Did i say the stock ecu is crap? No i didnt. I just understand how someone, who is a tuner, likes what he likes. He thoroughly enjoys a Motec and wishes to run it on every car he ever owns and plans to mod. He knows its simple to him and it works every time and does exactly what he needs and wants it to do. I know for a fact he has tuned a ton of stock ecu Evo's and Im sure he has his reasons for not wanting to go that route. He came on here to show what "HE" is doing with "HIS" car. Why it went any further than that is beyond me. Like people asking "why? whats wrong with the stock ecu?" shows just how stuck in their ways people are on here. He's not wanting to go the same route as everyone else, why should everyone own the same freaking car with the same mods? Its beyond me why people ever even questioned his reasoning for it.

 

"The way that you can set up the Motec to correctly do what you need in the quarter mile is why it would be faster. "
"I just don't understand the reason so many people have to come in here and give their .02 on it. Especially since most keep giving their .02 and are wrong, and have to keep getting corrected. Why say something if you don't 100% know its true? Its like most of you have absolutely no standalone experience at all and yet want to talk like you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about."
"I'm sure in a few days or weeks when his car is finished he will let it do all the talking, but for the rest of you, why don't you just stay quiet and try to learn something instead of just spreading useless misinformation and leading others astray! "

I think you missed some of us point here...
SO here it is again:
my point, for the money you will spend to get the stock car, to have a motec, you could spend on the car some where else , and the car will be much faster, period.
So from there, since who ever one to buy a motec is seriously think about racing, there is no other way to slice this, unless he is a motec dealer, basically you defeating the purpose of the purchase. You spend too much on very little gain vs the OEM ecu's stock car.

that is my point. You can prove me wrong . But please dont use , i told you so. I'm more into facts. Then you might change some of us opinion here.
Besides probabaly i had a motec equipped care before you even heard about evo's... LOl

Rob

 

Yeah I don't think its going to be stock for too long.

But that wasn't really my issue, I was more concerned about the multiple ECU interaction.

This isnt the 1990's where the most complicated ECU outside of the ECM was the window winder...

Todays cars and especially the Evo have many ECU's that are all talking to each other.

Thats what my initial point was on page #1 - how does the MOTEC do when dealing with these other ECU's?

 

Im okay with that, im okay with people saying its too expensive. That argument i can totally understand. We make a ton of money and so buying a Motec for me or him was fine for us to do. We like them and want to run them no matter what. Its the other arguments that people are coming up with that are just bothering me. If everyone just said i don't want to spend that much money on an ecu, then i would say fine, stick with what you've got. The comparing the stock ecu to the motec, or wondering why he would ever change the stock ecu out, is what is boggling my mind. He DOESN'T want to run the stock ecu and He knows a ton more about tuning than me, but he feels he can accomplish a lot more with it as well.

 

My biggest thing with tuning, is use whatever platform the tuner is comfortable with, so I 100% agree with you if you say Darrin loves Motec, then **** use Motec all day long. I would use Motec if he was my tuner regardless of what I think.

IMO, you trust the tuner not the software because they know more than you about tuning so you have to listen to them, lol.

I can't speak for others, but I was not saying the Motec isn't more capable than the stock ECU in some aspects, the only problem so far I have had is take one car tune it on MOTEC by Darin for the 1/4 and same car tuned on the Stock ECU the motec will win. I personally think it would take some bigger power levels to accomplish this, but judging by what he plans to do he will probably hit those levels so more power to him.

I think we should end this debate...we are all driving awesome Evo X's, lets get along and respect each other and all just have some good ole fashioned American dumb *** going fast fun (in a Jap car, lol) I think we can all agree on that.

 

To a large degree it can't, just look at SS-T as an example.

But then, you already know that.

 

I see both sides of this argument and really it comes down to what one's preference is and is most comfortable tuning. I for one am very comfortable with AEM so I run that on my car and tune using that system on several different cars. Now I am branching into the Series 2 lineup and like how it has improved quite a bit from Series 1. I myself would like to give MoTeC a go one day, I am always looking at other options and would love to branch out further.

Darin,

Thanks for sharing what you have accomplished and I personally look forward to seeing where this car goes.

 

Haha, i guess we will have to find a way to test the theory!

I can tell you one thing, i ran and AEM on my supra and then switched to a Motec, the difference was suprisingly very noticeable. Other than running a million times smoother and better startup and less headache. Same setup, the AEM i never went faster than 10.7, the first time i went out with the Motec i ran 9's. Now the Motec had certain features on it that the AEM just did not, such as boost by gear and just being able to set things up correctly rather than kind of having to cheat it. Like i know the AEM rounds up some numbers when your trying to imput them in certain tables etc... So with the Motec, he will be able to fine tune things that maybe he feels he wouldn't be able to with the stock ecu. Honestly, i dont know. He is very familiar with the stock ecu platform and extremely familiar with the Motec and if he knows for a fact he can do more and accomplish more with a damn Motec, than by god, i believe him! haha. We will have to wait and see. He's making a ton of progress on his car now and there has been a constant flow of parts being delivered so hopefully he will finish her up soon. Then i am finding a super hot model to shoot on his car for the thread. Maybe my friend Alanna Kolette, google her and I'm sure you'll check back for the build thread

 

"We make a ton of money and so buying a Motec for me or him was fine for us to do. We like them and want to run them no matter what."
one way to justify it ...

"The comparing the stock ecu to the motec, or wondering why he would ever change the stock ecu out, is what is boggling my mind. "
we do not comparing the stock to the Motec... you still dont get it.
we debating the necessity of it at stock form.
Also we are not jealous because he has one...

" Its the other arguments that people are coming up with that are just bothering me. If everyone just said i don't want to spend that much money on an ecu, then i would say fine, stick with what you've got."
we got a very legit point , since we are talking about racing at the stock car level... read my point above.

i was responding on HIS post
" I don't like dealing with the limitations and problems that come with running a stock ecu on a modified car, especially when making a lot of power."
Since he is talking about the stock car and later the high powered car. So in my experience, you build up the car and you change the ecu when the stock ecu cause limitation problems.

i dont think its anything more to say here, since he will upgrade the car as he said. Just too bad we couldn't have a nice dialect to see why is really that much better the Motec on the stock car then a evo X oem ecu... I guess i would never will know now. I was in the impression the Supra Ecu as way less advanced then a Evo X , but i guess i was wrong.

 

Robevo- im living proof of your sig, other than the guy part. So sad I get pulled over alot lately when i drive my Supra around because of how loud it is. So i'm always stuck driving my Tundra (tow vehicle) around.

 

SO you feel my pain then LOL Sadly after a certain level we have to give up on the street driving... I have to have a street legal car though to do a rally , but still just waaaay to flashy to drive it on street.

Maybe next year i will get another one for DD. And i can use a tundra for towing only.

 

To get back on Topic.

What I don't understand is why the car in question is running two ECU's, one an M400 and the other the Factory ECU. This is where I can see no real benefit.

I can see where an M800 used as a standalone for a motorsport car would be ideal, hell, this is something I have a fair bit of exposure too every single day. I have no issues with a Motec in a race car where data logging is king.

I can see where the over zealous OEM ECU can be utilized in a highly tuned road car with great success too, again this is somethign I've had a reasonable amount of exposure too.

But ... I just can't see why you would bother with both in one car. It just doesnt make any sense. I'd love someone to explain to me why both M400 and the factory ECU side by side would be of any benefit. I must be missing something here...

Having both of them in their explains why you have cruise control, infact it explains quite a lot actually. I'm just stumped as to the real answer why two ECU's would be better in any application.

 

oh yeah, i have heard it all and then some over my years on car forums. Nothing gets to me on a personal level, not on here or in person. Oh man have there been some good ones!

 

Im sure Darin can fill everyone in on all that when hes done working on his car at the shop. I think he's just over trying to explain himself to everyone on here because people on here just don't get it and he doesn't care enough to to try and win anyone over. He knows how sick his car is gonna be, so im sure hes just focused on that He wants it done, so he can finally race it but he's getting a constant flow of tuning jobs all over the place and has been traveling like crazy. Hes trying to not travel at all this week to try and get her done. So we should have a update soon.

 

I have driven a Motec tuned evo and my stock ecu tuned evo and there is a difference. The Motec had a certain feel to it, like a little more crisp or snappy? Hard to explain. Was the difference noticeable on who's was faster, yup, MINE.

Although, how fast has this stock evo X with a Motec gone right now verse a stock ecu evo X?

Who says a stock ecu can't be setup the same way? Unless you have proof otherwise, you are being a hypocrite for saying the motec is superior.

There are some VERY high horsepower stock ecu'd evos on this very forum. Look around. I believe MAP and maybe AWD reached or are very close to the 4 figure WHP mark. 1053 hp on stock ecu