ANOTHER 35r 56K No Way!
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Most people can't feasibly run C16 24/7, but it's no problem to run 93+meth 24/7. I'd much rather have 524whp w/stock ECU than 434whp w/standalone on the same turbo. A lot less money, less hassle, and way more power. There are others making 580-590whp on the stock ECU, so it's not a big deal. AEM EMS is better, but it's not required.
Thanks guys. I really wanted to run AEM but my only problem is that this is a daily driver so I really don't want to have to deal with constantly logging the car and making adjustments for temperature/humidity changes. Especially when I don't have a clue as to how to tune. Before Sunday's bbq I should have a race gas map though and hopefully hit 550. I should be able to get 600 once I pull the trigger on the AEM and get rid of that darn MAF... 
As for the tune, we actually turned it down a bit just to be on the safe side with the alky. I won't disclose the numbers right now but its still close to 500
As for the tune, we actually turned it down a bit just to be on the safe side with the alky. I won't disclose the numbers right now but its still close to 500
Plenty of reliability and consistency with meth, too. He has the Snow w/failsafe. At the track, changes are very easy to make with EcuFlash. AEM EMS is much more difficult for that purpose. You know how to retune the AEM yourself at the track? It's just not worth the major lag to only make 430whp with a big turbo especially knowing a 20g can make that power on meth with stock-like spool.
AEM EMS is way more capable, but very few people are actually certified tuners for it, especially when talking about regular owners.
AEM EMS is way more capable, but very few people are actually certified tuners for it, especially when talking about regular owners.
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Plenty of reliability and consistency with meth, too. He has the Snow w/failsafe. At the track, changes are very easy to make with EcuFlash. AEM EMS is much more difficult for that purpose. You know how to retune the AEM yourself at the track? It's just not worth the major lag to only make 430whp with a big turbo especially knowing a 20g can make that power on meth with stock-like spool.
AEM EMS is way more capable, but very few people are actually certified tuners for it, especially when talking about regular owners.
AEM EMS is way more capable, but very few people are actually certified tuners for it, especially when talking about regular owners.
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Do you have any dyno sheets? Just look at what RPM peak torque is at and you will get a general idea of spoolup. Most dyno pulls start at 3000 or 3500, and unless your going WOT at 2000 on the street I don't see how a 35R could spool anywhere below high 4s at 23 psi.
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Yeah I hear what your saying unfortunately for me I don't have any RPMs on my dyno sheet because the lead keep coming off the coil wire. I'll try to video it this weekend.... the streets are calling !!
I love Warrtalon, really ! at the track you wouldn't have to retune the aem, just make small changes and yes I do know how to change it... it's not much different than the FAST I had on my Mustang.LAG my a$$ my turbo sees boost at about 3500, but I see your point. All I'm saying two tunes one street, one race. You know what 35s make on race gas, huh ??
I don't quite understand what you mean by not having to retune but making small changes. That's what retuning is. If you know how to tune the AEM EMS, then great, but most people don't and shouldn't even touch it. However, EcuFlash is the same - making small changes is "retuning." You add/remove fuel or add/remove timing based on your logs. Same thing.
Two tunes - one street (500+ w/meth), one race (600+ w/race gas). I agree.
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Eh, sorry man, but stock turbos don't even hit full boost that early. A 35R w/2.0 on pump gas is a lag machine. I'm sure you fel it on a daily basis. Your motor being built helps a little, but I'm sure your torque curves is about 2000rpm later than a stock turbo on the same dyno.
I don't quite understand what you mean by not having to retune but making small changes. That's what retuning is. If you know how to tune the AEM EMS, then great, but most people don't and shouldn't even touch it. However, EcuFlash is the same - making small changes is "retuning." You add/remove fuel or add/remove timing based on your logs. Same thing.
Two tunes - one street (500+ w/meth), one race (600+ w/race gas). I agree.
I don't quite understand what you mean by not having to retune but making small changes. That's what retuning is. If you know how to tune the AEM EMS, then great, but most people don't and shouldn't even touch it. However, EcuFlash is the same - making small changes is "retuning." You add/remove fuel or add/remove timing based on your logs. Same thing.
Two tunes - one street (500+ w/meth), one race (600+ w/race gas). I agree.
Not the only one but you are in the minority; a good kit with a good failsafe and you will be fine. My iPod bumped my meth controller in the glovebox and the failsafe allowed me to run for almost a week without noticing anything was wrong.
No, you aren't the only one, but part of the reason for having a standalone is being able to fully control things like that. You can program in failsafes with that standalone, man. It's an awesome tool that can do many things. That's one thing it can do that the stock ECU can't do.


