EVO X Transmission failures. Hmm.. I'd appreciate your input.

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Apr 21, 2010 | 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by UT_Evo

^ Obviously has never driven a X and STi back to back on windy roads or a track... I would definitely not call it a monster compared to the STi. And granted, throwing mods at a car to make it better completely ruins the argument. But do an alignment or springs or sway bar (anything to fix the understeer on the STi) and you'll have a car that is a dream to drive.

FYI, I work for Subaru HQ in Cherry hill, NJ. I have driven my fair share of the new and old STIs from Subaru and friends. In stock form, I have never truly felt as comfortable in sharp turn-ins as the Evo. I am no track junkie and even I could notice the difference. When you really push it around turns, you can literally feel the S-AWC pushing out the tail end to avoid understeer, its a feeling I am yet to see in the STI. This is all not hear-say, its from my own experience.

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Sure S-AWC is a great set up, sure it'll make any crappy driver better. But does it make a GOOD driver better than the same driver in an STi? No, not even close. I felt more comfortable pushing the two Xs I extensively test drove. But I didn't feel it was any more capable than the STi.

Again, I have to disagree. I have driven both these vehicles over a certain period of time and I can tell you for sure that as far as performance in turns goes, the evo wins hands down. A good driver is likely to post better times with the Evo since the likelyhood of his mistakes hampering his time is lesser. Of course, I am only talking about stock comparo. Once you start modifying, the win is up for grabs.

I do plan on getting myself into one of the newer spec-c equivalent (special edition in US) to see how they compare. Subaru seems to have upped the ante with this release.

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Then again, this is coming from someone who used to drive a race prepped S2000, which could snap around on you any second, and easily out cornered my Evo. Sure it was scary to push anywhere near the speeds the Evo could do, but it could do it, and do it better. Thankfully the STi just understeers like a pig in stock form when you push it too hard. Drive it right with the DCCD set to Auto[-], S# mode, and the TC off and it drives just fine.

I tried many combinations of settings on the STI in my time with it, and I have to respectfully disagree. The softer suspension simply cannot support the body the way the stiffer suspension on the evo does (the 08+ models). I'm not saying they are not comparable, but if one had to choose a winner, the evo it is by all reasonable observations.

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Personally, both cars are completely equal, just as they have always been. They both have their ups and downs (Evo can handle more power in stock form and is cheaper to mod/maintain). In the end. I've had bad luck with Mitsu and have always wanted a fast hatchback. Plus the X's turbolag was still too much for me. The choice was obvious.

I'm sorry, they are definitely not equal. They may have been designed to do the same thing, but they are not the same. architecturally speaking, they are completely different.

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In the end, what you should do is drive both, decide which one you like better based on your own factors. They are both very very amazing cars, and other than the two of them, there's nothing else quite like em.

now that makes sense and I can agree with it. Anyone trying to cross-shop the two must drive both and decide what they like. Unfortunately, getting test drives at dealerships for these cars is not easy, depending on where you are. Very often, you are left to decide based on your own understanding of the cars.

Apr 21, 2010 | 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kyooch

truth. anyone who talks a lot about the differences between Xs, STIs, and even the older evos is honestly exaggerating a lot - there are noticeable differences, but overall performance is all within < 1 second of each other.

Only threads I've seen about it are

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...solutions.html

and https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...nder-clip.html

Not directly related to just the transmission and gears, but closely related

Yes, the differences are very minor to the casual daily driver. Many will not drive hard enough to test the limits anyway.

Apr 21, 2010 | 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hotdog

I think the Evo's greatest strength is its ability to make me, a nerd, who enjoys anime and touching myself to furry ****, feel like a ****ing ninja on a curvy road. My own 2006 STI, and 2002 WRX, never give me the feeling of confidence at the limit. Now, granted, this is because I am a horrible, horrible, horrible drivers, and the AWC is my own personal *****, but I'd bet good money that more people are similar skill to me as opposed, to, say, anything approaching "good".

very well put.

Apr 21, 2010 | 06:21 PM

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Yes, the differences are very minor to the casual daily driver. Many will not drive hard enough to test the limits anyway.

Not just the casual daily driver - but that's a separate issue.

In terms of the STI or Evo thing, I'm sure if you work at the Subaru HQ you know the STI stock suspension is set up to understeer from the factory - And a simple suspension swap completely changes the handling characteristic of the car - the stock suspension is somewhat a limiter of the car's handling.

I wrote somewhere else, after driving the cars, I actually prefer the drivetrain of the STI overall when set up properly

Apr 21, 2010 | 06:30 PM

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Totally agree. But I was just comparing them in the stock form. If mods are brought into the mix, its a whole different ball game.

Apr 21, 2010 | 06:31 PM

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Totally agree. But I was just comparing them in the stock form. If mods are brought into the mix, its a whole different ball game.

Apr 21, 2010 | 07:24 PM

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The only complaint I have with the evo x GSR transmission is it's notchiness but once its warmed up it's good to go. As far as the MR go you can get clutch packs and you'll be good to go I think SSP has a 11 sec MR. The only thing that i would say you really have to watch out for is the damn fuel pump relay a couple of guys had their engine blow up because of it, good thing is it's only ten dollars to replace it.

Apr 21, 2010 | 07:29 PM

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2008 X GSR 14k mile approaching , hard lunches , exedy triple disc clutch other wise bone stock drive train. no issue. Thats all i have to say ...

here is one turn from last weekend, so you know its not a DD...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xTXQQwfQI

Rob

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Apr 21, 2010 | 09:13 PM

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get the sti...

Apr 21, 2010 | 09:14 PM

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Nice driving Rob!

Apr 21, 2010 | 10:14 PM

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Best way to answer this is to drive both your self. I use to own a 05 STI and loved it to death so when it came time for a new ride I tested a 08 STi. I then tested a 08 Evo right after and have to say the evo's awd is what sold me. There's a nice tight little round about near the dealerships so I got to take both cars on the same route. I couldn't believe how well the evo stuck to the ground vs the rear end happy sti.

The new sti is going back to the sedan from the wagon so if looks is big I would wait till those hit the show room floor and see one in person.

Apr 21, 2010 | 11:45 PM

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The MT itself is ok, but the center diff is the weak part. It often fails and causes oil leak. That in turn may destroy the tranny. It happened to many people (myself included).
The stock clutch MC is also a ****ty part and breaks with a stronger clutch.