i think he's referring to the g35 coupe nad sedan... which is directly related to the 350 engine and i think chassis wise.

AH... finally... a REAL corvette... with some REAL seats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cat-co-ltd.co.jp/hashimoto/c5_inst_seat.htm

yes those are some sexy volks on a vette, yes those are some sexy recaro spgts in a vette. check the other links from the site... they got some crazy vettes in japan.

way to build 'em boys!

 

I almost think I need to start another thread now!

A lot has changed, been announced, and been hinted since I started this back in April!

 

i would say the v8 is300 if they ever come out with the that car, the new camaro maybe, the new body cobra, or whatever ford comes out with, and also 350z is getting more horses next year aswell as the g35, and any other ***** *** car with a bigger motor, thinking they can compete with a four banger, also the RL from acura even though thats kinda a luxury car, i dont got more then that, but in the real world, anybody with a car that looks like a pushcart and big wings and all that **** will try to compete, ****, i hate mother****ers thinking they can make a wagon a 10 second car, dont that **** **** you off. sorry got kinda mad at the fact that a stupid prelude tried to race me today, dude had a stock ****in car, doesnt he realize what im driving, a white evo RS, **** it aint that hard to realize theres a turbo in my car. god damnit.

 

see the thing with all these companies putting the first lux v8 they have on hand in a sporty car it's just a very clear example of how much they want to cater to stupid people rather than sports car lovers. luxury v8 engines are soft... (to qualify this... the g35's 3.5 is a new thing, it sings i like it.) in fact all luxury car engines with the exception of the bmw m series ALL have soft engines. engines that can't make their literage in power... engines that are just BIG, and BRAWNY and REALLY f'in' good at powering AIR CONDITIONING. even teh sc400 engine is soft, yeah yeah you can make 500 supercharged horses off a 4 liter... who cares? if you're talkin' about blowing a 4 liter you should be talkin' about way more than 500hp granted it's 500 foot pounds of torque too... but still... it doesn't sing m3s sing... m5 to my dismay sing, the sc400sc is just a brute force way of doing things, ok fine... i still like it but anyway. putting a 4.3 liter v8 in an is is just dumb! how is that in any way smart? they KNOW they can pull so much more power (usable too) by turbo charging the current engine they're running, even if they pussycharged it. it'd be a nice peppy fuel efficient and most importantly inconically japanese sports car that people would hop on because it could compete with the m3. instead... they wanna make it heavy, fatfooted and sigh... really good at pushing a/c.

 

VW R36....AWD, 3.6l 6 cyl, all motor ~280 BHP, 6-speed...racing seats, nice interior...

Sorry if it's already mentioned but I wasn't reading 14+ pages

 

Dude, you much not know jack about cars...
Camaro - discontinued
350z/G35 are getting bumped to 300hp
Acura RL - $50k luxury car dude

And yes, it is hard nowadays to realize what cars are turbo'd and what aren't. Between all the aftermarket add-on's and all the factory fake hoodscoops, it's hard to tell.

 

Can you say biased here...
Base Evo's put out 271hp - and get about 24mpg on the highway... (I barely get 20)
The '05 Vette with 400hp will pull over 30mpg on the highway... (my buddy gets near 35)

As for the 'M' comments, BMW has never t/c their vehicles that I know of. They just don't, that's their choice. That's fine.

You need to think about both sides of the coin here man. I have to say that a n/a car is probably more likely to be solid mechanically than one that is s/c or t/c. To each his own, but just keep an open mind.

 

Numbers do look nice, just not a fan of the GTI hatch looking thingy myself. Nor the Audi A3 looking thingy.

 

yes the vette pulls 400 horses and manages a 30mpg fuel econmomy but that's also due to a 6 speed transmission. how much fuel evonomy does the lexus 4.3 make? even the sc 4 liter engine's gas mileage sucked and that had .3 less liters. but i mean it's their choice... and it's a choice based on catering to luxery fatties.

 

...but I doubt anyone cross shops the Evo with anything from Lexus. They aren't comparable - therefore irrelevant to this thread.

 

My brother in law looked at an Evo RS before he bought an IS300. It happens.

 

Anything 'can' happen. You can shop for a 911 Turbo, and end up with a VW Beetle, but that doesn't make them comparable.

 

I'd say that the IS300 is more comparable to the Evo than three of your poll choices... The IS300 and the Evo are both 4 door sports sedans with virtually identical price and curb weight. The Evo has more peak HP but also has turbo lag and higher drivetrain losses due to the AWD.

Among your poll choices, you have two 2 door two seater coupes (RX-7 and Elise) which are no-compromise sports cars (assuming the next RX-7 follows in the tradition of the FD RX-7), and a very heavy big-engined AWD sedan (Audi S4) which both the Evo and the IS300 will run circles around when it comes to handling. And all of them priced significantly higher than the Evo.

 

Chevrolet Corvette
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Man(6), Premium 19 28 $1467 8.5
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Auto(4), Premium 18 25 $1535 9.2

2004 Lexus LS 430
Fuel Type Premium
MPG (city) 18
MPG (highway) 25
MPG (combined) 20
Annual Fuel Cost $1613

I don't see the big diffference here in fuel economy.
And I certainly don't see these two cars having anything to do with each other in terms of gas mileage..

 

The earlier post about the "Lux" v8's into smaller cars.. This is the CLASSIC muscle car mentality.. But its no different than any other manufacturer (or even owner) who decides to improve the performance of their cars..

Our cars are impressive, but their not unbeatable, and there's no Caveat to performance.. the Evo is one of the best all-around performance cars for the money, no argument there.. It hande's well, is fairly quick, and has many features that also make it practical.. Therefore there are quite a few cars in quite a few categories that we've "Stepped on toes" with this car. So its not surprising that comparisons will come across the board.

Our cars are no economy car from a gas consumption point of view.. I average around 20mpg, in some cases I can get 25.. But its no SUV either..

In any case, the IS300 is a car I had on my comparison list, along with the corvette, BMW M3, Mercedes AMG (one of the less expensive models), the EVO, The Neon SRT-4, etc.. These were the cars I liked at the time, and that I felt were either good performers or had lots of potential.. But they all had appealing features to me.

Had the IS430 been released (IS300 with the 4.3 V8 engine) I likely would have gotten one.. For someone to say a Lux engine is soft, or not a real performance engine is utterly ignorant.. Horsepower is horsepower, torque is torque, you put the engine into a light car, get it running well, and beef up the suspension to handle that power then you have a muscle car, improve the handling and you have a sport touring sedan.. In either case it WILL be a winner..

Then you have the new GTO.. All that hype, but it didn't quite hit the mark... It didn't have enough horsepower to allow people to overlook the "Chevy Cavalier" styling (I personally like this car) Next year it gets a bump in horsepower. Will that be enough for people to overlook its uninspiring appearance?

I think the best cars are the well rounded cars.. The ones that are quick, nimble, fun to drive, and practical.. Which places quite a few cars together in my comparisons which may not likely be grouped together for one reason or another.

Power to weight.. Thats what the average american cares about.. Why else would you take a 200hp engine from a larger car, and drop it into an 2000 pound honda civic, the same reason that Dodge put the Hemi engine in the Dart 30+ years ago.. This is what people want.. either way its a compromise, and 35-40 years ago, the Healy, MGB, etc. guys would make the same argument "Its all about handling" well, the truth is, 90% of us won't really use the handling of our cars to its limits..

We're a stoplight and highway society.. and most experiences of your car will be in those situations.. SO I can see why there's a drag race mentality when it comes to comparisons.. Its a measure of performance, but not a measure of capability.. But it doesnt matter, when I make a turn, At least I don't have the brake..

Humans are competative by nature.. so EVERYTHING is a comparison of what is better, and everyone desires to come out on top about something.. I can say "Get over it" but its life, life is about competition and if you think otherwise then your kidding yourself. But with that said, understand your limitations since denial does nothing to help you compete.. Oh well, Nuff said, I just got tired of this thread..