Best Motoring X vs IX Battle
if anyone attempts to judge or compare the X to any other car from this video,
YOU ARE NUTZZZ !!!!
Thats right, there were so many circuimstances, that would make this an exercise in futility,
In order to fairly compare anything to anything else, the circumstances or environment, have to be very controlled, here, they were anything but.
Don't get mad if you feel like i am talking like i was trying to explain something to a 5-year old. Example (simplified scientific method):
Hypothesis: EVO IX is faster than EVO X in straight line 1/4 mile results
Test: yes, do a 1/4 mile pull on drag strip
Results: interpret result accordingly,
Assumptions: same driver, same track, same day, both cars are healthy, all other small details to ensure fairness and to minimize margin of error
*this method can be applied to make any other statements already out there, except for subjective opinions such as "Evo 9 is better looking than Evo X" which should actually be " Personally, I think the 9 is hotter than 10"
Conclusion: ALL of the tests and posted 0-60 times, track times, etc, are flawed and need to be taken very lightly until such time that some very solid/controlled comparison tests are done. This track video is probably the most convoluted, unpractical, unfair, flawed way to judge any car against the other.
I am not X lover or as i have stated in othe posts in this section, i will believe it when i see it, feel it drive it, I am not writing off a car that has not even been officially released yet, anyone that does is just looking for something to ***** about, so go ahead and *****.
YOU ARE NUTZZZ !!!!
Thats right, there were so many circuimstances, that would make this an exercise in futility,
In order to fairly compare anything to anything else, the circumstances or environment, have to be very controlled, here, they were anything but.
Don't get mad if you feel like i am talking like i was trying to explain something to a 5-year old. Example (simplified scientific method):
Hypothesis: EVO IX is faster than EVO X in straight line 1/4 mile results
Test: yes, do a 1/4 mile pull on drag strip
Results: interpret result accordingly,
Assumptions: same driver, same track, same day, both cars are healthy, all other small details to ensure fairness and to minimize margin of error
*this method can be applied to make any other statements already out there, except for subjective opinions such as "Evo 9 is better looking than Evo X" which should actually be " Personally, I think the 9 is hotter than 10"
Conclusion: ALL of the tests and posted 0-60 times, track times, etc, are flawed and need to be taken very lightly until such time that some very solid/controlled comparison tests are done. This track video is probably the most convoluted, unpractical, unfair, flawed way to judge any car against the other.
I am not X lover or as i have stated in othe posts in this section, i will believe it when i see it, feel it drive it, I am not writing off a car that has not even been officially released yet, anyone that does is just looking for something to ***** about, so go ahead and *****.
Watching that video, I saw a bunch of times where they totally blew the apex. The dude in the IX stands out in my mind as doing it the most, but I remember the dude in the STI, and I think in one of the X's doing it as well. I'm talking when they had a clear shot at the apex, not when they were stuck in traffic.
What was with that Blue (IIRC) Hyundai (or whatever the hell it was)? The in-car camera showed that guy having to do some major corrections with the wheel, before the car dissappeared entirely
Last edited by fastkevin; Dec 4, 2007 at 09:41 AM.
did you read what i just wrote?
how about taking drivers for one, as someone pointed out? lets just take that, what if the driver of the STI had a cold, or missed a shift, or was tripping on LSD and wasnt to his full potential, would it be fair then say the the STI sucks or is a crappy car?
how about taking drivers for one, as someone pointed out? lets just take that, what if the driver of the STI had a cold, or missed a shift, or was tripping on LSD and wasnt to his full potential, would it be fair then say the the STI sucks or is a crappy car?
A missed shift is not going to cause a driver/car to loose over a 3 lap battle... & pro drivers dont really make too many mistakes, even if they have a cold. On top off that we are talking about 'stock' cars here.. those guys were probably falling asleep while driving those things comapred to the cars they usually race in.... & im pretty sure no one was on LSD, i get your point of being devils advocate but your embellishing the variables... they are not as important as you think.
If you are into performance, seeing a pro driver take a car out for hotlaps on a roadcourse is probably going to be your best bet (short of you driving it yourself) in evaluating its 'overall' performance.
To any experienced driver, it was clear in this video that the X's got straight up SPANKED by the 9....
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yeah, I read what you wrote... how many times you been to the road course?
A missed shift is not going to cause a driver/car to loose over a 3 lap battle... & pro drivers dont really make too many mistakes, even if they have a cold. On top off that we are talking about 'stock' cars here.. those guys were probably falling asleep while driving those things comapred to the cars they usually race in.... & im pretty sure no one was on LSD, i get your point of being devils advocate but your embellishing the variables... they are not as important as you think.
If you are into performance, seeing a pro driver take a car out for hotlaps on a roadcourse is probably going to be your best bet (short of you driving it yourself) in evaluating its 'overall' performance.
To any experienced driver, it was clear in this video that the X's got straight up SPANKED by the 9....
n
A missed shift is not going to cause a driver/car to loose over a 3 lap battle... & pro drivers dont really make too many mistakes, even if they have a cold. On top off that we are talking about 'stock' cars here.. those guys were probably falling asleep while driving those things comapred to the cars they usually race in.... & im pretty sure no one was on LSD, i get your point of being devils advocate but your embellishing the variables... they are not as important as you think.
If you are into performance, seeing a pro driver take a car out for hotlaps on a roadcourse is probably going to be your best bet (short of you driving it yourself) in evaluating its 'overall' performance.
To any experienced driver, it was clear in this video that the X's got straight up SPANKED by the 9....
n
+1 on all points
This is as good as it gets in terms of making things equal for the cars being compared. Very experienced drivers on the same track, at the same time with sufficient number of laps to eliminate the effects of one or two simple mistakes. Plus the difference was big enough to leave no doubts that a std JDM IX is faster than a std JDM X on a race track.
you are correct, all valid points, i was more general in just trying to make a point
Good point(s), but I doubt you'd get truly accurate results even with the same driver. He could have more experience in one over the other, could work better with one better than the other, could find some time on the track in the first stint, and use it in the second. In a far-from-perfect world however, it's probably as close as it'll get.
Watching that video, I saw a bunch of times where they totally blew the apex. The dude in the IX stands out in my mind as doing it the most, but I remember the dude in the STI, and I think in one of the X's doing it as well. I'm talking when they had a clear shot at the apex, not when they were stuck in traffic.
What was with that Blue (IIRC) Hyundai (or whatever the hell it was)? The in-car camera showed that guy having to do some major corrections with the wheel, before the car dissappeared entirely
Watching that video, I saw a bunch of times where they totally blew the apex. The dude in the IX stands out in my mind as doing it the most, but I remember the dude in the STI, and I think in one of the X's doing it as well. I'm talking when they had a clear shot at the apex, not when they were stuck in traffic.
What was with that Blue (IIRC) Hyundai (or whatever the hell it was)? The in-car camera showed that guy having to do some major corrections with the wheel, before the car dissappeared entirely
not to start a sparring match, i have only auto-x once, never on track, thats the extent of my experience.
to what you wrote, obviously something DID happen here since in another track test b/w IX and X, ... X won. Thats where all of the comments about IX is quicker in straight line and the X is better on track came from. I would tend to agree with that however, I will take all this kind of stuff lightly until some solid test are done.
Just think, adding 2 more cars to the equation, it gets real tight, if you are a tracking expert than you will know that split seconds count, all it would take for 9 to win would be another car blocking the X from a passing opportunity and bam.
It was actually a 5 lap battle.
to what you wrote, obviously something DID happen here since in another track test b/w IX and X, ... X won. Thats where all of the comments about IX is quicker in straight line and the X is better on track came from. I would tend to agree with that however, I will take all this kind of stuff lightly until some solid test are done.
Just think, adding 2 more cars to the equation, it gets real tight, if you are a tracking expert than you will know that split seconds count, all it would take for 9 to win would be another car blocking the X from a passing opportunity and bam.
It was actually a 5 lap battle.
yeah, I read what you wrote... how many times you been to the road course?
A missed shift is not going to cause a driver/car to loose over a 3 lap battle... & pro drivers dont really make too many mistakes, even if they have a cold. On top off that we are talking about 'stock' cars here.. those guys were probably falling asleep while driving those things comapred to the cars they usually race in.... & im pretty sure no one was on LSD, i get your point of being devils advocate but your embellishing the variables... they are not as important as you think.
If you are into performance, seeing a pro driver take a car out for hotlaps on a roadcourse is probably going to be your best bet (short of you driving it yourself) in evaluating its 'overall' performance.
To any experienced driver, it was clear in this video that the X's got straight up SPANKED by the 9....
n
A missed shift is not going to cause a driver/car to loose over a 3 lap battle... & pro drivers dont really make too many mistakes, even if they have a cold. On top off that we are talking about 'stock' cars here.. those guys were probably falling asleep while driving those things comapred to the cars they usually race in.... & im pretty sure no one was on LSD, i get your point of being devils advocate but your embellishing the variables... they are not as important as you think.
If you are into performance, seeing a pro driver take a car out for hotlaps on a roadcourse is probably going to be your best bet (short of you driving it yourself) in evaluating its 'overall' performance.
To any experienced driver, it was clear in this video that the X's got straight up SPANKED by the 9....
n
I think at the end of the day, Mitsubishi (Like Subaru apparently) went with a little more refinement with the X. I've read several times in mag's, the car was intended to be less hard-edged than the previous Evo's, perhaps trying to tap into the older crowd(I'm 40, and the X doesn't appeal to me). Maybe they think you 20-somethings that bought in with the '03-'05's, finally knocked up your girlfriend(s), and want to give you an option when your (now) wife makes you trade in your race car with lights for something more practical. I wouldn't agree with that way of thinking, and if told I need to pick a "Touring Car" within $35k-$40k, I'm rolling up to the BMW store. I picked the Evo specifically because of it's total performance package. If I had missed out on new leftover 9's, I would have bought a 335i, or searched and searched and searched for an ultra-low mileaged used Evo. Reading what I have, I wouldn't have waited for the X.
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Isn't that what Mazda did with the MS6? It was AWD with 272hp, but MUCH less hard-edged compared with the EVO. They ended up having to basically give the cars away. Hopefully Mitsu will have better luck selling the X.
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to what you wrote, obviously something DID happen here since in another track test b/w IX and X, ... X won. Thats where all of the comments about IX is quicker in straight line and the X is better on track came from. I would tend to agree with that however, I will take all this kind of stuff lightly until some solid test are done.
Just think, adding 2 more cars to the equation, it gets real tight, if you are a tracking expert than you will know that split seconds count, all it would take for 9 to win would be another car blocking the X from a passing opportunity and bam.
It was actually a 5 lap battle.
Just think, adding 2 more cars to the equation, it gets real tight, if you are a tracking expert than you will know that split seconds count, all it would take for 9 to win would be another car blocking the X from a passing opportunity and bam.
It was actually a 5 lap battle.
with the BMI battle videos you should only look at one thing. where they start and where they end. the evo X started at position 2 and 5. the evo IX started at position 7 (there were 2 empty spots after the X SST and G37). the IX ended up 1st and the X ended up 3rd and 4th. any way you look at it, the X lost and lost pretty bad.
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ur all forgetting the x's had full tanks of gas and the ix only had 1/4 of a tank...so that's why it was faster.....and the x had 33psi of air in the tires instead of 32psi like the ix.....and the x's drivers were sick...and the ix driver was hyped up cuz he had just downed an energy drink.....the x's drivers had hangovers...and don't forget the ix driver had better shoes on so his feet didn't slip around on the pedals......
Didn't mtsu test the X against the ix GSR and ix MR during R&D ? i think they knew it was slower and didn't give a f*ck so they just gave that bullsh@t journalist test drive and pit the JDM X against the USDM IX and hoped people didn't notice by saying "it's a world car" having everybody thinking that's the car america was getting
The idea that there is a big market segment for a 14 second Evo is just ridiculous. There are tons of cars with better brand names, nicer exterior and interior looks, and similar prices that are that fast. If the Evo won't perform, it won't sell. I would think that the Mitsu engineers know this and have tried desperately to make more power out of their new engine, but apparently so far without success. I hope they find a magic formula to make the car make big power very soon or else they will have to come up with a new halo car.
