would think replacing a 800 dollar cylinder head for a big name like Sierra Sierra would've been peanuts compared to what you would've received in business from their advertising.
I'll just be sure and quote you saying that SSE can't keep a head gasket on their car when they take 1st place in Time Attack this next year.
Mike
Oh Mike,
please do tell what you consider an accomplishment? What qualifies?
Worlds Fastest stock long block Evo 9 FP Red?
Worlds Highest Horsepower stock long block Evo 9 FP Red?
I could put that in my sig.
please do tell what you consider an accomplishment? What qualifies?
Worlds Fastest stock long block Evo 9 FP Red?
Worlds Highest Horsepower stock long block Evo 9 FP Red?
I could put that in my sig.
dbsears, certainly NOT using Cosworth anything or Full Race anything in the beginning. We got shafted on that deal, like my story says, we were never contacted and then by the time they had the car all jacked up and engine hurt we were asked to try and fix it. After that I couldn't even get a phone call back and attempted to contact Dennis. You'd think after building him two bad *** EVO's he'd have had the courtesy to at least tell the truth about their dry sump and fuel system failing and some other hack shop trying to fix the head. Instead we were blamed for the piston to valve interference when they were doing the repairs and work...... To be honest, with the billions of dollars that team has (not a typo) I expected nothing less. I told the guys here that car was destined to be handled by other people who overcharged and took every cent they could get. That's not my style. When Dennis sent me the fab pictures for the electric power steering set up and told me it cost more than another new EVO would have I knew for sure they'd have people they were associated with in the Toyota Atlantic series working on it. I was right. Well, he still owns two bad *** street EVO's we built! Threads of both those builds are here on EVOm.
The only reason the threads of the engine/head/intercooler etc. didn't make it to the internet he told us he wanted it kept quiet. His goal was to beat HKS and AMS and had a real hard on for doing it.
Dump enough money into a project and hire the best drivers and all from a Toyota Atlantic Championship race team............I'd certainly hope they could do well in Time Attack! hahaha
Maybe someone can call up some top NASCAR and Indy car teams too, they might want to dump millions into making 3 laps in Time Attack too, think they could win? ROFL......the power of the internet boys, the power of the internet.
The only reason the threads of the engine/head/intercooler etc. didn't make it to the internet he told us he wanted it kept quiet. His goal was to beat HKS and AMS and had a real hard on for doing it.
Dump enough money into a project and hire the best drivers and all from a Toyota Atlantic Championship race team............I'd certainly hope they could do well in Time Attack! hahaha
Maybe someone can call up some top NASCAR and Indy car teams too, they might want to dump millions into making 3 laps in Time Attack too, think they could win? ROFL......the power of the internet boys, the power of the internet.
On topic to the thread.
We had a car here last week that I also forgot about. Really nice MR. It was also equipped with an FP Red, BR 2.3, BR head, BF272 cams etc. The car was tuned on pump gas and E85. The customer wanted to keep the stock ECU in the car and I tuned it on ID2000's. I was surprised at how well it ran on the stock ECU with those injectors in it. Still STOCK MAF. That car also put down 446 whp on the 93 octane. On E85 it put down 525, I realize E85 wasn't what was asked about in this thread initially but that's about 593 whp on a Dynojet on the Red.
It's really the best stock appearing turbo out there as far as I'm concerned and it's hard to beat the power band it gives you.
We had a car here last week that I also forgot about. Really nice MR. It was also equipped with an FP Red, BR 2.3, BR head, BF272 cams etc. The car was tuned on pump gas and E85. The customer wanted to keep the stock ECU in the car and I tuned it on ID2000's. I was surprised at how well it ran on the stock ECU with those injectors in it. Still STOCK MAF. That car also put down 446 whp on the 93 octane. On E85 it put down 525, I realize E85 wasn't what was asked about in this thread initially but that's about 593 whp on a Dynojet on the Red.
It's really the best stock appearing turbo out there as far as I'm concerned and it's hard to beat the power band it gives you.
Mike
Ernie.. Run along.. Contribute something factual you know 100% 1st hand or quit spreading lies about what you THINK YOU KNOW.. Thats how misinformation gets spread on the forums.. Do some testing yourself and provide proof of something or run along..
what misinformation have I posted? And you said something about trivial questions? I think you mean pointed questions, there is a distinct difference.
Dave showed a graph of a highly modified FP Red setup that made 500... is that no different than what I initally stated? I don't see why Dave took such offense to me saying that it takes a ton of mods to make 500whp on an FP Red setup.
Dave has said MIVEC does nothing
Dave has said that Twin scroll doesn't work
I said Dave couldn't beat Sierra Sierra around a track.
Besides the claim of SSE beating Dave (which Dave admitted was quite reasonable), I have spread no misinformation.
You never answered my question about what is considered an accomplishment in your eyes. I'd like to hear what it is.
Dave showed a graph of a highly modified FP Red setup that made 500... is that no different than what I initally stated? I don't see why Dave took such offense to me saying that it takes a ton of mods to make 500whp on an FP Red setup.
Dave has said MIVEC does nothing
Dave has said that Twin scroll doesn't work
I said Dave couldn't beat Sierra Sierra around a track.
Besides the claim of SSE beating Dave (which Dave admitted was quite reasonable), I have spread no misinformation.
You never answered my question about what is considered an accomplishment in your eyes. I'd like to hear what it is.
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Twin Scroll... you've said and continue to say, "its not a better design than a single scroll". A/R to A/R... cross sectional area to cross sectional of the turbine inlet... the Twin scroll IS better. If you had a strong grasp of turbine housing geometry this would make sense.
MIVEC. Just because you're not capable of tuning cam timing doesn't mean it doesn't work. Using other people's MIVEC maps does not count as MIVEC tuning either. You also stated that cam gears are useless... "set the cams at zero" If I have to explain to you why both of these comments are ignorant statements... I'll probably have to explain what degreeing an engine is as well.
Sierra Sierra Evo... Good to know... it may blow head gaskets as often as you get angry, but you still won't put down a faster lap on a road course.
I would think replacing a 800 dollar cylinder head for a big name like Sierra Sierra would've been peanuts compared to what you would've received in business from their advertising.
I'll just be sure and quote you saying that SSE can't keep a head gasket on their car when they take 1st place in Time Attack this next year.
MIVEC. Just because you're not capable of tuning cam timing doesn't mean it doesn't work. Using other people's MIVEC maps does not count as MIVEC tuning either. You also stated that cam gears are useless... "set the cams at zero" If I have to explain to you why both of these comments are ignorant statements... I'll probably have to explain what degreeing an engine is as well.
Sierra Sierra Evo... Good to know... it may blow head gaskets as often as you get angry, but you still won't put down a faster lap on a road course.
I would think replacing a 800 dollar cylinder head for a big name like Sierra Sierra would've been peanuts compared to what you would've received in business from their advertising.
I'll just be sure and quote you saying that SSE can't keep a head gasket on their car when they take 1st place in Time Attack this next year.
Mike
You're mocking the Sierra Sierra Evo for racing competitively in a series...
I considering racing and winning a real racing series(not one that you made up) an accomplishment. Making up records to fill your signature line... are only there to serve your Ego and selling parts.
I considering racing and winning a real racing series(not one that you made up) an accomplishment. Making up records to fill your signature line... are only there to serve your Ego and selling parts.
haha... NOTHING. You still haven't defined what you consider an accomplishment. For all I know NOTHING means not supporting DB.
I'll post up my twin scroll versus single scroll data in the coming weeks. I'll also explain to you the details of why the test was done the way it was. It goes back to understanding Area to radiius ratio and the inlet flange's cross sectional area. I think you'll enjoy it. Considering it will most likely set one of your "internet records"
I'll post up my twin scroll versus single scroll data in the coming weeks. I'll also explain to you the details of why the test was done the way it was. It goes back to understanding Area to radiius ratio and the inlet flange's cross sectional area. I think you'll enjoy it. Considering it will most likely set one of your "internet records"
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