Evo 4 - sourcing parts/getting work done
Evo 4 - sourcing parts/getting work done
Hi Guys,
I'm writing from Vancouver, BC Canada. We are able to street legalized JDM cars that passes the 15 year old rule. I am looking into getting an Evo 4 GSR imported. I am just wondering about sourcing parts on these cars.
I had an Evo 8 GSR imported from the states. Parts was really easy to find from mitsubishiparts.net as far as OEM. Aftermarket parts was easy to get as well, mostly from the states. I live 30 minutes from Washington so crossing countries is not new to me.
Here is my question, how interchange-able are the body parts of mitsubishi mirage or evo 8/9's to the rhd evo 4? how about the engine components say i am in need of a rebuild of the motor/tranny/diff? i know these comes with the 4g63 as well.
as far as modding the car, i will probably just do bolt ons on the evo 4. intake, maybe SD, 02 dump, mbc, and a flash. i wouldnt mind swapping in an evo 8 or 9 ecu if that makes the tuning easier.
i dont want to have to ship parts overseas when need be. if i could use mirage/evo 8 and 9 parts from the states on the jdm evo 4, then that would be sssupper.
I'm writing from Vancouver, BC Canada. We are able to street legalized JDM cars that passes the 15 year old rule. I am looking into getting an Evo 4 GSR imported. I am just wondering about sourcing parts on these cars.
I had an Evo 8 GSR imported from the states. Parts was really easy to find from mitsubishiparts.net as far as OEM. Aftermarket parts was easy to get as well, mostly from the states. I live 30 minutes from Washington so crossing countries is not new to me.
Here is my question, how interchange-able are the body parts of mitsubishi mirage or evo 8/9's to the rhd evo 4? how about the engine components say i am in need of a rebuild of the motor/tranny/diff? i know these comes with the 4g63 as well.
as far as modding the car, i will probably just do bolt ons on the evo 4. intake, maybe SD, 02 dump, mbc, and a flash. i wouldnt mind swapping in an evo 8 or 9 ecu if that makes the tuning easier.
i dont want to have to ship parts overseas when need be. if i could use mirage/evo 8 and 9 parts from the states on the jdm evo 4, then that would be sssupper.
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I think there's someone on here doing a Mirage-Evo 4 or 5 conversion, if I can find it I'll post the link but I think it'll answer your questions.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...o-6-5-tme.html
I guess it's to a 6.5, but might help you out.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...o-6-5-tme.html
I guess it's to a 6.5, but might help you out.
Last edited by Peanut1234; Aug 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM. Reason: Found link.
1997-2001 Mirage Sedan is 100% interchangeable with an Evo 4 in terms of body and interior. The only difference in the Chassis is the front strut bar center mounting point.
The engine and transmission on the Mirage are oriented 180* opposite and as such nothing motor or transmission will work on any RHD Evo.
If you wanted to use mirage parts you would need to swap axles, and that has a ton of things that go along with it. The good news is... you're starting at the expensive side.
The other 5th Gen Evos (the 5, 6, and 6.5 TME) are also 100% interchangeable with the 5th gen (97-01) Mirage Sedan. But those are widebody, vs. the Evo 4 which is narrow body. So basically... if you dented up your front fender on the 4, you could put a mirage fender on it (100% the same, but you'll need to pop out the sidemarker delete (its just a plastic piece) and bolt it on.
For the motor, almost nothing is interchangeable. The USDM Mirage used a 4G93 which was SOHC (don't even get the stupid 4G15). The JDM 4G93 was DOHC. Some of those parts are interchangeable, but nothing (really) on the USDM would work.
If you have specific questions... just ask. I'd consider myself an expert on this subject.
Also... nothing on the USDM Evo 8/9 will fit body wise or interior wise. Motor wise though... I'm sure there are a myriad of parts that can be sourced from a USDM 4G63 from the 2G Eclipse, or the Evo 8. The 9 is sort of different. Also... fwiw, when I had my E5, the USDM Evos didn't really exist... so I'm not an expert on this particular portion of what interchanges. I'd also suggest checkin out mirageforums.com (Not sure if its even still active?)... probably some great advice on there.
If you wanted my honest advice... depending on what the costs for an Evo 4 are these days (because it might actually be cheaper to buy a 4) Just build an EVO III out of a USDM Mirage (96 and earlier) and have a sick Rally car that won't matter if it breaks.
The engine and transmission on the Mirage are oriented 180* opposite and as such nothing motor or transmission will work on any RHD Evo.
If you wanted to use mirage parts you would need to swap axles, and that has a ton of things that go along with it. The good news is... you're starting at the expensive side.
The other 5th Gen Evos (the 5, 6, and 6.5 TME) are also 100% interchangeable with the 5th gen (97-01) Mirage Sedan. But those are widebody, vs. the Evo 4 which is narrow body. So basically... if you dented up your front fender on the 4, you could put a mirage fender on it (100% the same, but you'll need to pop out the sidemarker delete (its just a plastic piece) and bolt it on.
For the motor, almost nothing is interchangeable. The USDM Mirage used a 4G93 which was SOHC (don't even get the stupid 4G15). The JDM 4G93 was DOHC. Some of those parts are interchangeable, but nothing (really) on the USDM would work.
If you have specific questions... just ask. I'd consider myself an expert on this subject.
Also... nothing on the USDM Evo 8/9 will fit body wise or interior wise. Motor wise though... I'm sure there are a myriad of parts that can be sourced from a USDM 4G63 from the 2G Eclipse, or the Evo 8. The 9 is sort of different. Also... fwiw, when I had my E5, the USDM Evos didn't really exist... so I'm not an expert on this particular portion of what interchanges. I'd also suggest checkin out mirageforums.com (Not sure if its even still active?)... probably some great advice on there.
If you wanted my honest advice... depending on what the costs for an Evo 4 are these days (because it might actually be cheaper to buy a 4) Just build an EVO III out of a USDM Mirage (96 and earlier) and have a sick Rally car that won't matter if it breaks.
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A base lancer/mirage chassis is a fair bit different to an evo one, the front struts are gusseted, the rear shock towers are higher on an evo and the rear floor pan is different for the rear diff and multi-link suspension.
On the guards, the evo4 front guards are just slighty different to the base lancer/mirage guards, the arch radius is slightly larger on an evo4, it doesn't look it but if you put an evo4 front bumper on a base lancer/mirage there will be a step where the guard meets the bumper.
Engine wise, pretty much anything from the US evos will work.
Gearbox, as long as it's a 5speed you should be good, transfer case is different as the evo7-9s had a flat subframe so the output sits on top while the evo1-6s had a jump and the output is on the bottom.
On the guards, the evo4 front guards are just slighty different to the base lancer/mirage guards, the arch radius is slightly larger on an evo4, it doesn't look it but if you put an evo4 front bumper on a base lancer/mirage there will be a step where the guard meets the bumper.
Engine wise, pretty much anything from the US evos will work.
Gearbox, as long as it's a 5speed you should be good, transfer case is different as the evo7-9s had a flat subframe so the output sits on top while the evo1-6s had a jump and the output is on the bottom.
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Not sure about the fuel tank but the upper arm forward mount, the chassis one is slightly different, it sits more horizontal I believe.
Also something i've found out is the RS and GSR rear floor pan is different, the RS has extra mounts for the rear diff foward carrier, I new the RS had extra mounts on the toe control arm mounts that the GSR lacked but didn't know that the GSR lacked the extra carrier mounts.
This just means that the RS rear diff is slightly better supported than a GSR running an RS diff setup.
Also something i've found out is the RS and GSR rear floor pan is different, the RS has extra mounts for the rear diff foward carrier, I new the RS had extra mounts on the toe control arm mounts that the GSR lacked but didn't know that the GSR lacked the extra carrier mounts.
This just means that the RS rear diff is slightly better supported than a GSR running an RS diff setup.
The fuel tanks are def different because there needs to be room for all the rear hardware for the AWD. Unless we're talking about a JDM AWD Lancer. But the AWD tanks are different than the FWD tanks.
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wow. great info. i am able to get one landed/inspected/registered for around 9g's CAD. from looking at the pictures and the credibility of the shop, it sounds like a good buy.
i will keep you guys posted.
i will keep you guys posted.
Just make sure its legal and I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
Be prepared though... the earlier the Evo, the more "race car like" they are... a 4 is a far cry from an 8 or a 9.
Be prepared though... the earlier the Evo, the more "race car like" they are... a 4 is a far cry from an 8 or a 9.
Just a few things I want to note on this as I've been working on modifying Mirages for quite some time.
Just some notes on what you wrote so the correct info is out there!
To the OP, owning any older model Evo is a great expirience! They are very fun cars and they have a raw driving feel that requires more input from the driver than the newer ones do. A few things to note would be look for an RS model over the GSR. GSR's have AYC vs the RS mechanical LSD's and the AYC diff can't hold any more than 350hp without shattering, plus the feel is much better with an RS. Also, note that the Evo 4 4G63 (while being the same orientation as the 5-9) was based off of the older 180degree rotated 7 bolt engines from the 1-3 and used the same style main bearings. They are VERY prone to crankwalk, so my recommendation is to look for one that has been swapped to a 5-9 engine, or be ready to do the swap yourself WHEN it happens. (and it always will sooner or later) Other than that, it's a great car and will be alot of fun to own! 
1997-2001 Mirage Sedan is 100% interchangeable with an Evo 4 in terms of body and interior. The only difference in the Chassis is the front strut bar center mounting point.
Almost correct, there are three main differences between the Evo 4-6 and the USDM 5th gen Mirage. The rear floorpan is completely different as it's setup for the AWD system, the Evo's have a brace behind the backseat like USDM 8/9s do and also, the 4-6 have braces that connect the front strut tower to the firewall. Also there are several small body differences, but they can be corrected with JDM body panels.
The engine and transmission on the Mirage are oriented 180* opposite and as such nothing motor or transmission will work on any RHD Evo.
This is incorrect, 5G Mirages are the same engine style. The 4th Gen Mirage was this way, but it was the same chassis as the Evo 1-3 which used the same style 4G63 as can be found in 1/2G eclipses. If you want proof see my build thread in my sig.
If you wanted to use mirage parts you would need to swap axles, and that has a ton of things that go along with it. The good news is... you're starting at the expensive side.
The other 5th Gen Evos (the 5, 6, and 6.5 TME) are also 100% interchangeable with the 5th gen (97-01) Mirage Sedan. But those are widebody, vs. the Evo 4 which is narrow body. So basically... if you dented up your front fender on the 4, you could put a mirage fender on it (100% the same, but you'll need to pop out the sidemarker delete (its just a plastic piece) and bolt it on.
The first part of this is correct, the 5 and 6 are the same base chassis as the 5th gen Mirage, but the Evo 4 is also based on the 5th gen chassis and is the closest to the Mirage. You are also correct about the sidemarkers and as you can see in my build thread, it's a simple snap in install; HOWEVER, the fenders ARE NOT the same. We made the mistake of thinking this on Mirageforums.net and the Evo 4 bumper doesn't meet the fenders all the way. They look the same, but upon closer inspection you'll see that the Evo 4 fender has a larger arch to it.
For the motor, almost nothing is interchangeable. The USDM Mirage used a 4G93 which was SOHC (don't even get the stupid 4G15). The JDM 4G93 was DOHC. Some of those parts are interchangeable, but nothing (really) on the USDM would work.
Hey, I have a 4G15!
Anyway, the only DOHC 4G93 was the one in the awd Lancer GSR. (non Evo) The DOHC 4G92 is what you are thinking of, and is common overseas.
If you have specific questions... just ask. I'd consider myself an expert on this subject.
Also... nothing on the USDM Evo 8/9 will fit body wise or interior wise. Motor wise though... I'm sure there are a myriad of parts that can be sourced from a USDM 4G63 from the 2G Eclipse, or the Evo 8. The 9 is sort of different. Also... fwiw, when I had my E5, the USDM Evos didn't really exist... so I'm not an expert on this particular portion of what interchanges. I'd also suggest checkin out mirageforums.com (Not sure if its even still active?)... probably some great advice on there.
You are correct that most parts can be used from a USDM Evo 8 engine wise and you are also correct that most interior and no exterior pieces can be used from those cars either. As the 2G Eclipse engine is the older version that is rotated 180 degrees almost nothing can be used from that engine. The site you are thinking of is www.Mirageforums.net. My screenname there is the same here if the OP or anyone else is interested in learning about the Evo's 1-6.5. We have a myriad of members who are even more knowledgeable than I am!
If you wanted my honest advice... depending on what the costs for an Evo 4 are these days (because it might actually be cheaper to buy a 4) Just build an EVO III out of a USDM Mirage (96 and earlier) and have a sick Rally car that won't matter if it breaks.
One last thing, he said he was from BC Canada. It will actually be much cheaper for him to buy an Evo 4-6.5 there than to build one like we do in the states. Most people think it's a cheap and easy conversion. It's not by any means. If you do all your own work and welding it will still probably run you 20 grand to have a finished car with AWD.
Almost correct, there are three main differences between the Evo 4-6 and the USDM 5th gen Mirage. The rear floorpan is completely different as it's setup for the AWD system, the Evo's have a brace behind the backseat like USDM 8/9s do and also, the 4-6 have braces that connect the front strut tower to the firewall. Also there are several small body differences, but they can be corrected with JDM body panels.
The engine and transmission on the Mirage are oriented 180* opposite and as such nothing motor or transmission will work on any RHD Evo.
This is incorrect, 5G Mirages are the same engine style. The 4th Gen Mirage was this way, but it was the same chassis as the Evo 1-3 which used the same style 4G63 as can be found in 1/2G eclipses. If you want proof see my build thread in my sig.
If you wanted to use mirage parts you would need to swap axles, and that has a ton of things that go along with it. The good news is... you're starting at the expensive side.
The other 5th Gen Evos (the 5, 6, and 6.5 TME) are also 100% interchangeable with the 5th gen (97-01) Mirage Sedan. But those are widebody, vs. the Evo 4 which is narrow body. So basically... if you dented up your front fender on the 4, you could put a mirage fender on it (100% the same, but you'll need to pop out the sidemarker delete (its just a plastic piece) and bolt it on.
The first part of this is correct, the 5 and 6 are the same base chassis as the 5th gen Mirage, but the Evo 4 is also based on the 5th gen chassis and is the closest to the Mirage. You are also correct about the sidemarkers and as you can see in my build thread, it's a simple snap in install; HOWEVER, the fenders ARE NOT the same. We made the mistake of thinking this on Mirageforums.net and the Evo 4 bumper doesn't meet the fenders all the way. They look the same, but upon closer inspection you'll see that the Evo 4 fender has a larger arch to it.
For the motor, almost nothing is interchangeable. The USDM Mirage used a 4G93 which was SOHC (don't even get the stupid 4G15). The JDM 4G93 was DOHC. Some of those parts are interchangeable, but nothing (really) on the USDM would work.
Hey, I have a 4G15!
Anyway, the only DOHC 4G93 was the one in the awd Lancer GSR. (non Evo) The DOHC 4G92 is what you are thinking of, and is common overseas.If you have specific questions... just ask. I'd consider myself an expert on this subject.
Also... nothing on the USDM Evo 8/9 will fit body wise or interior wise. Motor wise though... I'm sure there are a myriad of parts that can be sourced from a USDM 4G63 from the 2G Eclipse, or the Evo 8. The 9 is sort of different. Also... fwiw, when I had my E5, the USDM Evos didn't really exist... so I'm not an expert on this particular portion of what interchanges. I'd also suggest checkin out mirageforums.com (Not sure if its even still active?)... probably some great advice on there.
You are correct that most parts can be used from a USDM Evo 8 engine wise and you are also correct that most interior and no exterior pieces can be used from those cars either. As the 2G Eclipse engine is the older version that is rotated 180 degrees almost nothing can be used from that engine. The site you are thinking of is www.Mirageforums.net. My screenname there is the same here if the OP or anyone else is interested in learning about the Evo's 1-6.5. We have a myriad of members who are even more knowledgeable than I am!
If you wanted my honest advice... depending on what the costs for an Evo 4 are these days (because it might actually be cheaper to buy a 4) Just build an EVO III out of a USDM Mirage (96 and earlier) and have a sick Rally car that won't matter if it breaks.
One last thing, he said he was from BC Canada. It will actually be much cheaper for him to buy an Evo 4-6.5 there than to build one like we do in the states. Most people think it's a cheap and easy conversion. It's not by any means. If you do all your own work and welding it will still probably run you 20 grand to have a finished car with AWD.
Just some notes on what you wrote so the correct info is out there!
To the OP, owning any older model Evo is a great expirience! They are very fun cars and they have a raw driving feel that requires more input from the driver than the newer ones do. A few things to note would be look for an RS model over the GSR. GSR's have AYC vs the RS mechanical LSD's and the AYC diff can't hold any more than 350hp without shattering, plus the feel is much better with an RS. Also, note that the Evo 4 4G63 (while being the same orientation as the 5-9) was based off of the older 180degree rotated 7 bolt engines from the 1-3 and used the same style main bearings. They are VERY prone to crankwalk, so my recommendation is to look for one that has been swapped to a 5-9 engine, or be ready to do the swap yourself WHEN it happens. (and it always will sooner or later) Other than that, it's a great car and will be alot of fun to own!
Last edited by Alchem1st; Sep 2, 2011 at 05:37 PM.
^ Hey thanks for sorting me out... you can see its been awhile since I've been on mirageforums.net
My user name on there is the same as well. I've been out of the game for damn near 7 years until just getting my IX...
I should pop back on there to see if some of the old heads are still around.
My user name on there is the same as well. I've been out of the game for damn near 7 years until just getting my IX...
I should pop back on there to see if some of the old heads are still around.
Yeah check it out! There's alot of the older guys still around! Some of the stuff we only found out recently like the Evo 4 fenders being different from the Mirage ones. There's been some insane builds recently too! Our research has lead to us figuring out several ways to convert to awd too! I myself am building an Evo 4 coudan with full engine and drivetrain, but I still have a long way to go!
This I'm actually not positive on. I would think that you'd be fine, because if anything the 7/8/9 oil pan would be "improved".
I can't think of anything off the top of my head on the E4 that would cause it to be different?
I'm sure if you got it from your local dealer, or went into the local dealer and asked to see one, you'd be able to tell if the exterior is any different. If they're the same, then you can buy that and a gasket. Drop your oil pan, and if the internals are drastically different, you should be able to at least use the new gasket and re-attach it, and then return the stock 9 pan. Make sense?
I'm 90% that it should work though.
Worst case scenario, there are a couple of aftermarket pans available that are nice.
I can't think of anything off the top of my head on the E4 that would cause it to be different?
I'm sure if you got it from your local dealer, or went into the local dealer and asked to see one, you'd be able to tell if the exterior is any different. If they're the same, then you can buy that and a gasket. Drop your oil pan, and if the internals are drastically different, you should be able to at least use the new gasket and re-attach it, and then return the stock 9 pan. Make sense?
I'm 90% that it should work though.
Worst case scenario, there are a couple of aftermarket pans available that are nice.
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