View Poll Results: Choose which ones will influence your decision
Wow, 300hp, 300 ft-lbs from 2.5L Subaru boxer engine
152
22.25%
Proven tuning potential of the Mitsubishi 4G63
355
51.98%
Subaru\'s strong 6-speed manual tranny
138
20.20%
Mitsubishi\'s dependable 5-speed tranny
109
15.96%
DCCD on the STi... wish Evo had ACD
132
19.33%
Stock FMIC on the Evo
164
24.01%
Exterior looks
305
44.66%
Interior quality
148
21.67%
Gross Vehicle Weight
79
11.57%
I want to test drive both before deciding
165
24.16%
Price
261
38.21%
Body Shell Rigidity
133
19.47%
Brakes
163
23.87%
0 - 60 mph and 1/4 mile times
201
29.43%
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Evo vs. STI | Anything and Everything [ALL THREADS MERGED]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Any EVO owners driven an STI?
Originally posted by Kayaalp
That's quite surprising. I've driven WRX's and STi's on the track, as have many of my friends who are also driving instructors. We all agree that the WRX and STi just keep understeering like crazy. You enter the turn and understeer. You keep pressing the gas, you REALLY understeer. You lift and get back on the gas and you still understeer. The only way to get the STi to oversteer was to give it a flick...which is obviously not something you're going to do on a road circuit! Besides, the STi is so messy on the limit that you just can't throw it around like that with any real confidence. You can't take the same liberties with it as you can with the Evo.
The Evo, by contrast, has some initial understeer on turn in (which I understand can be dialed out by careful alignment), then transitions to neutral when you apply more throttle. It may have a 50:50 torque split to start, but once you get it turned in and get on the gas it seems to send ALL it's power to the rear wheels. You can really throttle steer this car! If you really want to get crazy, the "lift-turn-get on the throttle" trick gets the back to step out nicely and sets you up for a smooth drift. The car has so much poise on the limit that you can really fool around without getting into too much trouble.
Emre
That's quite surprising. I've driven WRX's and STi's on the track, as have many of my friends who are also driving instructors. We all agree that the WRX and STi just keep understeering like crazy. You enter the turn and understeer. You keep pressing the gas, you REALLY understeer. You lift and get back on the gas and you still understeer. The only way to get the STi to oversteer was to give it a flick...which is obviously not something you're going to do on a road circuit! Besides, the STi is so messy on the limit that you just can't throw it around like that with any real confidence. You can't take the same liberties with it as you can with the Evo.
The Evo, by contrast, has some initial understeer on turn in (which I understand can be dialed out by careful alignment), then transitions to neutral when you apply more throttle. It may have a 50:50 torque split to start, but once you get it turned in and get on the gas it seems to send ALL it's power to the rear wheels. You can really throttle steer this car! If you really want to get crazy, the "lift-turn-get on the throttle" trick gets the back to step out nicely and sets you up for a smooth drift. The car has so much poise on the limit that you can really fool around without getting into too much trouble.
Emre
well i definitely can't say i have much experience in either of the two, i havent even had the evo 2 weeks, and that was my first real run with it yesterday.. and just the one quick run up the hill with the STi.. but i definitely agree with you about how you can't take the same liberties with it as the evo! maybe it was just how i was driving it yesterday, but definitely could feel the back end getting out on me.. its also stage 1 sti, so quite a bit more power than mine.. but next time i take it out i'll try and feel it out some more.. it really was too quick to really get a good idea.... (5 mins up a twisty hill).. also just curious what you mean by 'lift' thanks!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Any EVO owners driven an STI?
Originally posted by reefro
just curious what you mean by 'lift' thanks!!!
just curious what you mean by 'lift'
thanks!!!
Emre
Evolving Member
Joined: Jul 2003
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From: San Diego
Originally posted by MP5
That talked about all creature comfots and no performance- Sure you didnt stroll into the Subaru dealer thinking it was an Audi dealer?
That talked about all creature comfots and no performance- Sure you didnt stroll into the Subaru dealer thinking it was an Audi dealer?
Newbie
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 39
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From: Malaysia
Evo Vs. STi
I did manage to test drive the STi Version 8 for about a half hour. To say that it's better than the Evo or equal would be unfair though the sound of the boxer engine has a lovely beat to it. However, the turbo lag is very noticeable and in terms of handling and outright power the Evo is better. The Evo makes for a very good everyday car as well as a track day blasting car. The STi is noticeably smaller in size as well. I'd go for the Evo any day.
www.SpeedXS.com - Center for Japanese Peformance Cars
www.SpeedXS.com - Center for Japanese Peformance Cars
Re: Evo Vs. STi
Originally posted by Vaievo7
I did manage to test drive the STi Version 8 for about a half hour. To say that it's better than the Evo or equal would be unfair though the sound of the boxer engine has a lovely beat to it. However, the turbo lag is very noticeable and in terms of handling and outright power the Evo is better. The Evo makes for a very good everyday car as well as a track day blasting car. The STi is noticeably smaller in size as well. I'd go for the Evo any day.
www.SpeedXS.com - Center for Japanese Peformance Cars
I did manage to test drive the STi Version 8 for about a half hour. To say that it's better than the Evo or equal would be unfair though the sound of the boxer engine has a lovely beat to it. However, the turbo lag is very noticeable and in terms of handling and outright power the Evo is better. The Evo makes for a very good everyday car as well as a track day blasting car. The STi is noticeably smaller in size as well. I'd go for the Evo any day.
www.SpeedXS.com - Center for Japanese Peformance Cars
Evolving Member
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 182
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From: California Love
STI
The sti got grunt and you can feel it instantly, steering feels a bit heavy, the spoiler is alot taller than evo, understeer is noticable @ test drive.
evo
You can throw the steering wheel left to right and the evo will follow, spoiler is not as high as sti but still blocks your way, and you wont feel power until 3000 rpm.
The sti got grunt and you can feel it instantly, steering feels a bit heavy, the spoiler is alot taller than evo, understeer is noticable @ test drive.
evo
You can throw the steering wheel left to right and the evo will follow, spoiler is not as high as sti but still blocks your way, and you wont feel power until 3000 rpm.
Evolving Member
Joined: Dec 2003
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From: i can't speel or tyep
i can dial out understeer in my sti by messing with the dccd(driver controlled center diff) if you put more power to the back,fwd,lock it, or put it in auto there are worlds of difference in handling . i don;t think alot of people even use it in handling tests.not to mention lowering 1.5 inches made a HUGE difference as well...both are great cars. it's funny someone mentioned it's smaller, i never really noticed until i parked next to a white evo yesterday,looks like you guys got more room inside if you plan to mod right away, i say go evo, alot more available as of now. ...as for the spoiler, got rid of mine and went spoilerless.
if you plan to mod right away, i say go evo, alot more available as of now. ...as for the spoiler, got rid of mine and went spoilerless.
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Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 363
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From: Singapore
Got the movie downloaded, and watched. its GREAT, holy crap DOWNLOAD THIS COMPARISON!!!
"If i wanted a car for everyday driving, i'd choose the audi [s4 i think], then subaru, then the mitsubishi.........BUT, were not talking about vacum cleaners here...were talking about FUN [points straight at the EVO8] with a capital E. So it would be that one[ The evo8] ..BY A MILE"
"If i wanted a car for everyday driving, i'd choose the audi [s4 i think], then subaru, then the mitsubishi.........BUT, were not talking about vacum cleaners here...were talking about FUN [points straight at the EVO8] with a capital E. So it would be that one[ The evo8] ..BY A MILE"
