I would be running 94. since they have it at almost every Husky in Canada.

Well 94, same thing but we dont have E85 up here even though they sell vehicles up here that can run on E85 such as my 2009 Tahoe..

 

I would also like to know what type of numbers we are looking at with this turbo with supporting mods and pump gas 93 if it would be under 380 I think I might stick with the stock turbo.

 

It depends on what dyno you are looking to make those numbers with. You for sure will not make 380whp on our dyno or CBRD's with the stock turbo and 93 Octane.

 

Just with some rough calculations, you'd be able to make at least 525-550 bhp with a proper 57 lb/min turbo on the 4B11T. Seems in line with what the FP Red produces.

I figure people have already made 450 WHP on methanol with the Blouch Dominator 2.0, so 450 WHP on pump 93 should be attainable with this setup.

 

93 with a good stock-frame turbo comes out about the same as a stock turbo with E85. I'd expect 390-400 on a Dynojet and 350-360 on Dyno Dynamics.

The BBK's claim to fame is retaining the low-end while still hitting good peak numbers. I'm sure most prospective customers will be scrutinizing the curve more than the peak.

 

The setups are still going to have quite a bit different power curves though.

Keep in mind that the stock turbo has great torque and power delivery when tuned for high boost using E85 and/or Meth but the power delivery is definitely strongest from 3500-5500 and then from 5500+ it tends to taper off due to flow limits of the stock turbo where boost tapers down to 20 psi at redline. It's great for street driving and pulls strong from just about any RPM, but revving the gears until 7500 will mean you are out of the juicy power band since boost would be constantly tapering from ~25 psi down to 20 psi.

With an upgraded turbo that supports higher boost at 5500+ rpm's like my GT30 turbo you may lose some low end punch up until 4000 but after that if the turbo is designed well it will be all over the stock turbo in performance. I know that my latest combo after swapping some parts is better low end torque and the thing pulls all the way til 8000+ with over 27 psi holding until 7400. I'm also thinking about Meth so that I can run 30-32 psi on pump gas which would be a sick torque hit at 4000 rpm's.

Sounds like the BBK turbo may have most of the top end benefits while still retaining most of the low end if the wheel combo is a perfect match for the housing. Should be interesting once we see some numbers roll out with these turbos installed.

 

Cliff Notes: this turbo will have the spool characteristics of a GT3071R, with the flow capacity of an FP Red or greater (57-58 lb/min like Chad said). This is a recipe for massive win, hence me buying one in less than 2 weeks. w00t!

But in all honesty, I hope to make 500 WHP corrected (1.10 CR for turbo cars - I'm at 4500 ft) with this turbo. Should be perfectly attainable!

But on a side note, it would be AMAZING to get a DBB CHRA option for this turbo...

 

Yeah, it looks like cost-effective fueling upgrades is the next hurdle for the X. The E85 guys are looking for a solid double-pump solution (looks like FIC recently released some injectors in the 1-2k cc space) and for meth it'd be nice to have map switching.

 

we can do a BB CHRA but "it ain't cheap" hee he..



or you can wait for our complete tial housing tak33rb turbo kit in the spring

cb

 

^What kind of manifold would I need for the tak33rb? More info on this setup please!

 

not trying to high jack the thread, but just to get numbers right. FP RED is 60/lb min.

 

The FP Red does NOT flow 60 lb/min. It's more like 56-57 lb/min, if that. Probably more like 55.

A GT35R flows a hair more than 60 lb/min, so you're meaning to tell me that the FP Red can do the same? Stop regurgitating things you read online...

 

if by regurgitating you mean researching then damn, i guess you should stop too then huh. or did you actually buy and FP RED and measure how many pounds a minute it delivers?... didn't think so. it's all good, i'm calling FP tomorrow anyways so i'll just ask them and we'll find out for sure. i hope asking the people that make it is enough for you though.....

 

What's the difference with this new BBK XL compare to the regular BBK??? Is it still going to spool up as fast?

 

If the Evo X FP Red flowed 60 lb/min, people would be making almost 600 WHP with it. But they're not. More like 490 MAX. And I doubt FP will give you a straight answer because they probably don't know for certain. They don't even have compressor maps available for their turbos.

Even if FP says it flows "60 lb/min," they're wrong as well because it just doesn't. Every single dyno result I've read about from the FP Red shows that it flows anywhere from 47 to 54 lb/min efficiently. If you didn't know, lb/min flow figures can be backwards calculated based upon peak power output, engine displacement, boost pressure, and base volumetric efficiency at a particular RPM. It's not that complicated, I don't have to buy an FP Red to know it doesn't flow 60 lb/min. I can, however, have previously owned a GT35R and know very well what a 61 lb/min turbo can do... and have made 560-ish WHP on 23 psi with it. Nobody has even gotten close to that with the FP Red.

I'm hugely unimpressed with what FP has done with the Evo X FP Red, to be honest.