Originally posted by CACalomino
First off I dont care if u have been on both sides of the table. I dont care if u are some corprate ******* for some luxury internet car company.

Of course you don't care. I didn't either, but I was responding to someone who claimed I couldn't understand the buyer's point of view simply because I am now also a salesperson. Notice the word "also" - I am still a buyer, and I was long before I began working in the sales profession.

Also "corporate"? No, sorry, there is no such thing as a corporate dealership that I know of. Most are franchises.

"Internet car company"? Not sure what that is. Sounds fly-by-night if you ask me!

I guess you're just trying to mix big words together that you can't even spell hoping you're somehow insulting me. Sorry, doesn't work.

NO im not superman and mabe I did not have them by the ***** but I had them calling my cell about 5 times a day wanting me to pic a evo up so if anything I had them by the ***** cause they wanted to move one of the 5 evo's that had been on the lot for the last 3 months.

So they had strong follow-up and probably put pressure on you because they wanted or needed a sale. Good for them, good for you. (Except for the pressure part - I find that unneccessary.) Btw, try to keep your train of thought on one set of tracks - you didn't have them by the *****, you did have them by the *****... how about you just stop using childish terminology and realize that the sales equation has two sides, buyer and seller, and that at different times either one can have an advantage or disadvantage in a given situation.

I and most on here work ****ing hard for there money hell I work 18 hour days and have 3 jobs.

Good for you? I'm sorry? Wow, you work about as many hours as I do? I'm not sure what you want me to say. I work very hard for my money too, but apparently your prejudice against salespeople demands that you consider their money unscrupulously and easily earned. No, they don't work in the cold, in the rain/snow; they never have miserable customers, angry customers, or squirrels; they never have to do anything but sit on their butt and figure out how to steal your money from you. Riiiiight.

Please, if you're going to insist on being a narrow-minded child about this, don't bother quoting or replying to what I write because a mature conversation is clearly impossible when you insist on stereotyping a group of people by the lowest common denominator examples you can find. When you do that to groups of people based on their skin color that's called racism. It's no better to do it to any other group of people either. When you grow up hopefully you'll learn tolerance and acceptance of others and that no matter what job we have we're all still human beings.

I personaly dont give a **** about car salesman or dealers

We figured that out as soon as you started typing.

im a consumer and if I dont want to pay full price then I have my god given right not to.

No one said you didn't.

The funny part is it's generally not "full price" that's a problem - it's generally even getting someone to pay a reasonable price for the item that is the problem with the troublesome customers such as yourself. When you are out of touch with reality and you expect things for unreasonable prices we have a problem.

Fictitious example: I simply cannot sell a car that is selling very well at $500 under MSRP to you for $500 under invoice. You may want it at that price, you may rant and rave and demand that price. You may think it's your God-given right to have the vehicle at that price, but the reality is it's just not happening.
You'll huff and puff and stomp out the door angrily and pray to God to strike all salesmen dead and you'll post on every Internet forum you can find about how XYZ dealership is full of liars, cheats, and thieves, but the sad reality is it is would be you with the problem. Yet XYZ's name gets dragged through the mud and there's really nothing they can do about that. That just proves the power of the consumer right there - sadly even the irrational ones.

PLus why pay a salesman who does not know dick about the car other than its was in 2F2F or who can only read off the sticker to u.

I never said you should directly pay the salesman anything. You're looking at your car purchase in a totally wrong and jaded way if you care more about what the salesman is or isn't making than you do about the price you are buying the car for. All you should or need to care about is what you are paying. Keep that as your focus. The salesman will be there making money no matter what you do. You're simply one sale out of several he will have that month so you worrying about punishing him (which isn't even your business or concern) is again, childish.

If the salesman is incompetent you can certainly mention that to the sales manager on duty and if he cares about his sales team (which he should) he will make sure that employee is forbidden from selling that model car again until he learns about the product.

The thing is most manufacturers (I know Mitsu does for example) have mandatory training courses on each of their models to ensure sales people have basic knowledge of the cars. Generally if you run into someone who doesn't know what they're talking about:

A: They're BSing you because you're probably a kid and they think they can talk big things to sell you a car. You are smarter than that. Tell them (politely) that you know all about the car and please do not give me that BS, etc.

B:No one ever considers that they might be a new hire still learning the brand.

C: They cheated to pass the tests and don't really know anything about the car. This is the situation I mentioned above where I said you should mention it to the sales manager. You can even ask him to assign a salesperson to you who knows about the car.

Remember as a buyer you can walk out at any time you want and you certainly don't have to deal with a salesperson you don't like. This of course assumes you're a rational human being, not some degenerate that automatically hates every salesperson.


Thats like saying tip a waiter 30% when she ****ed up your order or just plain did not care about u and gave the ****ties survice.

No one said anything about that.

I work in teh buis so I know a thing or to so dont try and lay that on me like the salesman bit.

A salesman is not tipped by the customer, nor is his pay on the sale affected by how well he interacted with you.

The way you determine his "tip" is when you get the phone call or snailmail Customer Survey and you can honestly rate him crappy. That will impact him more than you realize. That's where his CSI rating comes from. Customer Satisfaction Index is what shows how well he did his job, not what he is paid on the car. You will not be able to bargain the selling price lower simply because your salesperson sucks. That's an impossible expectation on your part.

What you CAN do is fill out the survey properly and it will have the intended effect because sales people need to maintain a certain CSI rating or they can be fired at most dealerships.

CSI is as, if not more important, than how much your average gross is on a car sale. Any salesperson working at a reputable dealership can verify that for you. You could be routinely making $1000 profit on every car you sell and if you have terrible CSI you WILL be fired. This is not up to the dealership anymore, but up to the the actual brand's corporate office. This was started as a way to help clean up the sales teams and remove a lot of the sleazy scum that certainly did make up most sales teams a couple decades ago before there was such a thing as CSI to keep them honest.

Bottom line if u want to throw hard earned money out the door to some sales guy cause u been there do it.

Again, what you pay for the car has no impact on whether or not the salesman is paid.

BUt calling us *******s for treating sales guys like dirt in your eyes is Bull****.

No, you are an ******* for stereotyping all salespeople and for being prejudiced towards them. You should never treat another human being like dirt. That is a ****ing horrible thing to do to anyone.

...most sales guys dont give a flying **** about u just there pocket.

Oh but I'm sure you care the world for your customers/clients/patients at your job. Still though, that is very true. The reality though is that most customers don't give a flying **** about their salespeople either. Sounds like a balanced playing field of Care to me.

SO what go's around comes around

It certainly does and if you are an immature punk you will only have bad sales experiences and it will be completely due to your attitude and manners.

Who cares about what I think or what u think if u want ot pay mad cash do it if not dont make yourself happy and call it a day.

That comment has nothing to do with the topics discussed in this thread or my post that you are replying to. Now you're just speaking stream-of-consciousness garbage.

The issue is your attitude and immaturity.

I'll just sum it up to say that some groups of people have it out for car salesmen and saleswomen and that's a pathetic attitude to have. No one should be out to get anyone else. I realize there are still some dealerships and sales people who are out to get the customer but that's the whole point of CSI and why customer feedback and surveys, along with word of mouth, is so important and so powerful.

The customer has the power to put bad people out of business. That is the proper way to handle that. There is no need to stereotype all salespeople by the bad ones. That is a common thing humans are guilty of throughout history and it is called prejudice. Groups of people are stereotyped by their worst members. When you are mature enough and intelligent enough to overcome that weakness in human perception, you will truly be an adult.

Food for thought. If you'd actually read my previous two posts in this thread you would already comprehend that. But instead you just post some more thoughtless garbage. Thanks!

Originally posted by leaveit2bevo2

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Originally posted by JRock

Children like you are part of why I'd be hesitant to own an Evo - I'd be putting myself in line with the image of you brats instead of adults.

I'm not worried. I'm just too old to be dealing with these high-school-aged hyperactive kids who don't know anything about the real world except how to be *******s.

You're and maybe half of the Evo owners in our area are people I'd care to keep in contact with. The rest of them, these kids, I couldn't care less about. All they