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Originally Posted by lancealot72
What do you recommend for a compressor? Just something larger than a 5hp, 20 gallon.
thanks.
thanks.
Josh
Yeah, the ones i have been looking at are all the 60-80 gallon one, but they are only 5.5 to 7.5 hp for the price range i would like to stay in. The ones in the higher 10-20 HP are just more than I want to spend right now. I have a general idea, just wanted some additional advice, thanks Josh!
Yeah we have twin Behemoths at the shop, one for the paint shop and one for the body shop, I have no idea how big they are, but you can only imagine. Something else keep in mind when looking at pawn shop or at a used one, that water and oil in the air is BAD THING. You can use bulb filters that go on the end of your gun to stop any contaminets from getting to your job and those are usually a good idea. A newer compressor is not going to have as much build up as an older one, so keep that in mind too, and if you need to save for a nice one, DO IT. Never settle IMO. Good things come to those who wait.
Josh
Josh
Question: Is there a simple way to undo this solvent popping situation? I just got my other car painted white and I now notice these little, hard to see bubble things under the clear. Man am I pissed.
Originally Posted by cal1mr
Question: Is there a simple way to undo this solvent popping situation? I just got my other car painted white and I now notice these little, hard to see bubble things under the clear. Man am I pissed.
Josh
I got the car back about two weeks ago and it hasn't rained once. There is definitely no rust color in the "bubbles" so I guess I'm screwed. The other part of all this is the fiberglass fenders that were painted are now turning yellow on the flat areas. If my body shop did such a bad time the first time it's strange to me to have them do it again. Anyway, I'll see what I can do, but if it goes past the shop on to the paint company maybe you know of a good painter in L.A.
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Originally Posted by cal1mr
I got the car back about two weeks ago and it hasn't rained once. There is definitely no rust color in the "bubbles" so I guess I'm screwed. The other part of all this is the fiberglass fenders that were painted are now turning yellow on the flat areas. If my body shop did such a bad time the first time it's strange to me to have them do it again. Anyway, I'll see what I can do, but if it goes past the shop on to the paint company maybe you know of a good painter in L.A.
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Josh
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touch up a paint nick?
On both the rear doors of my Evo, I've got a one small nick in the paint. I didn't think that the nicks went all the way to the sheet metal, but I just noticed today that there is rust showing up in the grooves of the nicks. I just want to stop the corrosion and apply some type of protection to keep the rust from coming back. I don't a perfect finish. Suggestions?
Originally Posted by mrfred
On both the rear doors of my Evo, I've got a one small nick in the paint. I didn't think that the nicks went all the way to the sheet metal, but I just noticed today that there is rust showing up in the grooves of the nicks. I just want to stop the corrosion and apply some type of protection to keep the rust from coming back. I don't a perfect finish. Suggestions?
Josh
Well how big are the nicks? There are corrosion prevention products, but the "nick" you are describing sounds like a chip to me. So without knowing exactly how big or how small they are, its tough to say if you should put on metal primer. One thing you could do if it is a small chip or nick, is go and get a rust prevention primer, and brush touch it on before you put your touch up paint on it. Just a small lil dab before you brush touch the paint on there. I am going to send you a pm for future care if you do deciede to get it painted in the future.
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Originally Posted by ziggy_juju
Well how big are the nicks? There are corrosion prevention products, but the "nick" you are describing sounds like a chip to me. So without knowing exactly how big or how small they are, its tough to say if you should put on metal primer. One thing you could do if it is a small chip or nick, is go and get a rust prevention primer, and brush touch it on before you put your touch up paint on it. Just a small lil dab before you brush touch the paint on there. I am going to send you a pm for future care if you do deciede to get it painted in the future.
Josh
Josh
hey ziggy_juju, i have a few questions. they mainly deal with the methods body shops use to fix specific body parts/sections.
my car was recently hit at the rear quarter panel section (passenger side). i brought it to a highly recommended shop (A rating at BBB.org).
the rear quarter panel needed to be replaced. i saw the car briefly after the new panel was welded in place. it looked like they used bondo over the weld lines. i was just wondering if this was normal. i was always under the impression that if the weld was done correctly that all that would be needed is to smoothen the weld area then just prep it to get painted.
they've already painted my car and i inspected it. it looks pretty good (but i couldn't compare the paint with the other sections since the lighting wasn't that great in the shop), but i noticed that there was a bit of overspray in certain areas, like the front door sill and trunk water channel area. i was told they would colorsand and polish the door sill area, but they never said they were going to fix the area where the water runs down at the trunk.
the thing is that normally the inside trunk crevice is a matte/flat color but now one side is glossy and one side is flat. i dont think they were planning on fixing it. should they?
they also got a bit of overspray in the taillight space (space when taillight is taken out).
is it the shop's responsibility to match the paint finish so that a person can't see that the car has been worked on?
thanks
my car was recently hit at the rear quarter panel section (passenger side). i brought it to a highly recommended shop (A rating at BBB.org).
the rear quarter panel needed to be replaced. i saw the car briefly after the new panel was welded in place. it looked like they used bondo over the weld lines. i was just wondering if this was normal. i was always under the impression that if the weld was done correctly that all that would be needed is to smoothen the weld area then just prep it to get painted.
they've already painted my car and i inspected it. it looks pretty good (but i couldn't compare the paint with the other sections since the lighting wasn't that great in the shop), but i noticed that there was a bit of overspray in certain areas, like the front door sill and trunk water channel area. i was told they would colorsand and polish the door sill area, but they never said they were going to fix the area where the water runs down at the trunk.
the thing is that normally the inside trunk crevice is a matte/flat color but now one side is glossy and one side is flat. i dont think they were planning on fixing it. should they?
they also got a bit of overspray in the taillight space (space when taillight is taken out).
is it the shop's responsibility to match the paint finish so that a person can't see that the car has been worked on?
thanks
Originally Posted by krillin
hey ziggy_juju, i have a few questions. they mainly deal with the methods body shops use to fix specific body parts/sections.
my car was recently hit at the rear quarter panel section (passenger side). i brought it to a highly recommended shop (A rating at BBB.org).
the rear quarter panel needed to be replaced. i saw the car briefly after the new panel was welded in place. it looked like they used bondo over the weld lines. i was just wondering if this was normal. i was always under the impression that if the weld was done correctly that all that would be needed is to smoothen the weld area then just prep it to get painted.
they've already painted my car and i inspected it. it looks pretty good (but i couldn't compare the paint with the other sections since the lighting wasn't that great in the shop), but i noticed that there was a bit of overspray in certain areas, like the front door sill and trunk water channel area. i was told they would colorsand and polish the door sill area, but they never said they were going to fix the area where the water runs down at the trunk.
the thing is that normally the inside trunk crevice is a matte/flat color but now one side is glossy and one side is flat. i dont think they were planning on fixing it. should they?
they also got a bit of overspray in the taillight space (space when taillight is taken out).
is it the shop's responsibility to match the paint finish so that a person can't see that the car has been worked on?
thanks
my car was recently hit at the rear quarter panel section (passenger side). i brought it to a highly recommended shop (A rating at BBB.org).
the rear quarter panel needed to be replaced. i saw the car briefly after the new panel was welded in place. it looked like they used bondo over the weld lines. i was just wondering if this was normal. i was always under the impression that if the weld was done correctly that all that would be needed is to smoothen the weld area then just prep it to get painted.
they've already painted my car and i inspected it. it looks pretty good (but i couldn't compare the paint with the other sections since the lighting wasn't that great in the shop), but i noticed that there was a bit of overspray in certain areas, like the front door sill and trunk water channel area. i was told they would colorsand and polish the door sill area, but they never said they were going to fix the area where the water runs down at the trunk.
the thing is that normally the inside trunk crevice is a matte/flat color but now one side is glossy and one side is flat. i dont think they were planning on fixing it. should they?
they also got a bit of overspray in the taillight space (space when taillight is taken out).
is it the shop's responsibility to match the paint finish so that a person can't see that the car has been worked on?
thanks
WOW I hate to break this to you, but it sounds like you went to a below par shop IMO. Ok first question, YES, its perfectly normal to put mud(bondo) over a welded in fresh quarter, it shoud not take a whole lot, but you will need a little. Did you see it after it was blocked and sanded or just when it was still thick?? See bondo goes on thick(as its a filler) then it is block sanded flat. Then the painters use primer to get it perfect. Ok onto the overspray, without knowing how bad the overspray is I can not diagnose how to repair it, but let me tell you what I think they should do. If its in the freshly painted jambs, have them colorsand it and buff it to remove it. IMO you should never get overspray in your jambs if you tape REALLY TIGHT. I am very good at taping, almost gift wrapping as my friends like to tell me. Now onto the shiny-supposed-to-be-matte jambs.... This is a very common problem, but every paint shop has the appropriate materials to deal with this. If the jambs are flat, then they should be flat when you get them fixed. Rejambing a quarter is not much work so YES I would have them fix it. There are two kinds of clears SHINY and MATTE/FLAT. Actually they are the same, only in the matte clear you add a special flattening agent to make it matte. I would have them fix that. Overspray in the taillight???? What in the heck was the tail light doing on the car to begin with??? They replaced a quarter, right? So why in the heck did they put the darn thing back in before painting??? HAVE THEM FIX THAT, I dont care if you cant see it with the tail light in. I never paint with ANYTHING on the panels on the cars in the shop I work at we R&I(REMOVE and INSPECT) everything, EVEN ON BLEND PANELS. It just makes for a very high quality job. And your last question(sorry if I didnt get them in order) YES the goal of every body shop and tech is PRE ACCIDENT CONDITION!!!!!!!!! Who is your insurance company by the way?? If its Farmers or State Farm, they will tear that body shop a new one for not doing the job right. I am not saying that they are a crap shop in any way, everyone has off days, just make them fix everything. If they fix everything and its to your standard(and by the way YOU have a helluva eye to catch all that and good attention to detail for someone not in the biz) then they will be an "ok" shop in my eyes. Everyone makes mistakes so give them a chance to fix it as I am sure they will. Good Luck and feel free to hit me up if you have any other questions. Later
Josh
Last edited by ziggy_juju; Sep 22, 2006 at 10:30 AM.
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Originally Posted by ziggy_juju
WOW I hate to break this to you, but it sounds like you went to a below par shop IMO. Ok first question, YES, its perfectly normal to put mud(bondo) over a welded in fresh quarter, it shoud not take a whole lot, but you will need a little. Did you see it after it was blocked and sanded or just when it was still thick?? See bondo goes on thick(as its a filler) then it is block sanded flat. Then the painters use primer to get it perfect. Ok onto the overspray, without knowing how bad the overspray is I can not diagnose how to repair it, but let me tell you what I think they should do. If its in the freshly painted jambs, have them colorsand it and buff it to remove it. IMO you should never get overspray in your jambs if you tape REALLY TIGHT. I am very good at taping, almost gift wrapping as my friends like to tell me. Now onto the shiny-supposed-to-be-matte jambs.... This is a very common problem, but every paint shop has the appropriate materials to deal with this. If the jambs are flat, then they should be flat when you get them fixed. Rejambing a quarter is not much work so YES I would have them fix it. There are two kinds of clears SHINY and MATTE/FLAT. Actually they are the same, only in the matte clear you add a special flattening agent to make it matte. I would have them fix that. Overspray in the taillight???? What in the heck was the tail light doing on the car to begin with??? They replaced a quarter, right? So why in the heck did they put the darn thing back in before painting??? HAVE THEM FIX THAT, I dont care if you cant see it with the tail light in. I never paint with ANYTHING on the panels on the cars in the shop I work at we R&I(REMOVE and INSPECT) everything, EVEN ON BLEND PANELS. It just makes for a very high quality job. And your last question(sorry if I didnt get them in order) YES the goal of every body shop and tech is PRE ACCIDENT CONDITION!!!!!!!!! Who is your insurance company by the way?? If its Farmers or State Farm, they will tear that body shop a new one for not doing the job right. I am not saying that they are a crap shop in any way, everyone has off days, just make them fix everything. If they fix everything and its to your standard(and by the way YOU have a helluva eye to catch all that and good attention to detail for someone not in the biz) then they will be an "ok" shop in my eyes. Everyone makes mistakes so give them a chance to fix it as I am sure they will. Good Luck and feel free to hit me up if you have any other questions. Later
Josh
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