It's finally here! Nisei Engineering Intercooler!
Originally Posted by Zeus
Where did you hear this? I'd like to know myself!
Originally Posted by Myevostore
BR numbers have been tested and will be released soon. What we noticed was that the BR intercooler uses a more dense fin configuration (18 fins per inch vs the nisei 12 fpi). If no one has overheating problems with the buschur, then for sure they wont with the Nisei. We did notice the buschur intercooler is actually an intercooler instead of a heat sink (like most the other FMIC's we've tested and seen). It's pretty well designed, but not up to the quality of the Nisei. The buschur uses end tanks fabbed out of sheet metal while the Nisei has fully cast end-tanks specifically for the Evo. They are not off the shelf like 99% of all the other intercoolers out there. The Buschur has an internal split fin, which we honestly werent expecting. But we still managed to cool more effectively than the buchur though, but not by much. I'll try to post the exact numbers tonight.
But the Buschur intercooler definately has a flow limit though, as we were already getting a small pressure drop with the stock turbo. With a large turbo more would defiantely be expected. What we did notice is that we had to turn down the boost for the nisei intercooler because we would hit fuel (overboost) cut. This confirmed even more than that nisei intercooler isnt affected by a pressure drop and flows whatever the turbo feeds it without any flow restriction. With the buchur we had to turn up the HKS EVC a couple clicks from our nisei setting in order to hit fuel cut. More to come!
But the Buschur intercooler definately has a flow limit though, as we were already getting a small pressure drop with the stock turbo. With a large turbo more would defiantely be expected. What we did notice is that we had to turn down the boost for the nisei intercooler because we would hit fuel (overboost) cut. This confirmed even more than that nisei intercooler isnt affected by a pressure drop and flows whatever the turbo feeds it without any flow restriction. With the buchur we had to turn up the HKS EVC a couple clicks from our nisei setting in order to hit fuel cut. More to come!
Last edited by DsmAwdTurbo; Oct 13, 2005 at 09:34 AM.
We're still in the process of getting the real test results. We've been purchasing/aquiring competitor cores so that we can sumbit everything to a 3rd party for testing. We've also purchased a MoTeC datalogging unit to test ambient temps, in/out temps, in/out pressure, intake man pressure, EGT, AFR, RPM, MPG that can all be logged on one graph and analyzed.
What I posted before was just preliminary. We tested the units with a differential pressure gauge and temp sensors.
With Nisei engineering we're makign sure we're steps ahead of the game by using real world test conditions, professions/scientific testing methods, and un-biased results. We want to make sure the community is getting the best product, all we're doing is hurting ourselves and the community by biasing numbers. If a competitor core has better results, we will see to it to come out on top whether it's a redesign or completely new product. The intercooler design was completely done using math and scientific testing so we don't expect that at all. As of now all testing and customer feedback we get (on 75 or so intercoolers sold in the last 6 months) has revelealed no negative reults of the Nisei FMIC. Paired with the new IC pipe kit it's a killer combination.
As I promised, we'll have a full blown test for you guys. The pipe kit is completed (which is why we've been MIA for a while) and now we're working on the install guide for it. One this is all done our priority becomes the testing of the intercoolers.
Thanks everyone for your patience.
What I posted before was just preliminary. We tested the units with a differential pressure gauge and temp sensors.
With Nisei engineering we're makign sure we're steps ahead of the game by using real world test conditions, professions/scientific testing methods, and un-biased results. We want to make sure the community is getting the best product, all we're doing is hurting ourselves and the community by biasing numbers. If a competitor core has better results, we will see to it to come out on top whether it's a redesign or completely new product. The intercooler design was completely done using math and scientific testing so we don't expect that at all. As of now all testing and customer feedback we get (on 75 or so intercoolers sold in the last 6 months) has revelealed no negative reults of the Nisei FMIC. Paired with the new IC pipe kit it's a killer combination.
As I promised, we'll have a full blown test for you guys. The pipe kit is completed (which is why we've been MIA for a while) and now we're working on the install guide for it. One this is all done our priority becomes the testing of the intercoolers.
Thanks everyone for your patience.
I may be able to help with a few questions:
I have the Nisei Intercooler on my car. It works perfectly with my AMS lower IC pipe, but mine is the custom one for their 35r kit.
I am about two or three days away from having their mini-battery kit and prototype upper IC piping my car.
My AMS intercooler mysteriously disappeared during my engine build. Rumor has it that my AMS core is the one being tested to compare to the Nisei.
Undertray: I already had trimmed my undertray for my AMS IC. After installing the Nisei, I to trim a bit more, but it was no problem at all to trim it.
I have the Nisei Intercooler on my car. It works perfectly with my AMS lower IC pipe, but mine is the custom one for their 35r kit.
I am about two or three days away from having their mini-battery kit and prototype upper IC piping my car.
My AMS intercooler mysteriously disappeared during my engine build. Rumor has it that my AMS core is the one being tested to compare to the Nisei.
Undertray: I already had trimmed my undertray for my AMS IC. After installing the Nisei, I to trim a bit more, but it was no problem at all to trim it.
We're still working on the undertray design. The company that's making it for us is currently backed up making some parts for a JGTC race car. I installed the Nisei Intercooler with the APR splitter the other day and it fits perfectly. I was impressed with the quality of the APR product.
Smogrunner, Kevin dropped off your pipe kit and I believe battery kit at TT last week.
Smogrunner, Kevin dropped off your pipe kit and I believe battery kit at TT last week.
Originally Posted by BADEVO
3 months and still nothing on an under tray??? Looks like my money will be going else where for an intercooler.
There are alternatives while you wait for the undertray like cutting your stock one or use the APR splitter.
The Nisei intercooler is worth the minimal sacrifice of cutting the stock undertray. It has many benefits over the competition and is backed by objective design and science. So far we haven't had one person dissatisfied with this intercooler - not even one.
Rob
Last edited by myevostore.com; Oct 16, 2005 at 12:27 PM.
Originally Posted by myevostore.com
BADEVO
The Nisei intercooler is worth the minimal sacrifice of cutting the stock undertray. It has many benefits over the competition and is backed by objective design and science. So far we haven't had one person dissatisfied with this intercooler - not even one.
Rob
The Nisei intercooler is worth the minimal sacrifice of cutting the stock undertray. It has many benefits over the competition and is backed by objective design and science. So far we haven't had one person dissatisfied with this intercooler - not even one.
Rob
I am very interested in the Nisei design... I find it very appealing to my purposes. However, I too am not interested in running 150mph with a hacked up undertray, and would be happier still if it were a row or two shorter and tucked in above it.
Then there is the issue of dinging the low hanging core (tow hook)... esp for these folks who are running a lowered stance.
It might sound like I'm bashing the product, but I am not. I just find a couple of "warts" on an otherwise beautiful face.
