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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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CharlesJ, would you mind sharing any more information you have in regards to the part of your quote that I highlighted?
There are two issues with the AMT(automated manual transmission) for the evoX. First is true of most of these types of trannies. That is that for whatever reason, they are not built to hold power dramatically exceeding that of the stock vehicle. For example, the new GTR unit is rate at a max of 5xx tq. The Evo unit is sure to be lower than that. I am sure that things internally could be upgraded, but at what cost. This new technology is not as easily upgradeable as a standard clutch.

The second problem is the increased computer presence which is the first obstacle to get by. Some are more sensitive than others. In the case of the evoX, I have been assured that the AMT version will shut down at the first notice of increased power or modifications. Although it is a completely different transmission type than the outlander CVT, it has the same affect. I was told directly that the 5spd basically exists for all those that want to modify the vehicle.

Inevitably, someone will crack the computer and bypass this so that owners with this transmission may modify their cars, by they will still run into the first problem mentioned.
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 02:58 PM
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Back on track with the OP, this would be a crazy project for someone with too much money and or time on their hands for little gain. The Evo X is faster and better equiped, so if you dont hate it, it makes dramatically more sense just to get it than swapping in what will probably be 4k+ in just parts and a ridiculous amount of headaches
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dklau33
I don't know why people keep on making this same mistake.

Outlander = CVT
EvoX = SST (Dual Clutch Automated Manual)

CVT != SST

Two completely different transmissions.



WRONG! Outlander comes with a 5speed auto. No CVT until the release of the 2.4L engine.
The standard Lancer 2.0L come with a CVT.
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlesJ
Back on track with the OP, this would be a crazy project for someone with too much money and or time on their hands for little gain. The Evo X is faster and better equiped, so if you dont hate it, it makes dramatically more sense just to get it than swapping in what will probably be 4k+ in just parts and a ridiculous amount of headaches

Werd......just ask the Volkswagen faithful. They've been trying to crack the DSG software for sometime. I think the closest anyone's come is a $7G tranny swap.
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlesJ
There are two issues with the AMT(automated manual transmission) for the evoX. First is true of most of these types of trannies. That is that for whatever reason, they are not built to hold power dramatically exceeding that of the stock vehicle. For example, the new GTR unit is rate at a max of 5xx tq. The Evo unit is sure to be lower than that. I am sure that things internally could be upgraded, but at what cost. This new technology is not as easily upgradeable as a standard clutch.

The second problem is the increased computer presence which is the first obstacle to get by. Some are more sensitive than others. In the case of the evoX, I have been assured that the AMT version will shut down at the first notice of increased power or modifications. Although it is a completely different transmission type than the outlander CVT, it has the same affect. I was told directly that the 5spd basically exists for all those that want to modify the vehicle.
I agree the SST won't be as upgradeable as a clutch and anyone looking for serious power should get a 5speed.
I disagree that the SST would "shut down" as soon as increased power is detected, that is absolutely ridiculous. I don't even see how this could be argued because of common sense.
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FLK
I agree the SST won't be as upgradeable as a clutch and anyone looking for serious power should get a 5speed.
I disagree that the SST would "shut down" as soon as increased power is detected, that is absolutely ridiculous. I don't even see how this could be argued because of common sense.
It makes perfect sense. Automakers will do anything and everything to protect one of the most expensive parts on the car from fraudulent warranty claims. A DSG tranny is ridiculously expensive and costly to repair as well. They are extremely sensitive and do not tolerate being used in a manner that it wasn't programmed for; i.e. a motor that puts out more power than factory issued.
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FLK
I agree the SST won't be as upgradeable as a clutch and anyone looking for serious power should get a 5speed.
I disagree that the SST would "shut down" as soon as increased power is detected, that is absolutely ridiculous. I don't even see how this could be argued because of common sense.
Its already implemented in many transmissions. Forces the vehicle into a safe mode much like any major check engine light. Mercedes has a torque sensor on all their high hp cars so that if it senses too much torque, it shuts it down before you rip apart a uber expensive transmission. Additionally, this information came directly from mistubishi. Now i doubt the example of something as simple as an intake will set it off, but it was described as extremely sensitive to change and trip into safe mode if sensed
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 05:51 PM
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Charles, Id have to disagree just a tad about the new GTR's transmission.

After extensive reading, I would admit without a doubt, the weakest link is in the clutch-then again. maybe not.

It has 6 large disks for the even and 6 disks for the odd gears....

But the design of the transmission is very close to a longitudinal transaxle you would find on any number of supercars out there. The real magic comes from the operating system that shifts the transmission it self, so inherently I believe the tranny is stronger than most.

Although, you DID say that it would hold 5XX lb ft of torque, which quite honestly....is damn well good enough for me!

I am NOT as optimistic about the X's transmission.
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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for that money what that swap and tune will cost you...
Get a straight cut, dogbox tranny. And you will be a king.

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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 06:05 PM
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for the clutch. The evos clutch always engeneered to give up when the HP incresed. Why they would change that on the X?
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 06:13 PM
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Thanks, Charles, for expanding on what you heard. I 100% agree. I work for Audi and know the troubles of modifying a DSG-equipped car. With SST being nearly identical to DSG, I had a sneaky feeling the SST would be quite difficult to modify. Your discussion with Mitsu confirms what I was thinking.
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 07:01 PM
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for that money what that swap and tune will cost you...
Get a straight cut, dogbox tranny. And you will be a king.
DITTO! add a sequential shifter and the setup is pretty much bulletproof. Or pour more money into it have it electronic controlled via air solenoids with paddle shifters and you have yourself a WRC style trans that will clearly blow the stock SST trans away
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 07:04 PM
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keep the 5 spd or go with a 6 spd if you HAVE to spend money....
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dklau33
I don't know why people keep on making this same mistake.

Outlander = CVT
EvoX = SST (Dual Clutch Automated Manual)

CVT != SST

Two completely different transmissions.
The Outlander I am referring to, is NOT a CVT like some of the new Lancers.

I was talking about the 2007 Outlanders, which had a paddle shifting transmission. It definitely had distinct gears.
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