View Poll Results: Choose which ones will influence your decision
Wow, 300hp, 300 ft-lbs from 2.5L Subaru boxer engine
152
22.25%
Proven tuning potential of the Mitsubishi 4G63
355
51.98%
Subaru\'s strong 6-speed manual tranny
138
20.20%
Mitsubishi\'s dependable 5-speed tranny
109
15.96%
DCCD on the STi... wish Evo had ACD
132
19.33%
Stock FMIC on the Evo
164
24.01%
Exterior looks
305
44.66%
Interior quality
148
21.67%
Gross Vehicle Weight
79
11.57%
I want to test drive both before deciding
165
24.16%
Price
261
38.21%
Body Shell Rigidity
133
19.47%
Brakes
163
23.87%
0 - 60 mph and 1/4 mile times
201
29.43%
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Evo vs. STI | Anything and Everything [ALL THREADS MERGED]
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From: SoCAL
Re: STi fan sell his soul to EVO
Originally posted by IS2000
I went to my Subaru dealer today and my salesman told me he will sell the car on 1st come 1st serve basis. 25 Serious buyers are on the list, and they will get like 5-6 cars for the rest of the year. Well, maybe I'll wait until next year, but now I got to have my toy.
It's a white EVO8
I went to my Subaru dealer today and my salesman told me he will sell the car on 1st come 1st serve basis. 25 Serious buyers are on the list, and they will get like 5-6 cars for the rest of the year. Well, maybe I'll wait until next year, but now I got to have my toy.
It's a white EVO8
devil?!j/k, if i had the money for either the sti or the evo, i would have a REALLY tough time deciding between the two! screw product loyalty, i want a great car
especially the white... white evos look damn nice!
greg
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Why do people frown at lack of AYC?
This is a blessing guys. All my Japanese friends who are into cars are green with envy (I lived there for 10 years).
Japanese purists seem to hate the AYC on the Evo VIII... Guess it gets in the way. No one seems to like it...
This is a blessing guys. All my Japanese friends who are into cars are green with envy (I lived there for 10 years).
Japanese purists seem to hate the AYC on the Evo VIII... Guess it gets in the way. No one seems to like it...
Originally posted by 909
same story here, gave up on the STi and will be picking up my blue Evo tomorrow!!
Like what Willie said, I don't like the non-JDM 2.5 litre engine with funky injectors, ECU, Turbo (VF39 smaller than the VF30) and Intercooler. I would like the option to go beyond a simple boost controller, exhaust and intake upgrade. Sure they will have parts for the 2.5 in years to come, chances are, they're non-JDM.
It was a very difficult decision..until the discovery of the components of the USDM STi.
Sure both the STi and Evo have strengths and weaknesses:
I frown at the Evo interior, lack of AYC/ACD and lack of 6-speed and love the Evo Recaros, Wheels, Rear Spoiler
I hate the USDM STi Engine, STi wheels but love the interior, 6 speed and DCCD.
Engine is probably the most important factor that has a huge weight in my decision. My choice is clearly the Evo, not to mention the great price I'll be paying for my Evo, $29,000 plus a $500 college graduate rebate, bringing the price down to approximately $28,500 before taxes.
same story here, gave up on the STi and will be picking up my blue Evo tomorrow!!
Like what Willie said, I don't like the non-JDM 2.5 litre engine with funky injectors, ECU, Turbo (VF39 smaller than the VF30) and Intercooler. I would like the option to go beyond a simple boost controller, exhaust and intake upgrade. Sure they will have parts for the 2.5 in years to come, chances are, they're non-JDM.
It was a very difficult decision..until the discovery of the components of the USDM STi.
Sure both the STi and Evo have strengths and weaknesses:
I frown at the Evo interior, lack of AYC/ACD and lack of 6-speed and love the Evo Recaros, Wheels, Rear Spoiler
I hate the USDM STi Engine, STi wheels but love the interior, 6 speed and DCCD.
Engine is probably the most important factor that has a huge weight in my decision. My choice is clearly the Evo, not to mention the great price I'll be paying for my Evo, $29,000 plus a $500 college graduate rebate, bringing the price down to approximately $28,500 before taxes.
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Originally posted by kurichan
Why do people frown at lack of AYC?
Why do people frown at lack of AYC?
Originally posted by kurichan
This is a blessing guys. All my Japanese friends who are into cars are green with envy (I lived there for 10 years).
Japanese purists seem to hate the AYC on the Evo VIII... Guess it gets in the way. No one seems to like it...
This is a blessing guys. All my Japanese friends who are into cars are green with envy (I lived there for 10 years).
Japanese purists seem to hate the AYC on the Evo VIII... Guess it gets in the way. No one seems to like it...
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Originally posted by Willie
Reason go to EVO 1 : 2.5 litre actually turn me off a bit even its come with 300 hp and 300 ft/lb of torque , so far i know is different Intercooler , turbo , injector , Ecu and the japan STI have 8000 rpm to play with but USDM only have 7000 rpm , seems kinda weird for me , sweet part is six spd with dccd .
Reason go to EVO 2 : Everything on EVO is so J-spec except AYC and ACD , but the mitsu dealer offer me $28500 on the Evo and i save $3300 with tax compare to the STI , plus if STI the first thing i will do is the stereo , once you spend of course have to be decent , so looking arround $1500 there , and Evo already come with it even though is not fancy but i can live with that .
Willie
Reason go to EVO 1 : 2.5 litre actually turn me off a bit even its come with 300 hp and 300 ft/lb of torque , so far i know is different Intercooler , turbo , injector , Ecu and the japan STI have 8000 rpm to play with but USDM only have 7000 rpm , seems kinda weird for me , sweet part is six spd with dccd .
Reason go to EVO 2 : Everything on EVO is so J-spec except AYC and ACD , but the mitsu dealer offer me $28500 on the Evo and i save $3300 with tax compare to the STI , plus if STI the first thing i will do is the stereo , once you spend of course have to be decent , so looking arround $1500 there , and Evo already come with it even though is not fancy but i can live with that .
Willie
Originally posted by 909
Like what Willie said, I don't like the non-JDM 2.5 litre engine with funky injectors, ECU, Turbo (VF39 smaller than the VF30) and Intercooler. I would like the option to go beyond a simple boost controller, exhaust and intake upgrade. Sure they will have parts for the 2.5 in years to come, chances are, they're non-JDM.
I hate the USDM STi Engine, STi wheels but love the interior, 6 speed and DCCD.
Like what Willie said, I don't like the non-JDM 2.5 litre engine with funky injectors, ECU, Turbo (VF39 smaller than the VF30) and Intercooler. I would like the option to go beyond a simple boost controller, exhaust and intake upgrade. Sure they will have parts for the 2.5 in years to come, chances are, they're non-JDM.
I hate the USDM STi Engine, STi wheels but love the interior, 6 speed and DCCD.
If we have the “exact” JDM Sti in U.S, I guess it will have trouble revving to 8000rpm due to detonation or the ecu will retard the timing automatically so it will be much less powerful. So, if 2.5L is the reliable way to produce 300hp on 91 octanes of gas, why not?
(Aftermarket parts do not count because they do not have to deal with warranty issue)
I have a lot of respect for Evo, but I really don’t like that Mitsubishi was sending ringer cars for magazine for testing purpose. Mitsubishi cheats, and they thought we are stupid to believe that.
-Bryan
Re: STi fan sell his soul to EVO
Originally posted by IS2000
I went to my Subaru dealer today and my salesman told me he will sell the car on 1st come 1st serve basis. 25 Serious buyers are on the list, and they will get like 5-6 cars for the rest of the year. Well, maybe I'll wait until next year, but now I got to have my toy.
It's a white EVO8
I went to my Subaru dealer today and my salesman told me he will sell the car on 1st come 1st serve basis. 25 Serious buyers are on the list, and they will get like 5-6 cars for the rest of the year. Well, maybe I'll wait until next year, but now I got to have my toy.
It's a white EVO8
Never look back.
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Originally posted by Diuney888
I think maybe you guys should think another direction for Sti. I actually appreciate the 2.5L engine that Subaru’s doing because we have crappy gas here in U.S. In Japan, 95 or higher octane of gas is everywhere.
If we have the “exact?JDM Sti in U.S, I guess it will have trouble revving to 8000rpm due to detonation or the ecu will retard the timing automatically so it will be much less powerful. So, if 2.5L is the reliable way to produce 300hp on 91 octanes of gas, why not?
(Aftermarket parts do not count because they do not have to deal with warranty issue)
I have a lot of respect for Evo, but I really don’t like that Mitsubishi was sending ringer cars for magazine for testing purpose. Mitsubishi cheats, and they thought we are stupid to believe that.
-Bryan
I think maybe you guys should think another direction for Sti. I actually appreciate the 2.5L engine that Subaru’s doing because we have crappy gas here in U.S. In Japan, 95 or higher octane of gas is everywhere.
If we have the “exact?JDM Sti in U.S, I guess it will have trouble revving to 8000rpm due to detonation or the ecu will retard the timing automatically so it will be much less powerful. So, if 2.5L is the reliable way to produce 300hp on 91 octanes of gas, why not?
(Aftermarket parts do not count because they do not have to deal with warranty issue)
I have a lot of respect for Evo, but I really don’t like that Mitsubishi was sending ringer cars for magazine for testing purpose. Mitsubishi cheats, and they thought we are stupid to believe that.
-Bryan
Thanks,
Dave
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Originally posted by Diuney888
I think maybe you guys should think another direction for Sti. I actually appreciate the 2.5L engine that Subaru’s doing because we have crappy gas here in U.S. In Japan, 95 or higher octane of gas is everywhere.
If we have the “exact” JDM Sti in U.S, I guess it will have trouble revving to 8000rpm due to detonation or the ecu will retard the timing automatically so it will be much less powerful. So, if 2.5L is the reliable way to produce 300hp on 91 octanes of gas, why not?
(Aftermarket parts do not count because they do not have to deal with warranty issue)
I have a lot of respect for Evo, but I really don’t like that Mitsubishi was sending ringer cars for magazine for testing purpose. Mitsubishi cheats, and they thought we are stupid to believe that.
-Bryan
I think maybe you guys should think another direction for Sti. I actually appreciate the 2.5L engine that Subaru’s doing because we have crappy gas here in U.S. In Japan, 95 or higher octane of gas is everywhere.
If we have the “exact” JDM Sti in U.S, I guess it will have trouble revving to 8000rpm due to detonation or the ecu will retard the timing automatically so it will be much less powerful. So, if 2.5L is the reliable way to produce 300hp on 91 octanes of gas, why not?
(Aftermarket parts do not count because they do not have to deal with warranty issue)
I have a lot of respect for Evo, but I really don’t like that Mitsubishi was sending ringer cars for magazine for testing purpose. Mitsubishi cheats, and they thought we are stupid to believe that.
-Bryan
Originally posted by Diuney888
I think maybe you guys should think another direction for Sti. I actually appreciate the 2.5L engine that Subaru’s doing because we have crappy gas here in U.S. In Japan, 95 or higher octane of gas is everywhere.
If we have the “exact” JDM Sti in U.S, I guess it will have trouble revving to 8000rpm due to detonation or the ecu will retard the timing automatically so it will be much less powerful. So, if 2.5L is the reliable way to produce 300hp on 91 octanes of gas, why not?
(Aftermarket parts do not count because they do not have to deal with warranty issue)
I have a lot of respect for Evo, but I really don’t like that Mitsubishi was sending ringer cars for magazine for testing purpose. Mitsubishi cheats, and they thought we are stupid to believe that.
-Bryan
I think maybe you guys should think another direction for Sti. I actually appreciate the 2.5L engine that Subaru’s doing because we have crappy gas here in U.S. In Japan, 95 or higher octane of gas is everywhere.
If we have the “exact” JDM Sti in U.S, I guess it will have trouble revving to 8000rpm due to detonation or the ecu will retard the timing automatically so it will be much less powerful. So, if 2.5L is the reliable way to produce 300hp on 91 octanes of gas, why not?
(Aftermarket parts do not count because they do not have to deal with warranty issue)
I have a lot of respect for Evo, but I really don’t like that Mitsubishi was sending ringer cars for magazine for testing purpose. Mitsubishi cheats, and they thought we are stupid to believe that.
-Bryan
Its the 91 octane **** CA gas that causes the problem - - and its the same story in the UK also
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Bryan,
No disrespect to you or anyone, but from our posts, you can already tell that we're into aftermarket parts, hence our reasoning for disliking the 2.5. If we didn't intend to modify our cars, STi will be the car to get.
Our purchase is not dependent on the US magazine reviews whatsoever. We know what the Evo can do from the Japanese magazines and we're going toward that direction.
The whole point of Japanese Turbo cars is to have fun with the aftermarket parts. Also the reason why I initially stepped down from my 2001 911 Turbo to the WRX and now the Evo.
No disrespect to you or anyone, but from our posts, you can already tell that we're into aftermarket parts, hence our reasoning for disliking the 2.5. If we didn't intend to modify our cars, STi will be the car to get.
Our purchase is not dependent on the US magazine reviews whatsoever. We know what the Evo can do from the Japanese magazines and we're going toward that direction.
The whole point of Japanese Turbo cars is to have fun with the aftermarket parts. Also the reason why I initially stepped down from my 2001 911 Turbo to the WRX and now the Evo.
Originally posted by Scot
for some reason the demand is too low, or the supply is too high for the Evo's all of the sudden. My idiot dealer in Central PA ripped someone for $2k over sticker on a Black Evo sold the same day as mine (i paid MSRP). But now you can find new ones for $1k off, or I even saw a 400 mileage white one on ebay for $27,500 no reserve....that is where the auction ended also.
I paid $30,052 for mine with no sunroof.... very happy with it so far.
for some reason the demand is too low, or the supply is too high for the Evo's all of the sudden. My idiot dealer in Central PA ripped someone for $2k over sticker on a Black Evo sold the same day as mine (i paid MSRP). But now you can find new ones for $1k off, or I even saw a 400 mileage white one on ebay for $27,500 no reserve....that is where the auction ended also.
I paid $30,052 for mine with no sunroof.... very happy with it so far.
I have yet to see any other EVO's in my neck of the woods...
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From: SoCAL
you know what...?
it sounds like a lotta people (relatively) are going with the evo after getting tired of sitting on the sti waiting list. the fact of the matter is:
they're going to be just as happy (if not happier) with their evo than they would with their sti. they're both brilliant cars! i know there's a lotta vs. subaru stuff, but coming from a subaru owner, i really have nothing but respect for the evo viii (even if i think the v and vi are bettar! )
greg
it sounds like a lotta people (relatively) are going with the evo after getting tired of sitting on the sti waiting list. the fact of the matter is:
they're going to be just as happy (if not happier) with their evo than they would with their sti. they're both brilliant cars! i know there's a lotta
vs. subaru stuff, but coming from a subaru owner, i really have nothing but respect for the evo viii (even if i think the v and vi are bettar! )greg
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June C&D STi vs EVO
June Car&Driver compares the "New Wave Slingshots". The performance numbers look more inline than the numbers from Motor Trend (Evo 13.08@105). I believe C&D's 13.6@101 is more likely. The STi's 300hp is easily more apparent in C&D's test (STi 13.2@103) but they still give First Place to the Evolution based on what appears to be mostly "fun factor". Granted all their test drivers were quoted as saying the Evo felt more comfortable driving it quickly. It was a very good comparison of the two, giving each car credit where it was due.
The article about Rod Millen preferring the Evo says a lot ...quote "The Subaru just feels a lot more nervous than the Mitsubishi."
The recent magazine comparisons make me think that this is what the SVT guys are upset about. With these mags calling this the "new" ponycar wars I think these guys are getting jealous of all the media attention for the Evo and STi. With no Camaros around to toy with they've got to start picking on the import crowd. They can't hang with the Z06/Viper bunch because of lower horsepower and all around performance PLUS Z06's and Vipers are closer to Supercar status than the Cobra. Yeah, a supercharged V8 with 390hp is great, but still not in the same league as the Viper/Vette. I'm not trying to restart the SVT/Evo pissing contest again just giving my newly formed opinion.
I just would love to see their faces when a lightly modded, tuned Evo (or STi for that matter) outruns them on the street and at the track. They would have to be
in bed at night going..."How in the F@#k did I lose to a 4 cylinder?!!" 
After reading all these articles I feel I made the right choice in picking the Evolution, but I'll still give props to all the STi guys I meet.
Lee
The article about Rod Millen preferring the Evo says a lot ...quote "The Subaru just feels a lot more nervous than the Mitsubishi."
The recent magazine comparisons make me think that this is what the SVT guys are upset about. With these mags calling this the "new" ponycar wars I think these guys are getting jealous of all the media attention for the Evo and STi. With no Camaros around to toy with they've got to start picking on the import crowd. They can't hang with the Z06/Viper bunch because of lower horsepower and all around performance PLUS Z06's and Vipers are closer to Supercar status than the Cobra. Yeah, a supercharged V8 with 390hp is great, but still not in the same league as the Viper/Vette. I'm not trying to restart the SVT/Evo pissing contest again just giving my newly formed opinion.
I just would love to see their faces when a lightly modded, tuned Evo (or STi for that matter) outruns them on the street and at the track. They would have to be
in bed at night going..."How in the F@#k did I lose to a 4 cylinder?!!" After reading all these articles I feel I made the right choice in picking the Evolution, but I'll still give props to all the STi guys I meet.
Lee
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You should have seen the face of the last Z06 driver than I beat at our local 1/8 mile. I've beaten every Z06 Vette I've raced at our local track. The crowd and the announcer love it. My best 1/8 mile time in my modded WRX is 8.18. Most the Z06's I've been racing are running in the 8.50 range at our track. Traction is everything in the 1/8 mile.
I know its only an 1/8 mile but hay thats how long the track is. They can't blame me for that. Also the 1/8 mile is a race from 0-85mph or so. Thats a pretty good race if you ask me.
And don't even bring up racing on the street. A Vette doesn't stand a chance from a dead stop on the street.
I know its only an 1/8 mile but hay thats how long the track is. They can't blame me for that. Also the 1/8 mile is a race from 0-85mph or so. Thats a pretty good race if you ask me.
And don't even bring up racing on the street. A Vette doesn't stand a chance from a dead stop on the street.