Originally Posted by johnnnyjeans

please do not get the ebay intercooler. wait another month. save up another couple of $$$. get the ETS.

Im getting the ETS in a few months. currently stock evo 8.

Originally Posted by hermin0000

So you have never used an ebay intercooler AND never used an ets, but here you are on this thread giving advice? hmm....

I absolutely LOVE my treadstone TR12 and so does everyone I have talked to running one. I had to turn my boost controller down upon installing because it flowed so much better than stock. Almost no heatsoak ever is pretty legit. They really stand behind their products too (pressure checked to 150psi and come with a 1-year warranty).

I am not standing for all ebay products here, but I think you can find them on ebay. They do have a legit site and are a company who have been around for a very long time. I got mine for $300 shipped to my door.

Here are the specs:
Core Size, 12.5" X 22" X 3.5"
Overall lenght 30"
Less than 2psi pressure drop at max flow
3" inlet/outlet
3.5" core, 1142 CFM flow rate, 760hp efficient, 1.5psi drop



$700 seems outrageously high for a good cooler. You can listen to people like johnnyjeans who like giving advice without any experience or you can take it from the people who are actually running the tread stone coolers. Your choice.

Anyway, I'm feeling really patriotic right now. I love

Originally Posted by bjax4B11T

The link below is pretty much the greatest illustration of ebay vs a company such as ETS or AMS even if its used. The ebay people dont care what they make, as long as it looks like itll work and they can get past the 14-day return policies. Save for a good quality product or dont expect much out of your build.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...mpetition.html

Originally Posted by David Buschur

Here you go, we finally did it. I hope everyone is happy now. I know I am.

My car is on the dyno making huge power, 640 whp with the new HTA35R on it. We have our Race FMIC on it which I say is the best FMIC you can buy with your hard earned money. The tempurature today is 62 degrees F in our dyno room.


Here is the important data:

Air temp after the intercooler at the start of the pull, 62.60 degrees.
Air temp after the intercooler at the end of the pull, 69.80 degrees.
Increase in air temp 7.2 degrees.
Peak boost was 40.3 psi.

We then bolted on the Ebay special that is an AMS attempted copy. Absolutely NO changes were made to anything other than bolting on the I/C.

Car made 633 whp and 505 ft lbs of torque. So not a bad loss at this HP level.

Here is the BAD part.

Air temp after the intercooler at the start of the pull, 62.60 degrees.
Air temp after the intercooler at the end of the pull, 122 degrees!! That is an increase in air temp of 59.4 degrees in a single gear pull!
Peak boost went up which I find strange as it hit 42.1.

The knock count went up considerably with these higher air temps. To run the car safely I would need to pull atleast a few degrees of timing.

**So in summary the intercooler with 2 more psi boost made 10 less whp than our Race FMIC at that is at big HP levels. The problem is the intercooler is NOT EFFICIENT AT REMOVING HEAT. Which is what it is there for. I am betting the stock FMIC is not much worse than this. An increase of 59.4 degrees is absolutely HUGE in a single gear pull. On a summer day or road race/autocross situation this intercooler would absolutely SUCK.

Bottom line is, you get what you pay for and buying one of these I do not think is a good investment of your money.

Originally Posted by Roadrunr

I would not spend my hard earned money on an intercooler from EBay. I am confused that anyone with the ability to read the above would do so. They may look good, but do not use the Garrett Core which is most the expense of a quality intercooler.
Don

Originally Posted by hermin0000

Strange it doesn't have a brand for the FMIC. Yes some of them are outrageously horrible non bar and plate design. I have laughed at some of the ebay cores. In my, as well as others experience, treadstone makes quality products that they stand by without having to pay $700. Bar and plate is bar and plate. If you want to spend BIG money go for it.