Motec Install on Stock EVO X :)
I have driven a Motec tuned evo and my stock ecu tuned evo and there is a difference. The Motec had a certain feel to it, like a little more crisp or snappy? Hard to explain. Was the difference noticeable on who's was faster, yup, MINE.
Although, how fast has this stock evo X with a Motec gone right now verse a stock ecu evo X?
Who says a stock ecu can't be setup the same way? Unless you have proof otherwise, you are being a hypocrite for saying the motec is superior.
There are some VERY high horsepower stock ecu'd evos on this very forum. Look around. I believe MAP and maybe AWD reached or are very close to the 4 figure WHP mark.
Although, how fast has this stock evo X with a Motec gone right now verse a stock ecu evo X?
Who says a stock ecu can't be setup the same way? Unless you have proof otherwise, you are being a hypocrite for saying the motec is superior.
There are some VERY high horsepower stock ecu'd evos on this very forum. Look around. I believe MAP and maybe AWD reached or are very close to the 4 figure WHP mark.
I have driven a Motec tuned evo and my stock ecu tuned evo and there is a difference. The Motec had a certain feel to it, like a little more crisp or snappy? Hard to explain. Was the difference noticeable on who's was faster, yup, MINE.
Although, how fast has this stock evo X with a Motec gone right now verse a stock ecu evo X?
Who says a stock ecu can't be setup the same way? Unless you have proof otherwise, you are being a hypocrite for saying the motec is superior.
There are some VERY high horsepower stock ecu'd evos on this very forum. Look around. I believe MAP and maybe AWD reached or are very close to the 4 figure WHP mark. 1053 hp on stock ecu
Although, how fast has this stock evo X with a Motec gone right now verse a stock ecu evo X?
Who says a stock ecu can't be setup the same way? Unless you have proof otherwise, you are being a hypocrite for saying the motec is superior.
There are some VERY high horsepower stock ecu'd evos on this very forum. Look around. I believe MAP and maybe AWD reached or are very close to the 4 figure WHP mark. 1053 hp on stock ecu
Also im not sooo impressed by drag racing neither dyno numbers.. Here is one great example why. You cant even really justify the ecu swap LOL
Because you just cant see the value of the Motec really ... Probably is a same as a drag suspension vs the Rally LOL
hm , im bored , probably that is why im writing LOL
Last edited by Robevo RS; Aug 17, 2010 at 08:39 PM.
There is no question the motec can data log better and have more versatility. I think the question is, when is the motec the better choice?
ALS = anti lag shifting right?
You would need to get a true antilag setup out of one of the "other side of the pond" cars.
When does the shift limiter become a hindrance to help with boost recovery during a shift? I don't use it, but I have a FPWhite and that thing spool uber fast anyway.
Not to take away from the OP at all, because the community can only benefit from innovation and desire to find out if there are better options.
ALS = anti lag shifting right?
You would need to get a true antilag setup out of one of the "other side of the pond" cars.
When does the shift limiter become a hindrance to help with boost recovery during a shift? I don't use it, but I have a FPWhite and that thing spool uber fast anyway.
Not to take away from the OP at all, because the community can only benefit from innovation and desire to find out if there are better options.
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Yeah I don't think its going to be stock for too long.
But that wasn't really my issue, I was more concerned about the multiple ECU interaction.
This isnt the 1990's where the most complicated ECU outside of the ECM was the window winder...
Todays cars and especially the Evo have many ECU's that are all talking to each other.
Thats what my initial point was on page #1 - how does the MOTEC do when dealing with these other ECU's?
But that wasn't really my issue, I was more concerned about the multiple ECU interaction.
This isnt the 1990's where the most complicated ECU outside of the ECM was the window winder...
Todays cars and especially the Evo have many ECU's that are all talking to each other.
Thats what my initial point was on page #1 - how does the MOTEC do when dealing with these other ECU's?
-Darin
I haven't run into any issues yet the way I have it wired, even after i eliminated the MAF. Everything works on the car as it was stock, the awc, ayc, cruise control, dbw, etc. The two ecu setup isn't as complicated as you think, even with the newer cars. I did a M800 install on a TT Gallardo recently and it was just as simple as the EVO X. There are a few things the stock ecu needs to be fed in order to stay happy and that's it. Shane Tecklenberg recently piggybacked an M800 on a Ferrari enzo and is still using the stock ferrari ecu to control the F1 trans as well as the DBW. So it can be done properly, and is really not uncommon.
-Darin
-Darin
Crispeed is doing a similar setup for us on my Porsche Gt2.. 1 of the main reasons is to get rid of the fly by wire Throttle body which can be done if need be with this type of setup..
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Only a few guys in the country know how to do this properly.. Darin is 1 of them.. Regardless of what we accomplished on stock ecu as far as drag times there is a need for these types of Ecu setups.. Support the guy who is out there spending some time making these types of things work so that he can better the community.. Every application doesnt require a motec but its good to know its an option when needed..
Crispeed is doing a similar setup for us on my Porsche Gt2.. 1 of the main reasons is to get rid of the fly by wire Throttle body which can be done if need be with this type of setup..
Mike
Crispeed is doing a similar setup for us on my Porsche Gt2.. 1 of the main reasons is to get rid of the fly by wire Throttle body which can be done if need be with this type of setup..
Mike
Those cars are a pain to wire, let me know if you need any info on that car I've already done one so I might be able to save you some trouble.-Darin
Nice, the Porsche will be fun. Hopefully your car doesn't have a roll cage back there by the ecu like the 996 I did, that sucked and would suck a lot more for Crispeed, as he is a little bit bigger than me Those cars are a pain to wire, let me know if you need any info on that car I've already done one so I might be able to save you some trouble.
-Darin
Those cars are a pain to wire, let me know if you need any info on that car I've already done one so I might be able to save you some trouble.-Darin
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Wow this is a long thread..... lol When it gets to the point of whether to go Motec or not there's often a lot on the line. The stock ecu's today are much more advanced than the ecus of yester-year and a lot more capable, especially for "street" cars. Street cars on factory ecu making a lot of fun to drive power are the common stablemate today, no? The stock ecu's are awesome for street or even track cars that live and breathe in the lower statosphere during the week and see part time beast mode every here and there.
But there is a point when making the jump for some will be more than worth it.
The motec offers a lot of user definable features and abilities to build custom maps with custom user defined axis' and custom user designed compensations that you can't do with the oem ecus unless your going to completely rewrite the code. I've seen first hand the p.i.d. controls save multi-thousand dollar motors and the same controls drop seconds off lap times or shave 1/4 mile times. The motec also offers a lot of usuable accessories for logging and comps which can all be accessed and controlled in one ecu. At the end of the day it takes a master in the craft to fully use and understand its complete potential. In the hands of a master the possibilities are endless.
I think the question isn't why did Darin do it, it's what does he really have planned in the long-run. ;-)
Just my newbie $.02.... and I know no one asked me. LOL
Good luck on everyone's endeavors. The market will only get stronger with everyone learning and pushing forward.
But there is a point when making the jump for some will be more than worth it.
The motec offers a lot of user definable features and abilities to build custom maps with custom user defined axis' and custom user designed compensations that you can't do with the oem ecus unless your going to completely rewrite the code. I've seen first hand the p.i.d. controls save multi-thousand dollar motors and the same controls drop seconds off lap times or shave 1/4 mile times. The motec also offers a lot of usuable accessories for logging and comps which can all be accessed and controlled in one ecu. At the end of the day it takes a master in the craft to fully use and understand its complete potential. In the hands of a master the possibilities are endless.
I think the question isn't why did Darin do it, it's what does he really have planned in the long-run. ;-)
Just my newbie $.02.... and I know no one asked me. LOL
Good luck on everyone's endeavors. The market will only get stronger with everyone learning and pushing forward.
