ok i have a few questions for you.

if someone has a AP can they hook it up to a computer and dump the rom from the AP to the computer?

and second: If they can copy it to the computer, can they open it up inside ecuflash like a regular rom.bin and see all the values?

if so then its what i thought it was. its a very expensive limited laptop per say that makes it super user friendly for someone that would get lost inside the raw ecuflash interface.. with the cobb its geared towards being more user friendly and has a fancy interface with buttons and a little screen.

is that accurate? or is it even more jailed then that? does cobb restrict its use with their software only once put on a computer?

just curious.. and yes i admit ive never used a cobb AP before.

 

Answers below, just keep in mind I didn't say I was either a fan or not of the AccessPort.

No, at least not in the ecuflash sense. Keep in mind, the actual ROM for the current tune on the car is located on the ECU, just like Ecuflash.

No. You used to be able to pull a AP tuned rom from the ECU and view it in ecuflash but you can no longer do that.

It's more user friendly in that the user does not have to mess with XML files or HEX files. Which is also what makes it not (or not at all) as guru friendly as Ecuflash. For example. A user *cannot* add additional XML to enhance the tuning ability of the AccessPort. They have to wait for an actual software update from the company.

A user loads AP files and flash or tweak their tune with a GUI. I also wouldn't say the GUI is more user friendly then EcuFlash. I'd say it's more confusing but that's just my opinion.

 

Ok thanks for answering all that. Definitely not something I would prefer over the laptop + ecuflash method. seems like Cobb has you by the ***** with that application.

Still a cool concept though for sure.

 

As much as seeing those numbers $ is nice, but i think it all comes down to "What do you want from your car". Will that AP OTS map satisfy you?

For example, i'd much rather use money from the 600$ to get myself a custom tune and a wbo2.

 

Wow, we pulled out the big guns on this one. Admins, gurus and vendors... oh my.

I like Coke better. Pepsi is bla. lol


The AP and Opensource have their niche. You much choose which one fits you better. It's that simple.

I don't like the custom tune vs OTS map comparison. OTS maps were made to be conservative on purpose. The HAVE to work in everybody's car. A real custom tune is unique to your car. I don't car what software was used for the above tunes. It's irrelevant to the argument.

 

Coke Zero?

100% agree with the bold text. Comes down to end-user. Personally, I tuned my own Evo. But I am not the average Joe user either.

 

Excuse me while i make a point for Kracka to understand...



Posting graphs overlayed on the same chart of 2 different cars, with different mods and different tuners does not prove anything other than the person creating the chart is competent enough to find the files he intended to lay on the graph and print it properly.