Motec Install on Stock EVO X :)
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I am not sure the evo community is familiar with Darin. He is a house hold name in the supra community and there arent many supra guys here.
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The MoTeC does have CAN BUS, and the EVO operates at half speed of the typical MoTeC. There is a way to set this up and get it to work. Installing it in a factory GSR will eliminate the ASC.
If you wanted to add knock control, you can, if you really feel you need it.
Depending on your application, additional sensors can be added for fuel pressure, oil pressure and other things to trim out the way the car runs. Just a few examples of ways it could be MORE safe than a factory ECU.
Cold start is only going to be as good as the person who is using the ECU. It is no easy feat with the DBW motor, especially if you haven't done one before.
There is an M800 plug in unit that is now available from MoTeC. It is not for everyone, and I wouldn't recommend it to people with stock a stock turbo that do an occasional track day. There are definitely applications which demand the sort of extra control and less restriction.
If you wanted to add knock control, you can, if you really feel you need it.
Depending on your application, additional sensors can be added for fuel pressure, oil pressure and other things to trim out the way the car runs. Just a few examples of ways it could be MORE safe than a factory ECU.
Cold start is only going to be as good as the person who is using the ECU. It is no easy feat with the DBW motor, especially if you haven't done one before.
There is an M800 plug in unit that is now available from MoTeC. It is not for everyone, and I wouldn't recommend it to people with stock a stock turbo that do an occasional track day. There are definitely applications which demand the sort of extra control and less restriction.
Additional sensors can be fitted, as can knock control. Yes, this is all true but then I would suggest that isn't anywhere near as safe as an OEM ECU. Especially where bad fuel is concerned.
As for true CAN BUS 'yes' it is... but to a small degree and yes as for speed the M800 sits at 1mbps whereas most cars are around 500kbs so I'm aware of the speed situtation and in alot of applications this needs to be configured down, but it's still not as quick as interpolating the raw data the OEM ECU in an EVO X can. It's still a one trick pony to a large degree, hence why there is no Motec for SS-T equipped cars. Funny how the factory ECU can do that though huh as well as run cruise, immobilizer ect that are all systems that any Motec simply can't fathom. Again I would use my 1 and 4 draw filing cabinet illustration here.
I'm yet to see any tuner with a Motec get cold starts to a level of an OEM ECU period.
As for an M800 with a stock turbo? I'm not sure why you wouldnt recommend that? We've won a Maufacturers championship using an M800 with a standard turbo, what I wouldnt recommend however is anyone with running pump gas getting an M800 plug in.
It's just not as robust.
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I'm not sure that info is entirely correct really...
Additional sensors can be fitted, as can knock control. Yes, this is all true but then I would suggest that isn't anywhere near as safe as an OEM ECU. Especially where bad fuel is concerned.
As for true CAN BUS 'yes' it is... but to a small degree and yes as for speed the M800 sits at 1mbps whereas most cars are around 500kbs so I'm aware of the speed situtation and in alot of applications this needs to be configured down, but it's still not as quick as interpolating the raw data the OEM ECU in an EVO X can. It's still a one trick pony to a large degree, hence why there is no Motec for SS-T equipped cars. Funny how the factory ECU can do that though huh as well as run cruise, immobilizer ect that are all systems that any Motec simply can't fathom. Again I would use my 1 and 4 draw filing cabinet illustration here.
I'm yet to see any tuner with a Motec get cold starts to a level of an OEM ECU period.
As for an M800 with a stock turbo? I'm not sure why you wouldnt recommend that? We've won a Maufacturers championship using an M800 with a standard turbo, what I wouldnt recommend however is anyone with running pump gas getting an M800 plug in.
It's just not as robust.
Additional sensors can be fitted, as can knock control. Yes, this is all true but then I would suggest that isn't anywhere near as safe as an OEM ECU. Especially where bad fuel is concerned.
As for true CAN BUS 'yes' it is... but to a small degree and yes as for speed the M800 sits at 1mbps whereas most cars are around 500kbs so I'm aware of the speed situtation and in alot of applications this needs to be configured down, but it's still not as quick as interpolating the raw data the OEM ECU in an EVO X can. It's still a one trick pony to a large degree, hence why there is no Motec for SS-T equipped cars. Funny how the factory ECU can do that though huh as well as run cruise, immobilizer ect that are all systems that any Motec simply can't fathom. Again I would use my 1 and 4 draw filing cabinet illustration here.
I'm yet to see any tuner with a Motec get cold starts to a level of an OEM ECU period.
As for an M800 with a stock turbo? I'm not sure why you wouldnt recommend that? We've won a Maufacturers championship using an M800 with a standard turbo, what I wouldnt recommend however is anyone with running pump gas getting an M800 plug in.
It's just not as robust.
As you probably aware of that I just wanted to add my personal experience.
The way I see it stock EVO X ecu is the perfect ecu for emission control,thats why Mitsubishi chose it,but with proper mods can do a lot on power gains.
On the other hand Motec ecu's were originally made for motorsport use but they are adopting more and more everyday cars functions.
I'm not sure that info is entirely correct really...
Additional sensors can be fitted, as can knock control. Yes, this is all true but then I would suggest that isn't anywhere near as safe as an OEM ECU. Especially where bad fuel is concerned.
As for true CAN BUS 'yes' it is... but to a small degree and yes as for speed the M800 sits at 1mbps whereas most cars are around 500kbs so I'm aware of the speed situtation and in alot of applications this needs to be configured down, but it's still not as quick as interpolating the raw data the OEM ECU in an EVO X can. It's still a one trick pony to a large degree, hence why there is no Motec for SS-T equipped cars. Funny how the factory ECU can do that though huh as well as run cruise, immobilizer ect that are all systems that any Motec simply can't fathom. Again I would use my 1 and 4 draw filing cabinet illustration here.
I'm yet to see any tuner with a Motec get cold starts to a level of an OEM ECU period.
As for an M800 with a stock turbo? I'm not sure why you wouldnt recommend that? We've won a Maufacturers championship using an M800 with a standard turbo, what I wouldnt recommend however is anyone with running pump gas getting an M800 plug in.
It's just not as robust.
Additional sensors can be fitted, as can knock control. Yes, this is all true but then I would suggest that isn't anywhere near as safe as an OEM ECU. Especially where bad fuel is concerned.
As for true CAN BUS 'yes' it is... but to a small degree and yes as for speed the M800 sits at 1mbps whereas most cars are around 500kbs so I'm aware of the speed situtation and in alot of applications this needs to be configured down, but it's still not as quick as interpolating the raw data the OEM ECU in an EVO X can. It's still a one trick pony to a large degree, hence why there is no Motec for SS-T equipped cars. Funny how the factory ECU can do that though huh as well as run cruise, immobilizer ect that are all systems that any Motec simply can't fathom. Again I would use my 1 and 4 draw filing cabinet illustration here.
I'm yet to see any tuner with a Motec get cold starts to a level of an OEM ECU period.
As for an M800 with a stock turbo? I'm not sure why you wouldnt recommend that? We've won a Maufacturers championship using an M800 with a standard turbo, what I wouldnt recommend however is anyone with running pump gas getting an M800 plug in.
It's just not as robust.
The factory X ECU does not handle any immobilizer functions, that is handled in a separate module.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend a MoTeC to everyone, is more the ponit of my statements, I also wouldn't recommend keeping the stock ecu to everyone when specifc motorsport features are needed.
The only reason it wouldn't be able to accomplish any of the features you mentioned is because of the time it would take to reverse engineer the signal that the stock ECU is sending. It has nothing to do with processing power, or the ability to interpolate. Any signal that can be produced by a stock ECU can be reproduced with another system (not necessarily just MoTeC either). There are a lot of systems in factory cars now that have more to do with torque protection than anything else. When given enough time and money, and signal is repeatable.
The factory X ECU does not handle any immobilizer functions, that is handled in a separate module.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend a MoTeC to everyone, is more the ponit of my statements, I also wouldn't recommend keeping the stock ecu to everyone when specifc motorsport features are needed.
The factory X ECU does not handle any immobilizer functions, that is handled in a separate module.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend a MoTeC to everyone, is more the ponit of my statements, I also wouldn't recommend keeping the stock ecu to everyone when specifc motorsport features are needed.
Not to get off topic(and sorry if I am), but is it safe to say that using a stock ecu on a fully built X 2.0 block w/all the bolt-ons plus an FPBlack is better? Or will it depend on the intended use of the setup, such as 1/4 runs at the track/ a couple street races!?!? Please educate me a bit on this one, because this thread some how has confused the crap out of me...
robevo, the M400 is virtually the same ecu as the M800 with 4 injector and ignition outputs instead of 8. There are still 8 auxilary outputs that you can use for nitrous, water/meth injection, boost control etc. They also have the same number of inputs. The reason I went with the M400 is because this engine is a 4 cylinder and I don't ever forsee a need to have an extra 4 injector outputs or coil outputs, especially with the big injectors available now I probably won't ever need to run 8 injectors. I ran an M600 on my supra. I don't think i'd ever buy an m800 unless I had a V8.
Chris, the plug in box only works with the RS model evo apparently. They are working on a version that will work 100% with the US spec GSR, but they can't give me an exact date that it will be ready, so I just went ahead and went with the M400.
Chris, the plug in box only works with the RS model evo apparently. They are working on a version that will work 100% with the US spec GSR, but they can't give me an exact date that it will be ready, so I just went ahead and went with the M400.
Hm i was in the impression the M800 is more versatile. So like better for the cars who runs ALS - extra water injection etc. I knew the 400 for the 4 cylinder but i thought the it good for only 4 "injetcors" so if you want to have an extra water etc. injection then the 400 is not enough. That is why im not a tuner LOL'
Thanks for clean my head out
ROb
Nobody deny's or questioning the Motec capabilities vs the OEM above a certain level of modification.
This whole thing reminds me the NASA pen story.
Im still not convinced on the stock car the motec does any spectacular vs the OEM one. But the money you spend on it , could take you much further, safely too, if you choose another way.Thats all im saying.
Because some people- guys might get a wrong idea, and they think the Motec is a holly grail to the first stage hook ups... And frankly when you need the Motec you probably should pass already the stage where the OEM cant keep up safely anymore or just simply is incapable to do it. Like having ALS..
Rob
Last edited by Robevo RS; Aug 16, 2010 at 06:44 PM.
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Not to get off topic(and sorry if I am), but is it safe to say that using a stock ecu on a fully built X 2.0 block w/all the bolt-ons plus an FPBlack is better? Or will it depend on the intended use of the setup, such as 1/4 runs at the track/ a couple street races!?!? Please educate me a bit on this one, because this thread some how has confused the crap out of me...
The stock ecu will work perfectly fine for a large majority of Evo X owners since most are street cars. But there are some race cars or cars making tons of power and need the control features and datalogging capability that a standalone ecu has to offer. There's not much more to it than that.
-Darin
It depends on what you mean by better? The better ecu for a performance application is the Motec hands down. If by better you mean cheaper, then yes the stock ecu is a whole lot better haha!
The stock ecu will work perfectly fine for a large majority of Evo X owners since most are street cars. But there are some race cars or cars making tons of power and need the control features and datalogging capability that a standalone ecu has to offer. There's not much more to it than that.
-Darin
The stock ecu will work perfectly fine for a large majority of Evo X owners since most are street cars. But there are some race cars or cars making tons of power and need the control features and datalogging capability that a standalone ecu has to offer. There's not much more to it than that.
-Darin
And yep I meant better as far as performance goes. I'll be on 93 pump fuel also bigger injectors(1000 injector dynamics), fully built head and block on an FPBlack like stated before, and my Evo X will occasionally be street driven from time to time(3-4 days roughly out of the week weather permitting). I'm into 1/4mile drag racing weather on track or streets. With that being said, will motec be a better fit for me or the OEM ecu? Thanks!
I will hold you accountable to that suggestion...!
I've just hear many too plenty, on ECUs... I've seen clips of Darin and how he's done excellent with motec...! In all i'm new to the EVO X or any EVO, and i'm just trying to get the best ECU for my setup... The honda world was so easy... Lol... It's either Kpro or and AEM and call it a day...! Lol... Sorry if I in some way diverted this thread, and thanks for the info as well!