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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
give me 10,000,000 to invest into R&D and i can make it happen if you really wanted..

Ill do that, sure.

But i guarentee the last thing you will want is a damn iron block to lug around the track. you'd switch to an aluminum deck ASAP.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
Ill stick to the 4g63.. Main reason i have no faith in the 4b11 is that right there..


Have faith my son and you'll see how a wet bird flies at night






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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 11:36 PM
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I've always been of the mind set that when your looking to make big power, buy the right platform (notice the 03 cobra in my "drives" list....)
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 11:59 PM
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Have faith my son and you'll see how a wet bird flies at night






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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 12:33 AM
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Hey mike, If I may make a suggestion... I'd keep your "iron block" crap to yourself because it's a major turn off for prospective X customers that might otherwise do business with you. Even if you're just being honest about your opinions it still comes across as you talking **** about the X, and that's not good business sense. Just a tip, take it with a grain of salt.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 12:40 AM
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^ Best post in whole thread
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by STi2EvoX
Hey mike, If I may make a suggestion... I'd keep your "iron block" crap to yourself because it's a major turn off for prospective X customers that might otherwise do business with you. Even if you're just being honest about your opinions it still comes across as you talking **** about the X, and that's not good business sense. Just a tip, take it with a grain of salt.

Sure thing.. Ill just sugar coat and tell people what they want to hear..

" the aluminum block is the probably going to be the most solid mitsu engine to date. I would feel comfortable throwing 50psi at it as long as it has sleeves"..


There is that better?? i dont beat around the bush its not my style.. I have an EVO X and we are modding it and testing many parts on it.. Ill probably blow one to pieces to find out what the limits are eventually.. when the aluminum block issues start arising ill save this thread to bring ti back from the dead and say " I told you so"..

The weight savings IMO do not outweigh the benefits of having a solid cast iron block for the purposes of drag racing of course.. Let it overheat badly a few times and see what happens as opposed to the cast block that can take alot more abuse.. Im not hating on it, i am just saying that there are benefits to aluminum but its not in HP area.

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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
Im not close minded.. I am realistic.. my $36k car isnt ready to have the motor out yet anyway and i am not looking forward to dealing with aluminum motor problems.. The fastest cars in the world are still running on old proven technology.. call me old fashioned..
We hate change and fight it, we always will.

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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 03:27 AM
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Yipes, everyone needs to calm down.

In time we will see how that wet bird flies at night...

Time will tell. Initially, Mike and a few of us are just skeptical, thats all. In the end, you will have two motors, and one will shine in one aspect, and one in another, that's all. No insinuations about either, hell, right now for all we know, the 4B11 might tromp the 4G63, we simply just don't know yet. Time will tell.

You can't knock someone for being a little skeptical at the moment because as it stands, aluminum simply isn't as strong as cast iron, with or without sleeves.

Everyone just needs to sit back and wait, time will show us how strong the 4B11 really is.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
Wow, you are right.. Forget what i said.. The 4b11 is good for 1000hp i am sure, im outta here..
Thank you for your wonderful inmature comment. I noticed that you said that you're "outta here" but you keep hanging around like a floater in a toilet bowl.

To end this conversation and to keep you from popping back up from the drain pipes, let's all just say:

Aluminum block = Loser
Cast iron block = Winner

Happy now?
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
I dont think i said 4g63 was a domestic engine..look again..


everything you are saying is falling on deaf ears as i know EXACTLY what the evo was designed for and you dont have to tell me about reliability as i build these cars daily.. However you cant talk me out of why i should or should not drag race it.. I love the car and love drag racing and i will use an evo as the platform for as long as i can finacially handle using a car that breaks alot of parts.. pretty simple.
that's fair.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BOOSTEZ
It would probably get sloppy around the track. Being great around the track at 400whp doesn't make it exceptional at 600whp with the same suspension setup.

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that is the point i made with 1000 whp
But on straight the 5-600 whp will help you a lot. With close to 1000 whp you will get serious traction issues.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 04:57 AM
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just little oil on the fire for the 4G63 guys..
i just talked my ex team mates from hungary. They switched the non mivec 4G63 to the 4g63 mivec, so the IX.
This year they had nothing but troubles due the lighter mivec head, The cylinder 1 is always leaks and have less compression. They think because something with the mivec set up. Even when they got a brand new crate engine the number1 had a less compression.
Also he said after you took off the head the valves wont close anymore like it did before and so on...
Now I'm not a mechanic so i don't know how can i explain better what they told me in my native languages.

But i can tell you one thing for sure they wasn't happy at all. So after 16 years in the Evo the 4G63 still got issues... Why you think the 4B11 will be invincible after 6 months? And why is the : "that is why i don't trust comments"?
You 4G63 guys should , since this is the only future now with the Evo. And if you are really the evo guy at least you should give at least the thrust for the Evo engineers after 16 years..

PS: I took they word over any tuner shop here , since they using and racing Evos over 14 years . Build and rent them for other teams now...
Also they using them the most harsh enviroment : Rally . And on daily bases.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by BOOSTEZ
It would probably get sloppy around the track. Being great around the track at 400whp doesn't make it exceptional at 600whp with the same suspension setup.

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Drivers make a car sloppy but I don't think anyone is advocating building a 600 WHP X for track duty while retaining the stock suspension.
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 09:01 AM
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I dont understand the (RE)sleeve (I was under the impression the stock block was sleeved from the factory)

its good to see someone adding insurance to their motor though (hopefully the will need it)


as for the iron over AL wow drop it who really cares? in the end you all sound like nuts wingers.
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