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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 02:17 PM
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There was a guy named bbong that had the same issue as you. I think it was head related. Search for his name and you can find the thread.

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https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...nsumption.html
Just went though the whole thread i dont think it was that one although we have almost the EXACT same issue. He killed his motor before he could figure out.
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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 02:18 PM
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still going on? checked your intercooler pipes etc?
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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 02:30 PM
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Yeah all the regular places it could be have been checked. I've been digging around this site and I just can't shake the feeling its valves/valve seals/valve guides related.

If its piston rings the oil would be somewhere. The valves seems to be tricky to diagnose
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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 04:03 PM
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I find it laughable that a reputable shop could tell you straight to your face that a motor eating 3 quarts of oil in 300 miles has a clean bill of health. What a bunch of $&^%.
I dread the day I have to have my motor built, because it seems like you can't trust anyone.
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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 04:13 PM
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Yeah a place named Spec Ops Motorsports located in Fayetteville, NC screams red flags, IMO. I'm military and stationed at a major Army post and I do not trust ANY shops in Clarksville for performance. There's literally an import "tuner" shop like a mile up the street from my apartment with Evos and other similar cars at it all the time, but I drove 5 hours one-way to Fathouse Fabrications for a reason. Those places tailor to the Army kids that are stationed local and buy up all these STi's and Evo's. They cut corners, hurry the builds, etc. In a town that is the home of Army Special Operations, naming your shop SpecOps Motorsports tells me exactly the clientele you're aiming for and the type of work you're likely to do (or not do).
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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 04:20 PM
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Well to be fair they have a good reputation and its too early for me to say what they will or won't do. I wasn't posting this to bash them. It was part cathartic, part looking for any other informed opinions on the situation, part ***** session.

I have had numerous issues with other performance shops in the southeast (mainly GA) that I have posted about and it left me feeling like Performance shops in general were scams. I thought going to 1 shop for everything was the way to go.

Remains to be seem if I was right or not.
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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 04:22 PM
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I find it laughable that a reputable shop could tell you straight to your face that a motor eating 3 quarts of oil in 300 miles has a clean bill of health. What a bunch of $&^%.
I dread the day I have to have my motor built, because it seems like you can't trust anyone.
its 2 quarts every 400-500.......

but who's splitting hairs. LOL
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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 04:24 PM
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Good point all around. To be fair, no shop is immune from a fault here and there, performance or otherwise. What will make the difference is that if they made a mistake, they identify it and fix it at NO COST to you and set your engine straight and back to good. If they do that, then that's A Ok in my book.
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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 04:29 PM
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Yeah. Ive often said that making mistakes or screwing up is a part of life. No one is ALWAYS 100% but where it seems a lot of performance shops fail short is making it right.

I know its a business......and a fickle one at that. And if you dont a name or trying to make one sometimes its famine, not feast. Rebuilding someones motor out of their pocket is sometimes a tough pill to swallow.

I've always said what will set a performance shop apart from all the others is how they handle the mistake. It can re-inforce the goodwill and build trust and a positive reputation with a customer or community or it can go sideways and leave their reputation in ambiguity at best.

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Old Sep 12, 2014 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SmurfZilla
Yeah. Ive often said that making mistakes or screwing up is a part of life. No one is ALWAYS 100% but where it seems a lot of performance shops fail short is making it right.

I know its a business......and a fickle one at that. And if you dont a name or trying to make one sometimes its famine, not feast. Rebuilding someones motor out of their pocket is sometimes a tough pill to swallow.

I've always said what will set a performance shop apart from all the others is how they handle the mistake. It can re-inforce the goodwill the build with a customer or community or it can go sideways and leave their reputation in ambiguity at best.
Yep. That's life man, how a person handles adversity really shows who they are. Or a business for that matter.
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Old Oct 19, 2014 | 07:47 PM
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Update#

So it took them a while to get to this point but they have fixed every oil leak they could fine and after i gave them authorization to drive the car until the issue was proven to still be there or gone away the issue was still there.

So even though I had the shop owners number I decided to work through the shops service manager.

The finally decided there was nothing else they could do so taking the motor apart was conclusion. Now again to be fair I was only speaking to an employee that didnt have the power to tell me what could or could not be done. So I asked them for an estimate for fixing the car right and at the same time I reminded them I had this issue form the jump.

A month and half had passed before I had time to go down and speak to them (I asked a few times for an estimate and never got one but I figured it was because they wanted to talk me about the situation). I was set to go down there and really go get my car this past weekend but the owner got on the phone with me.

I explained my position (I'm reasonable but c'mon). He agreed that the motor needed to come apart and said if there is something they did they will cover 100%. If its a part failure he'd be fair about the situation since he knows I have been a faithful customer and I've spent alot with them already. He said they checked rod bearings boro-scoped the cylinders and the motor looked good.

They are betting its the rings but I gave them the go ahead to tear the motor down.

All in all I'm happy with the way things are going so far. I have been annoyed with how long it took to get to the this point but the owner set the expectation that they will not be able to get to my car until the week after next. I know they have been super busy but as long as the expectation is set I'm reasonable.

So now its wait and see what the issue is. More then the money I just want that thing fixed. They have a customer that drag races his car extensively and he used to burn a bit of oil inbetween oil changes but they tried some different things and they said he;s not burning a drop anymore. They will apply the same to my motor assuming what they think is wrong is right (if that made sense).

SO story isn't over yet but they are working with me and I'm being patient.

Throughout this ordeal I again entertained getting into another platform but honestly with a kid about to be in university I have about 1 or 2 years before the fun and game will be over for a while (I told my kid if he doesn't get a scholarship I will help him with tuition......I will not pay 100%. I've seen too many kids screw up and cost their parents money because they don't feel the burden themselves).

My wife is also looking to get a SUV and she misses her Lexus so she wants something luxury so I don't want a car note. I'll be in the Evo for a long time to come so I'm resetting my mentality about it.
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Old Oct 19, 2014 | 08:10 PM
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Damn dude, good luck! Hope it they find the issue.
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Old Oct 20, 2014 | 09:58 AM
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Hey Smurf. In the Evolution community, "built" motors are loose motors, meaning they're machined to looser tolerances than stock. I put "built" in quotes, because it's anything but that. Low reliability, oil consumption, and a short lifespan. Built? Not really.
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Old Oct 20, 2014 | 04:59 PM
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LOL. Yeah if I never blew my motor I'd still have my blue Evo on a BBK-B.

The oil loss I was having was excessive even by "built" motor standards.

Glad to see back on here. Been a long time.
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Old Oct 21, 2014 | 03:51 PM
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My issue was plain and simple, engine wasn't machined and put together right from the day one, Buschur was suppose to fix it, made it only worse, also smoke wasn't excessive but it burned as much oil as you are burning. 1/2qt every 100 miles, clean IC, even was instructed that it's my turbo so changed that too.

After getting the engine rebuild by JAM, it's not smoking and only consuming 1/2qt every 1500 miles.

Do the leakdown, mine was barely within green when I did a leakdown on Buschurs engine.
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