FP Red price hike?
. i sure would rather pay 1500 then the 2020 i paid for my black lol
I dont know what to say to be honest.. You need parts to compliment any turbo or any serious upgrade that requires more fuel.. Instead of calling this a price hike how about calling it " thanks for the many months it was on SALE "..
I would have a different view regardless of being a vendor if FP said " well XXXturbo company is out of business so now if you want the Red its 2500.00 either take it or leave it "..
They are a company in business to make $$$.. Suppose they lowered the price because they got a SICK deal on some of the parts needed to build that turbo and now that company raised their price back up 200.00.. should they operate at a loss..
Come on guys look at the whole picture.. The turbo is priced competitive with any one else's and FP has proven to be #1 in this community for years.. Id say you should be in some other threads saying " hey your turbo doesn't perform up to the same level as FP's maybe lower the price and more people will accept the inferior turbo for what it is at a lower price "..
Mike
I would have a different view regardless of being a vendor if FP said " well XXXturbo company is out of business so now if you want the Red its 2500.00 either take it or leave it "..
They are a company in business to make $$$.. Suppose they lowered the price because they got a SICK deal on some of the parts needed to build that turbo and now that company raised their price back up 200.00.. should they operate at a loss..
Come on guys look at the whole picture.. The turbo is priced competitive with any one else's and FP has proven to be #1 in this community for years.. Id say you should be in some other threads saying " hey your turbo doesn't perform up to the same level as FP's maybe lower the price and more people will accept the inferior turbo for what it is at a lower price "..
Mike
I run a business as well and understand that as the owner of said business I need to not only make money off my customers, but also save money as a consumer from my suppliers. It would be very hard for me to justify to my customers that a certain service or product has been on sale for months and now I'm putting it back to regular price. I say this because it doesn't seem as if the people concerned about the pricing knew it was on sale, it seems as if they thought this was the price. But I do in fact run into increasing prices on certain items and services when my cost increases and most of my customers, even though not happy, can understand that.
In saying this it does seem you are a good business owner seeing as there are a lot of people on this board who are willing to go to bat for you. And I can tell you are very passionate about the products you represent, knowing a whole lot more than me and probably most others about your products and the competition. I would have no problem buying from you, because just like you are loyal to your suppliers I'm sure you are just as loyal to your customers.
Last edited by 00EvoX; Sep 4, 2010 at 09:48 AM.
Ok i'm annoyed. Call me cheap, whatever. It's bull****. So f*** all the people saying that. I was simply pointing out, that for TWO YEARS, the turbo has been a good price. Compared to the 35r kits and the dom, its been priced correct. It delivered exactly the performance you'd expect for the price.
Now, with the price increase, for whatever reason, it's value is no longer aligned with it's price. So, TO ME, the 35r kit became the better value proposition. I am not cheap, I am in fact spending MORE money than I was originally going to. Because a 15% price increase is high. And makes the red simply not worth the performance it gives. A dom is now 10% cheaper, for the same pump gas performance. A 35r kit on pump is now much closer in price compared to a red with e85 due to the fuel system necessary for the e85.
That's all this thread was started for. Comments such as: "LOL cheapness no cure for it really." can stfu. All I was doing was inquiring as to how/why a 15% price increase was made without any word from FP, and letting people know that it took place.
So sorry that I'm too 'cheap' for wondering why a part went up that much in price. Apparently it's easier to call people cheap and have a big e-peen than to either give a good, logical answer or stay out of it.
Thanks
Now, with the price increase, for whatever reason, it's value is no longer aligned with it's price. So, TO ME, the 35r kit became the better value proposition. I am not cheap, I am in fact spending MORE money than I was originally going to. Because a 15% price increase is high. And makes the red simply not worth the performance it gives. A dom is now 10% cheaper, for the same pump gas performance. A 35r kit on pump is now much closer in price compared to a red with e85 due to the fuel system necessary for the e85.
That's all this thread was started for. Comments such as: "LOL cheapness no cure for it really." can stfu. All I was doing was inquiring as to how/why a 15% price increase was made without any word from FP, and letting people know that it took place.
So sorry that I'm too 'cheap' for wondering why a part went up that much in price. Apparently it's easier to call people cheap and have a big e-peen than to either give a good, logical answer or stay out of it.
Thanks
Ok i'm annoyed. Call me cheap, whatever. It's bull****. So f*** all the people saying that. I was simply pointing out, that for TWO YEARS, the turbo has been a good price. Compared to the 35r kits and the dom, its been priced correct. It delivered exactly the performance you'd expect for the price.
Now, with the price increase, for whatever reason, it's value is no longer aligned with it's price. So, TO ME, the 35r kit became the better value proposition. I am not cheap, I am in fact spending MORE money than I was originally going to. Because a 15% price increase is high. And makes the red simply not worth the performance it gives. A dom is now 10% cheaper, for the same pump gas performance. A 35r kit on pump is now much closer in price compared to a red with e85 due to the fuel system necessary for the e85.
That's all this thread was started for. Comments such as: "LOL cheapness no cure for it really." can stfu. All I was doing was inquiring as to how/why a 15% price increase was made without any word from FP, and letting people know that it took place.
So sorry that I'm too 'cheap' for wondering why a part went up that much in price. Apparently it's easier to call people cheap and have a big e-peen than to either give a good, logical answer or stay out of it.
Thanks
Now, with the price increase, for whatever reason, it's value is no longer aligned with it's price. So, TO ME, the 35r kit became the better value proposition. I am not cheap, I am in fact spending MORE money than I was originally going to. Because a 15% price increase is high. And makes the red simply not worth the performance it gives. A dom is now 10% cheaper, for the same pump gas performance. A 35r kit on pump is now much closer in price compared to a red with e85 due to the fuel system necessary for the e85.
That's all this thread was started for. Comments such as: "LOL cheapness no cure for it really." can stfu. All I was doing was inquiring as to how/why a 15% price increase was made without any word from FP, and letting people know that it took place.
So sorry that I'm too 'cheap' for wondering why a part went up that much in price. Apparently it's easier to call people cheap and have a big e-peen than to either give a good, logical answer or stay out of it.
Thanks
Mike
why does it matter WHY the price went up?
it went up... deal with it..
either the turbo is still a good buy OR its not... you decide
if you want the DOM2 or 35R kit then go that route...
you cant compare a 35R to a Red+E85 they will produce different results...
FP have been saying for a LONG time that the Green+Red turbos will go up in price, so ....
it went up... deal with it..
either the turbo is still a good buy OR its not... you decide
if you want the DOM2 or 35R kit then go that route...
you cant compare a 35R to a Red+E85 they will produce different results...
FP have been saying for a LONG time that the Green+Red turbos will go up in price, so ....
dom is and has been 1450 at buschur for 2+ years. 10%
And really, you can dig through the dyno section yourself. It's common knowledge that w/o meth or e85, dom and red do the same horsepower. The HTA wheels are designed to run at better efficiency at higher boost, and 93 gas wont support it. Sub 30 psi, they perform the same. Not even the point though. At 1400, the value TO ME was good. At 1600, I prefer a 35r kit.
I just take offense to being called cheap, especially by a vendor who I would presume would want my business some day, because I feel that one part is a better value than another.
And really, you can dig through the dyno section yourself. It's common knowledge that w/o meth or e85, dom and red do the same horsepower. The HTA wheels are designed to run at better efficiency at higher boost, and 93 gas wont support it. Sub 30 psi, they perform the same. Not even the point though. At 1400, the value TO ME was good. At 1600, I prefer a 35r kit.
I just take offense to being called cheap, especially by a vendor who I would presume would want my business some day, because I feel that one part is a better value than another.
I wasn't saying this was a hike, but was saying that $200 can be a good amount of money. That is why you would put it back to REGULAR price, isn't it? I do agree nobody in business operates at a loss unless there is pride involved aka Bugatti. But I am reading in this thread that a $200 increase shouldn't be a deterrent to buying a product, but just like a business trys to make money consumers try to save money, and when I can buy "XXXturbo" for $400 less and my goals are a 400hp daily driver, I want to save the money.
I run a business as well and understand that as the owner of said business I need to not only make money off my customers, but also save money as a consumer from my suppliers. It would be very hard for me to justify to my customers that a certain service or product has been on sale for months and now I'm putting it back to regular price. I say this because it doesn't seem as if the people concerned about the pricing knew it was on sale, it seems as if they thought this was the price. But I do in fact run into increasing prices on certain items and services when my cost increases and most of my customers, even though not happy, can understand that.
In saying this it does seem you are a good business owner seeing as there are a lot of people on this board who are willing to go to bat for you. And I can tell you are very passionate about the products you represent, knowing a whole lot more than me and probably most others about your products and the competition. I would have no problem buying from you, because just like you are loyal to your suppliers I'm sure you are just as loyal to your customers.
I run a business as well and understand that as the owner of said business I need to not only make money off my customers, but also save money as a consumer from my suppliers. It would be very hard for me to justify to my customers that a certain service or product has been on sale for months and now I'm putting it back to regular price. I say this because it doesn't seem as if the people concerned about the pricing knew it was on sale, it seems as if they thought this was the price. But I do in fact run into increasing prices on certain items and services when my cost increases and most of my customers, even though not happy, can understand that.
In saying this it does seem you are a good business owner seeing as there are a lot of people on this board who are willing to go to bat for you. And I can tell you are very passionate about the products you represent, knowing a whole lot more than me and probably most others about your products and the competition. I would have no problem buying from you, because just like you are loyal to your suppliers I'm sure you are just as loyal to your customers.
Below is not directed at you.. 00evoX
However if turbo A is significantly better say 10% better why shouldn't it COMMAND a 10% larger price.. better yet 6%..
2nd id like to see in the last 7 years ANY TURBO COMPANY that has done what FP has done for this community.. Do you know the 100's of 1000's of dollars FP spends in R&D to come out with the 10 different turbo choices we have???
You guys should all be smart consumers.. I am a smart advice provider for my customers.. these records in our signature didnt appear from not testing EVERY single FP Turbo and EVERY single PTE turbo.. I would NEVER allow my customer to buy a turbo that makes significantly less power to save 100.00.. When i tune that car with my name on it and he gets his *** handed to him by an FP red car it looks like i gave my customer poor advice.. Not the way i do business..
Im just having trouble grasping the concept of why ANYONE would be upset that a turbo that was ON SALE went back to its NORMAL PRICE other than the fact that they didnt act on it while on sale.. Maybe its an EVO X thing i dont know.. I havent read 1 complaint about Evo 9 FP pricing for the product you get..
MIke
Last edited by AWD Motorsports; May 15, 2010 at 09:09 PM.
dom is and has been 1450 at buschur for 2+ years. 10%
And really, you can dig through the dyno section yourself. It's common knowledge that w/o meth or e85, dom and red do the same horsepower. The HTA wheels are designed to run at better efficiency at higher boost, and 93 gas wont support it. Sub 30 psi, they perform the same. Not even the point though. At 1400, the value TO ME was good. At 1600, I prefer a 35r kit.
I just take offense to being called cheap, especially by a vendor who I would presume would want my business some day, because I feel that one part is a better value than another.
And really, you can dig through the dyno section yourself. It's common knowledge that w/o meth or e85, dom and red do the same horsepower. The HTA wheels are designed to run at better efficiency at higher boost, and 93 gas wont support it. Sub 30 psi, they perform the same. Not even the point though. At 1400, the value TO ME was good. At 1600, I prefer a 35r kit.
I just take offense to being called cheap, especially by a vendor who I would presume would want my business some day, because I feel that one part is a better value than another.
Im asking for you to show me a Pump Gas Red DOM that makes 475whp.. Send me a link to a sheet please since you know better than i do where to find them.. I have NEVER seen one yet..
Mike
) I hate to see what happens if the 35r kit you want goes up 200 then i guess your sticking with the stock turbo huh?
^^^ why evox is the only real evo forum.
If you want to blindly sell your loyalty, feel free. I appreciate what FP has done. Just, for me, their turbo is not worth 1600. And to get it proper, meaning with the actuator that you really need, and with porting, is 1800. I simply posted my opinion, and somehow you turn it into personal attacks on me. I'd argue that CBRD has done more for the evo community. And their turbo is the same price. But i'm not interested in it either at that price. It's just too close to the 35r kits.
Not once did I mention "im just to cheap you opt for the ebay brand rather then proven". I'm fairly sure ETS is proven. I'm fairly sure I never mentioned ebay or any such thing. If you want to keep making **** up to insult me, feel free. I'll be on evox.
Any mods, please close my thread, apparently this community doesn't want to hear anything that questions their holy idols. Sound like damn apple fanboys.
If you want to blindly sell your loyalty, feel free. I appreciate what FP has done. Just, for me, their turbo is not worth 1600. And to get it proper, meaning with the actuator that you really need, and with porting, is 1800. I simply posted my opinion, and somehow you turn it into personal attacks on me. I'd argue that CBRD has done more for the evo community. And their turbo is the same price. But i'm not interested in it either at that price. It's just too close to the 35r kits.
Not once did I mention "im just to cheap you opt for the ebay brand rather then proven". I'm fairly sure ETS is proven. I'm fairly sure I never mentioned ebay or any such thing. If you want to keep making **** up to insult me, feel free. I'll be on evox.
Any mods, please close my thread, apparently this community doesn't want to hear anything that questions their holy idols. Sound like damn apple fanboys.
^^^ why evox is the only real evo forum.
If you want to blindly sell your loyalty, feel free. I appreciate what FP has done. Just, for me, their turbo is not worth 1600. And to get it proper, meaning with the actuator that you really need, and with porting, is 1800. I simply posted my opinion, and somehow you turn it into personal attacks on me. I'd argue that CBRD has done more for the evo community. And their turbo is the same price. But i'm not interested in it either at that price. It's just too close to the 35r kits.
Not once did I mention "im just to cheap you opt for the ebay brand rather then proven". I'm fairly sure ETS is proven. I'm fairly sure I never mentioned ebay or any such thing. If you want to keep making **** up to insult me, feel free. I'll be on evox.
Any mods, please close my thread, apparently this community doesn't want to hear anything that questions their holy idols. Sound like damn apple fanboys.
If you want to blindly sell your loyalty, feel free. I appreciate what FP has done. Just, for me, their turbo is not worth 1600. And to get it proper, meaning with the actuator that you really need, and with porting, is 1800. I simply posted my opinion, and somehow you turn it into personal attacks on me. I'd argue that CBRD has done more for the evo community. And their turbo is the same price. But i'm not interested in it either at that price. It's just too close to the 35r kits.
Not once did I mention "im just to cheap you opt for the ebay brand rather then proven". I'm fairly sure ETS is proven. I'm fairly sure I never mentioned ebay or any such thing. If you want to keep making **** up to insult me, feel free. I'll be on evox.
Any mods, please close my thread, apparently this community doesn't want to hear anything that questions their holy idols. Sound like damn apple fanboys.
CBRD charges to port their turbos, no?? Its not standard?? what actuator do you need?? it comes with an actuator that we made 525whp with that holds boost great..
Mike
FP and CBRD both charge extra for porting. Blouch turbos comes with what many people consider to be the best actuator. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
The only Red I've seen in that space was on a built motor and on a dyno that I'm skeptical about.
You aren't coming across very well in this thread. You might what to consider the image you're portraying of your company right now.
You aren't coming across very well in this thread. You might what to consider the image you're portraying of your company right now.
Last edited by mlomker; May 16, 2010 at 07:45 PM.
FP and CBRD both charge extra for porting. Blouch turbos comes with what many people consider to be the best actuator. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
The only Red I've seen in that space was on a built motor and on a dyno that I'm skeptical about.
You aren't coming across very well in this thread. You might what to consider the image you're portraying of your company right now.
The only Red I've seen in that space was on a built motor and on a dyno that I'm skeptical about.
You aren't coming across very well in this thread. You might what to consider the image you're portraying of your company right now.
What does the actuator do for the Blouch turbo that makes it considered to be the BEST??
Im the only VENDOR in here trying to discuss the concerns and shed some light on why it costs more, why price went up, why i believe its a better turbo.. What image is portrayed?? Was i RUDE to anyone by just asking questions about statements made??
You know the Evo X crowd seems to be much different then the 8/9 crowd.. Not sure if the complete change in car attracts a completely different crowd then i am used to but i was just trying to be helpful and point out some obvious reasons why the red costs what it does..
Mike
