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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 07:12 PM
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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Well I perfer Shearer manifolds over the others I've seen. Im not going to be one of the guys who claims only 3k miles on mine like every one in the forsale section. Ive got well over 15k miles and it's the same as the BR tube mani's so a starting price on a steel one at $1100 up to however much the Ti ones cost isn't worth it IMHO also there is a science to how a mani is made to get the lengths right to time the pulse for optimum performance. With that being said what has ET done to test out theres and many other combos?

Yes Shearer manifolds are nice....They make Buschurs manis I believe. And I don't know what testing they have done. Nor do I know what testing any company has done on their 4g63 manifolds. I do assume that the top companies perform testing though.
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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toxicfabs manifolds are also looking like a very quality product
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 08:01 PM
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I have no idea how this thread isn't closed...Or why anyone on evom would do business with BR or AWD....I come from an old school chevy background where respect and customer service are just as important as the quality of the product. If you can't get respect and customer service from one place then another will respect you and deliver you a quality product. People don't stay on top forever, it's the way competition and business goes. Eventually wether it be Spyros or not, David Buschur will not be on top. On a side note I love how David is taking his time on showing that another shop has done something that Spyros has done.... Video is posted of a spyrods built EVO that can hit 11k rpm. DB post's John Sheps DSM....Spyros posts his manifolds that are now available to the public...And DB posts ramdom picutures of some shop a thousand+ miles away from him. ET parts are now available to the public, and he is building a US car. STFU and we will see what it can do.
I think you may be the one who needs to STFU being that you have NO IDEA what your talking about as far as customer service goes..

2nd nobody ever said Buschur or myself will be on top forever.. we all will get old and gray and maybe even bored after a while and pass the torch.. Im already bored with drag racing.. thats why i have a road race evo now.. and im not on top.. Im probably on the very bottom but i dont care its what i enjoy doing.. As for now BR is on top in many aspects.. His engine still sent the quickest and fastest AWD 4g63 powered car down the track.. If spyros builds a 4g63 that runs 7.7 ill close my shop.. Take a picture of this post for future reference..

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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jonzie04
There are lots of people, they are either A- afraid to say something due to being afraid to get banned. Or B- Have said something and have been banned for "vendor bashing" and their posts have been deleted. I personally know a few people who have spoken to David Buschur on the phone and he has cussed at both of them.

Edit: Also I'm glad you had a good experience, and I'm sure your car is nice. And actually to be honest I guess it isn't fair that I included AWD in the rant as I don't know anyone who has had any experience with them. However from reading this thread, It is very clear that Mike at AWD...Is a *****.
Im glad that i came across as a ***** in this thread.. It ensures someone as stupid as you wont call the shop asking to talk to Mike for advice..
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 08:03 PM
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 08:05 PM
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 08:11 PM
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I personally think that Dave Buschur makes a lot of great products that I use, I have learned a lot about this platform from his posts, and generally think he's someone that I'd get along with well in real life. I beg to differ with him on a few subjects, and the thing that sucks with this forum is that it's so vendor-controlled, I'm hesitant to post information that may go against something that he may suggest. However, unlike most, I can back up my claims with hard evidence.

With that said, I think Buschur is good stuff and is a huge, positive member of this community. However, I've never been a part of a community where there is an underlying fear of helping others...at the expense of getting punished by someone that 'outranks' you on the forum. I'm not pointing the finger at one person...I' m pointing it at the community. The members that blindly follow a 'shop' becuase they have a decal and a miracle pass under their belt are just as bad, if not worse.
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports
I think you may be the one who needs to STFU being that you have NO IDEA what your talking about as far as customer service goes..

2nd nobody ever said Buschur or myself will be on top forever.. we all will get old and gray and maybe even bored after a while and pass the torch.. Im already bored with drag racing.. thats why i have a road race evo now.. and im not on top.. Im probably on the very bottom but i dont care its what i enjoy doing.. As for now BR is on top in many aspects.. His engine still sent the quickest and fastest AWD 4g63 powered car down the track.. If spyros builds a 4g63 that runs 7.7 ill close my shop.. Take a picture of this post for future reference..

Mike
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboTravis
I personally think that Dave Buschur makes a lot of great products that I use, I have learned a lot about this platform from his posts, and generally think he's someone that I'd get along with well in real life. I beg to differ with him on a few subjects, and the thing that sucks with this forum is that it's so vendor-controlled, I'm hesitant to post information that may go against something that he may suggest. However, unlike most, I can back up my claims with hard evidence.

With that said, I think Buschur is good stuff and is a huge, positive member of this community. However, I've never been a part of a community where there is an underlying fear of helping others...at the expense of getting punished by someone that 'outranks' you on the forum. I'm not pointing the finger at one person...I' m pointing it at the community. The members that blindly follow a 'shop' becuase they have a decal and a miracle pass under their belt are just as bad, if not worse.
oh my good lord..
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kaylabaldwin
oh my good lord..
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It's common knowledge that this is somewhat of a censored community.

AWD, Buschur, STM, etc are not gods to me. They are good people that like me can be wrong. Hell, just a few weeks ago I corrected STM on the safety wire on the small brake kit (I'm an aircraft mechanic that has safety wired for 13 years daily). They took my advice. I also bought the kit...
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports
I think you may be the one who needs to STFU being that you have NO IDEA what your talking about as far as customer service goes..

2nd nobody ever said Buschur or myself will be on top forever.. we all will get old and gray and maybe even bored after a while and pass the torch.. Im already bored with drag racing.. thats why i have a road race evo now.. and im not on top.. Im probably on the very bottom but i dont care its what i enjoy doing.. As for now BR is on top in many aspects.. His engine still sent the quickest and fastest AWD 4g63 powered car down the track.. If spyros builds a 4g63 that runs 7.7 ill close my shop.. Take a picture of this post for future reference..

Mike

Customer service goes much farther than paying "out of pocket" to fix an engine that was built with the pistons installed backwards.


Extreme tuners has some quality parts that neither you, nor buschur has built. If you could see past the twinkie in front of your face and would stop playing teeter totter on David Buschurs nut sack then you would see that Extreme tuners has produced some quality parts that will be needed to power a 4g63 faster than 7.7. It is obvious that ET hasn't built cars to go down the quarter mile. The world isn't flat Mike and Drag racing/Road racing isn't the only way to measure a pp.
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 09:57 PM
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 09:59 PM
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This isn't bashing anyone, I just think people are looking at the video in the wrong way... The 870hp at 14psi is way more impressive than the 11k rev. It isn't said what dyno this was on, if it was a engine dyno, which he uses often, or a dynopack/dynojet/mustang, or any proof that it did make this power.

He is after 60-130 times and if he gets anywhere near the low 3 second times as he claims, that puts him in the 1200-1500awhp range of the TT Lambos and AMS/Switzer GTRs, especially at 3300lbs. I don't see it happening with anything short of a 285 tire if he plans on using a "street" tire. I would be interested in what it takes to get our cars to do a 4.59 60-130 in a full weight car. After all, all the other car platforms use the 60-130 times as records, why don't we? If you look up 60-130 times and on dragtimes it shows the MPH and they are 140+ in the 1/4 mile and other sites cars in that range are in the 900hp area. Of course these are different cars but it takes real power, or good power and traction, to do it. How many of you guys run 140+ at just 14psi? Then how many of you weigh 3300lbs? But then again there is no proof of the weight of his vehicle or if these times were actually accomplished or just claimed, so my argument might be bad in the first place.

The traction issue might be solved by the stand alone he runs that has traction control by boost/rpm/gear. The size of the tire/compound was never disclosed.

His gear ratios look really short and very similar to stock gearing besides the RPMs.

The Subaru running 9.2@162 when no one state side has ran that, in a Subaru, short of a drag car. That's impressive for a Subaru and faster, not quicker but the 1.76 60' can't help the cause, than every "street" Evo on here.

I just wish he would have some updates soon to either prove that he knows what he is doing or to stop this debate.

Also, who cares what he was doing 20 years ago, he was probably doing 1/4 of million dollar engines for Formula 1, Indy, WRC etc. How many shops here can say that they have 2 million dollars in CNC machines in their shop? Besides AMS and they hold a couple records of their own on multiple platforms.

To end this rant, all this is about is a new guy with a lot of claimed experience in other platforms and tons and tons of money. 99% of his builds are not for the general public, who would run 13:1 compression on 91-93 octane? He is a claiming a lot with little proof and doesn't care to give proof to everyone about it, dynos have been proven to be manipulated for years, ask DG Motors or TTP about it. If his statements are true about his background and everything, he is probably in an income level that we all wish we were at. How many people can say they BUILT an engine/ECM for a Formula 1, Indy, WRC? He has people on here with years of experience in other fields, engineers and such, impressed with his parts, technical talk and knowledge. Again, there is just way too much left off that everyone can argue about and there is no proof of anything, all claims. Until there is proof, there is a reason to be skeptical and question his motives. He also isn't interested in making tons of money off of people or his site would be functional, not that most of us could afford a billet block or titanium valves, crank or cams. I will stick to my Buschur Racing parts for proven performance.
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 10:19 PM
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I've experienced some things recently that made me realize this forum is heavily controlled and there really isn't free speech on here.

That being said......bottom line is until an ET built car does SOMETHING........you guys calling BR out for hating and whatnot really have no leg to stand on.

All we've seen are pictures, numbers (unconfirmable) and a cool video. All ET has to do is run a car using their parts down a drag strip or on a US race course or strap it to a dynojet.

Nothing they've done is confirmable. Nothing. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd.

And for the poster that said drag racing isn't the only purpose......wtf else would you need 1200HP +.......to Auto-x.......GTFOH
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