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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 02:45 PM
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Not sure why Evo owners get so upset about people pointing out that it is in fact, a Lancer, and despite all the power train upgrades, it is based on a base model cheap economy Lancer. It borrows many components, including doors, dashboard, fit and finish of interior materials, and even a few drive train components here and there.

Having a purpose built race car interior and ergonomics (such as a McLaren F1) is much different then having an economy car interior and ergonomics (such as the Lancer Evolution).
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by highlyevolved
Not sure why Evo owners get so upset about people pointing out that it is in fact, a Lancer, and despite all the power train upgrades, it is based on a base model cheap economy Lancer. It borrows many components, including doors, dashboard, fit and finish of interior materials, and even a few drive train components here and there.
Yes, the Evo shares its front door skins, its trunk lid, and its interior trim with the Lancer, just as every homologated rally car shares something with its pedestrian namesake. Your point is, what, the name makes the car?

Having a purpose built race car interior and ergonomics (such as a McLaren F1) is much different then having an economy car interior and ergonomics (such as the Lancer Evolution).
Interior, really? This is why one buys a car of this sort? On this planet? And, what is lacking? The styling is purposeful and streamlined, there no fruffy extras to cloud the car's focus, the materials themselves are of fairly high quality, and the instrument cluster is as driver-centered as anything. It's not a bespoke interior, one would certainly agree. I just don't know how that figures into the equation.

The ergonomics - ie. the relationship between the driver and his inputs - are some of the best I've encountered in +30 years behind the wheel. Granted, it's a subjective evaluation, but that's what an ergonomic assessment actually is - subjective.

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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 03:21 PM
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completely agree. well said fjf ^^^
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FJF
Yes, the Evo shares its front door skins, its trunk lid, and its interior trim with the Lancer, just as every homologated rally car shares something with its pedestrian namesake. Your point is, what, the name makes the car?

Interior, really? This is why one buys a car of this sort? On this planet? And, what is lacking? The styling is purposeful and streamlined, there no fruffy extras to cloud the car's focus, the materials themselves are of fairly high quality, and the instrument cluster is as driver-centered as anything. It's not a bespoke interior, one would certainly agree. I just don't know how that figures into the equation.

The ergonomics - ie. the relationship between the driver and his inputs - are some of the best I've encountered in +30 years behind the wheel. Granted, it's a subjective evaluation, but that's what an ergonomic assessment actually is - subjective.
No my point was just it is based off a cheap economy sedan. The lady doth protest too much
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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^ Haha, yes, compared to the Mclaren the lancer interior is crap. But I'd expect one hell of an interior if I paid more for my car than I paid for my house.
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 05:37 PM
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Taken from Car and Driver review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

Here are the facts. You decide.

An Evolution body shell is just a humdrum Lancer until workers at Mitsubishi's Mizushima factory weld in the numerous steel body stiffeners. They include a V-brace behind the back bench (thus, no folding rear seats); extra gussets in the windshield base, door pillars, and trunk; additional spot welds on the strut towers and rear-suspension attachment points; and a tubular front strut tower brace that is tied into the cowl at a reinforced bracket.

The extra material doubles the Evo's torsional rigidity to stem twisting and reduces body flexing by 65 percent over the base Lancer, Mitsubishi says. A Viagra the size of a hockey puck couldn't make this car any stiffer.
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 06:19 PM
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This is a good thread.

I'll share my own experience with the Evo. I've loved it from day one. Never plan to sell it. Caught the modding bug like most. First TBE, boost controller, tune. Then two years of reading on here and imaging what it would feel like with 400+ whp on pump gas. It would be like the fastest car in the world, man.

BBK Full, supporting mods and a lot of headache later, the car is right where I wanted to be power-wise. Do I enjoy it more? Yeah but honestly, not much. Now that I have the power I realize how rarely I ever use it. The car is almost too fast now from a legal point of view. Cruising on the highway, dip into boost to pass someone and suddenly I'm going fast enough to rack up a misdemeanor speeding charge in this state (it's only 25 over, by the way ).

The funny part is that this new thought process goes right out the window when an 03 Cobra or something revs at me at a light. Then to hell with money and suddenly I'm e-mailing Buschur to ask how much a 2.3 build would cost me (this actually happened). But I know now that even after that build, it still won't be everything I want it to be. And it never will be if I compare it to everything under the sun.

I agree with the guy who advised you to get the GT3 if it's what you really want. Hell, a 996 GT3 is probably the #1 car on my list right now. Not because it's the fastest. I could beat one with my car as it is now. But a buddy of mine has a 997 C4S with almost straight pipes and boy, does it make our cars sound like crap.
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 06:36 PM
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I agree with the guy who advised you to get the GT3 if it's what you really want. Hell, a 996 GT3 is probably the #1 car on my list right now. Not because it's the fastest. I could beat one with my car as it is now. But a buddy of mine has a 997 C4S with almost straight pipes and boy, does it make our cars sound like crap.
At the end of the day, go with your gut. There are different cars out there for different people. The Evo is everything I want in a car, and honestly if I had a GT3RS I would be missing the back seats, trunk, and civility of the Evo and would be posting on the Porsche forum about how you can't try to make the GT3RS the car you really want

It's not like GT3s are so unattainable either. The 997 GT3RSs are already dipping below 100k and the 996s are about the same as a fully loaded Evo MR. Wait until the 991 GT3 comes out and I'm sure the 997s will drop significantly.
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Teal2nnr
^^ Always wanted to build a Datsun 510....put in an SR 20 or some variant....beauty

Or even...dare i say...build a moddied 2dr Volvo 240, something about them i like, they're so ugly they're beautiful
DUDE. My dad LOVES the 240. I've seen some really nice ones that i know he would absolutely LOVE. I forgot about those. I loved his 81 240 GLT. Man it was sick. Silver with blue interior.
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by highlyevolved

It's not like GT3s are so unattainable either. The 997 GT3RSs are already dipping below 100k and the 996s are about the same as a fully loaded Evo MR. Wait until the 991 GT3 comes out and I'm sure the 997s will drop significantly.
LOL. Really. 100k is attainable. Man I want your job. LOL.
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Old Jan 20, 2012 | 09:38 PM
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LOL. Really. 100k is attainable. Man I want your job. LOL.
Well I meant the 996 GT3s are attainable at half that, and once the 991 GT3s are out the 997 GT3s will probably be at a similar level. My point was depreciation seems to hit these cars rather hard, not that 100k is really an attainable level.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by njboy
A Viagra the size of a hockey puck couldn't make this car any stiffer.
In fairness, a cage totally changes the car. It's unbelievably stiff with a bolt-in cage and stitch welding, but I'm still giggling about the giant Viagra.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
I guess i am in the minority here, too...

Purchased my EVO brand new in 2004 and it is still my fav car 8 years and over 100k miles later. I've had faster and more powerfully cars, but none bring me the same joy the evo does.

Its almost totally stock too, in the power department.

What keeps the love affair going... track days! These cars really are amazing when taken to the track. If you've lost that 'thrill' feeling you aren't driving it right. Do a track day and pass a few +$100k cars and you'll be in love all over again.
Exactly, track days, its an all round amazing rally car, take it the track and pass lambos, ferraris, porsche etc.

I dont mean to offend anybody but IMO most of you yanks use the evo for the wrong thing DRAG, it wasn't designed or engineered for going really fast in a straight line (yawn). Its a AWD monster that can dominate a special rally stage, dirt, tarmac, gravel, snow, sleet, etc. It loves corners and is a great track car, heck my fq320(tuned to 356bhp) can give most 100k cars a run for their money at the track.

Hey, but each to your own, if you want to make the evo a drag car, all the power to you.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 05:57 AM
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Great thread. I wanted my EVO since the day it came out, worked my *** off and eventually got it. My dream car. Since then caught the modifying bug and and after two years of figuring out what I wanted the car to be am finally at the point when time and finances allow me to build the car I've always wanted. Problem is over that time (years in a lot of our cases) and as we get older, as others have said, priorities kind of change. Am i going to continue the build? Absolutely. Not so much to satisfy the bug anymore but because I feel i owe it to myself to complete something ive wanted so much for so long.

So in a few months I'll have my ultimate evo sitting in the garage, ironically probably only to be brought out on sunny afternoons and for the occasional track day while i save up to put an RS5 next to it

Would never sell it though, and i think theres something to be said for the satisfaction of creating something for yourself.
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Old Jan 21, 2012 | 07:21 AM
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Well I love my GTR more than my 800hp evo , I wished I would of done it sooner 200% more happy in a stock GTR than a high power evo
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