well i was watching the news today and they did a comparison on the evo sti and rx8. according to the fox network u can get a sti for 25k. since a cf/sunroof evo is supposed to cost 1-2k more i think u shouldnt take anything over 27k. lol then again i think fox was totally bs considering that they rated the evo handling as worst than the sti.

 

no, i know what type of engine a porche has and i know subaru is using the same type. the moron dealer told me in his own words "and you know this has a porche engine"

boxer and boxter 2 diferent things.

 

i am not retarded i didnt make the mistake the moron said specifically porsche. he didnt say boxer or boxter, the idiot said porsche.


meaning, he basically said that the porsche boxter and wrx have same engine. i knew what he was trying to say he just said it wrong. and i didnt correct him, let him just keep making a fool of himself

 

You're forgetting destination, which Edmunds doesn't seem to figure into it.

The invoice price of an Evo w/ a roof and wing is something like 28,900 something. Maybe 28,860 something. I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

 

Its 28860... I have a copy of mine.

 

This moron @ Rick Case Mitsubishi took me on a test drive and the amount of misinformation he gave me was unbelieveable. He said the EVO had a twin turbo V6 motor. I'm not lying. He then said he can get me 3000 dollars off invoice.....so I could get the car for 30 grand as he put it.

All he did was say how this car ran circles around the STi.....even though this is a EVO site to say it runs circles around the STi is kinda an overstatement to me.

He then capped it off with stating his regular lancer with a 40cc turbo (WHAT THE HELL IS A 40cc TURBO lol) will murder a EVo so thats why he doesn't want one.

*sigh*

I want an EVo so bad but I gotta sell my hybrid 1st and try to get into a house. The sooner I accomplish that the sooner I can get my EVO.

 

here is an old thread (in a "hidden" forum) where a member (Johng316) described a pretty good way of negotiating via fax.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=20399

he outlines the process in the 5th reply down.
good read, best of luck

 

I thought about that but still is'nt destination only around $500??

 

Its easy to talk a dealer down. All u have to do is be a ******* soto speak. One go to edmunds.com and find out what wht invoice with the options u want. Then go to a dealer and poke around with them for a few days like stop in look at the car etc get your face known and let them know u want to buy also go to a dealer that has a few on hand puts them in a desperation to sell them. But then when u sit down with them tell them this is the price I will pay and not a cent more. usualy they will say we cant do that but if u flash some cash or leave they will budge.

I went in to a dealer for over two months off and on and had them buy the ***** but tehy would not budge at all. So I went in with 5K cash and said I want this car for this price then layed it out I was going to put 20K down but I wanted to make sure they knew I was serious. they said 400 under MSRP I picked up and left I had them calling me every day about 3 times they finaly got down to 600 below but I was still not happy.

I was looking at about 32K just about 33 out the door witch made me unhappy. SO in a last ditch effort I called a local dealer that I had not been delaling with and they had what I wanted I said plain and simple I have a deal at this dealer and they are being total dicks and u ahve the car I want and they are telling me 31,800 out the door(total lie) and can u beat it? If so I will buy it tomarrow they called me back in 5 min and said 31,500 out the door witch gave me th car itself at $28,900 sweet. THey lost 1800 on the deal eating up the under MSRP and some tax and licence but they got a sale and I got my EVO.

Best part the ******* dealer called me as I was sighnig my papers at the other dealer . I was the owner he offered to sell me the car but still 800 over waht I got it for I laughed and said no thanks im here at bla bla mitsu picking up my evo at 800 less bye bye.

Just play hard ball and know what u want to pay and get in there and just fight a bit chances are tehy will budge 2 make a sale but patience is key and good credit

-chris

 

Uhm then clearly you didn't "have them by the *****", superman.

What is with some car buyers (especially young males) acting like car salesmen are scum who deserve nothing? They likely work harder than you do yet you have a prejudice to treat them like **** and act like they shouldn't make a living for all the work they do to get you into the car you like. That's so childish. I've definitely noticed though that the prejudice is strongest with the people who can't afford nice cars and who have to finance everything. It's like they have some jealous rage that they must unleash before they're satisfied with their purchase.

It seems especially prevalent among males 20-35, who feel they're less of a man if they don't somehow "conquer" the salesperson and "put them into submission" by "having them by the *****." Like your friends will really think more of you because you ruined the salesman's chance of being paid for the work he did to assisting you and prepping your car for delivery.

As if not getting the car at some ridiculously low price that is far below what everyone else is buying the car for means you were somehow anally violated. ***** please.

In the luxury car world most cars sell closer to or at MSRP than any other price and they're selling to customers who clearly see the value in their purchase at that price.

It's a fact - of the people who buy upscale cars the percentage of *******s is much much less. There are still a few who share the sentiment of the immature testosterone buyer who feel like they're somehow being taken advantage of to pay more than what the dealership paid to get the car in the first place - as if the dealership is there simply to serve you a car and not pay their bills or god forbid make a profit!

To put it another way, I have a theory that the same people who insist on buying cars at or below invoice are the same people who don't tip waitresses or food delivery folk.

They're the reason dealerships now have to figure out ways to make money below invoice and through finance and leasing is because of buyers that can't comprehend a business model (let alone a fair price) and insist on everything in life being handed to them without ever rewarding or tipping the people who helped get it to them.

They're also the reason some delivery places now include a small fixed delivery fee to ensure their delivery folk can actually expect SOME sort of compensation for their time.

Shame on people who have such a poor attitude towards sales representatives and assistants.

Yes, there are still dishonest dealers and salespeople out there, but the growing trend is toward honesty and superior customer service, at least in the luxury league. So when someone comes in with a ****head attitude it makes the dealership laugh at THEM for being such squirrels.

 

If you were a regular car buyer, you would understand, but:

What makes you think you are any more entitled to my hard-earned money than I am? What makes you think I am not going to do my damnedest to work you for every possible penny if I feel like I want to? Why should I have any compassion for your "predicament"? If you don't want to deal with me, refuse to deal with me. Otherwise, be up front about your bottom line on a car and let's go from there.

Put yourself in our shoes.

... and I regularly tip 20% on good service, so much for that theory.

 

lol "in your shoes" like somehow my becoming employed at a car dealership turned me into someone who can no longer understand the buyer's point of view even though i am still a car buyer myself and was one before i worked at a dealership.

That's pretty funny spin doctoring. If anything the only person here who does not "understand" is the person who hasn't been on both sides of the interaction, and that person is you and you exemplify that in what you say - being unable to comprehend that a sales job is a job like any other and the person took the job to make money not to work their *** off to give things away.

That's a cute way to phrase it but that's not the issue. The issue is that items have a price. Nice things cost more. Cars are the one item where Americans have managed to make it possible to bargain on the price at the store that sells the item. How about you take your attitude to Best Buy or any other retail store and try to bargain for the price of a DVD or computer game or anything else they sell.

So if you're going to phrase your question that way, I'll come back with "What makes you think you can have this product for less than the pricetag? What makes you think you are any more entitled to a special price than the rest of my customers? I don't know you from Adam." and we'd both be *******s. But that's not me. I treat every customer as valuable (even the *******s) and do my best to earn their business. But my job has no place on this forum. I'm here as an Evo enthusiast. And when I see someone acting like a damn child about pricing, I'm going to call them out on it.

Sorry, but if everyone got their cars at cost there wouldn't be any cars to drive because there wouldn't be any salespeople, there wouldn't be any dealerships, and there certainly wouldn't be any companies building them because no one provides a good or service Just For the Hell of It. They do it to make money.

If anything the only PROPER question would lie directly between yours and mine and it would be, "What is the fair price at which the customer is getting the best value for their money and the salesperson is still making a living?"

Generally that price lies somewhere between invoice and MSRP. Then again as I already mentioned I'm coming from luxury cars. Life's a lot different in the lower-end products where it's completely a volume game and they have to ***** out cars at invoice or less just to maintain the volume to reach the needed sales numbers.

It's generally the customers accustomed to that type of purchase who, when they can afford to, shop for a luxury car and wrongly expect to pay invoice for it.

They are the only *******s I ever deal with because they are expecting the impossible and act all offended or angry when they find out the reality of the situation. =)


Btw, we give our best price up front to our Internet clients so that comment of yours about "best price" was invalid to begin with when directed at me. Then again I rarely have to deal with "*******s", as I deal with higher level clients on average.

The "*******s" always end up either not liking what they hear regarding pricing and waiting six months to buy the last possible previous model year car left, or they shop around and realize all dealers have prices similar to each other (talking luxury cars again not Mitsus or Chevys) and either come back and buy from me since I am generally the first to contact them and I am always polite and helpful, or they just go look at other vehicles that fit their price range more appropriately. So really whether or not I deal with them is up to them. Either they come around to reality or they don't.

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And actually none of that has anything to do with the point I was making earlier which is how some groups of people have it out for car salesmen and saleswomen and that's a pathetic attitude to have. No one should be out to get anyone else. As I said I realize there are still some dealerships and sales people who are out to get the customer as well but that's the whole point of CSI and why customer feedback and surveys, along with word of mouth, is so important. The customer has the power to put bad people out of business. That is the proper way to handle that. There is no need to stereotype all salespeople by the bad ones. That is a common prejudice humans are guilty of throughout history. Groups of people are stereotyped by their worst members. When you are mature enough and intelligent enough to overcome that weakness in human perception, you will truly be an adult.

 

First off I dont care if u have been on both sides of the table. I dont care if u are some corprate ******* for some luxury internet car company.

NO im not superman and mabe I did not have them by the ***** but I had them calling my cell about 5 times a day wanting me to pic a evo up so if anything I had them by the ***** cause they wanted to move one of the 5 evo's that had been on the lot for the last 3 months.

I and most on here work ****ing hard for there money hell I work 18 hour days and have 3 jobs.

I personaly dont give a **** about car salesman or dealers im a consumer and if I dont want to pay full price then I have my god given right not to. PLus why pay a salesman who does not know dick about the car other than its was in 2F2F or who can only read off the sticker to u. Thats like saying tip a waiter 30% when she ****ed up your order or just plain did not care about u and gave the ****ties survice. I work in teh buis so I know a thing or to so dont try and lay that on me like the salesman bit.

Bottom line if u want to throw hard earned money out the door to some sales guy cause u been there do it. BUt calling us *******s for treating sales guys like dirt in your eyes is Bull****. I pay on service if a guy were to swing me so kinda deal an work extra hard for me then hell I would take a few hundred so he could make a extra little here and there. But most sales guys dont give a flying **** about u just there pocket. SO what go's around comes around

Who cares about what I think or what u think if u want ot pay mad cash do it if not dont make yourself happy and call it a day.

 

What a clueless moron...

Sounds like he has a case of "***** envy"...the salesman was probably pissed that he can't afford an Evo, and had to settle for a regular Lancer...so he pulled some bull**** outta his *** to try and "one up" you to make himself feel better. I have run into DOZENS of idiots like him over the years. They don't realize how stupid they sound, cuz the bull**** is so obvious!

I would have LOVED it if he started spouting that **** at me...I can almost guarantee you I could get him mad enough to wanna fight me...I enjoy picking apart bull**** stories like that...it's kind of a hobby of mine...

 

I love how every some what interesting and useful thread on this board turns into a useless **** throwing match.

hopefully, those that visit this thread because they're "actually" interested in learning how to talk a dealer into a good deal learn something. the link i posted earlier (above) is a good read for those still interested.