Best Motoring X vs IX Battle
The idea that there is a big market segment for a 14 second Evo is just ridiculous. There are tons of cars with better brand names, nicer exterior and interior looks, and similar prices that are that fast. If the Evo won't perform, it won't sell. I would think that the Mitsu engineers know this and have tried desperately to make more power out of their new engine, but apparently so far without success. I hope they find a magic formula to make the car make big power very soon or else they will have to come up with a new halo car.
And I'd like to see that list of cars you mentioned with similar performance for under $35g's, 'cause I'm having a hard time coming up with more then one?
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if anyone attempts to judge or compare the X to any other car from this video,
YOU ARE NUTZZZ !!!!
Thats right, there were so many circuimstances, that would make this an exercise in futility,
In order to fairly compare anything to anything else, the circumstances or environment, have to be very controlled, here, they were anything but.
Don't get mad if you feel like i am talking like i was trying to explain something to a 5-year old. Example (simplified scientific method):
Hypothesis: EVO IX is faster than EVO X in straight line 1/4 mile results
Test: yes, do a 1/4 mile pull on drag strip
Results: interpret result accordingly,
Assumptions: same driver, same track, same day, both cars are healthy, all other small details to ensure fairness and to minimize margin of error
*this method can be applied to make any other statements already out there, except for subjective opinions such as "Evo 9 is better looking than Evo X" which should actually be " Personally, I think the 9 is hotter than 10"
Conclusion: ALL of the tests and posted 0-60 times, track times, etc, are flawed and need to be taken very lightly until such time that some very solid/controlled comparison tests are done. This track video is probably the most convoluted, unpractical, unfair, flawed way to judge any car against the other.
I am not X lover or as i have stated in othe posts in this section, i will believe it when i see it, feel it drive it, I am not writing off a car that has not even been officially released yet, anyone that does is just looking for something to ***** about, so go ahead and *****.
YOU ARE NUTZZZ !!!!
Thats right, there were so many circuimstances, that would make this an exercise in futility,
In order to fairly compare anything to anything else, the circumstances or environment, have to be very controlled, here, they were anything but.
Don't get mad if you feel like i am talking like i was trying to explain something to a 5-year old. Example (simplified scientific method):
Hypothesis: EVO IX is faster than EVO X in straight line 1/4 mile results
Test: yes, do a 1/4 mile pull on drag strip
Results: interpret result accordingly,
Assumptions: same driver, same track, same day, both cars are healthy, all other small details to ensure fairness and to minimize margin of error
*this method can be applied to make any other statements already out there, except for subjective opinions such as "Evo 9 is better looking than Evo X" which should actually be " Personally, I think the 9 is hotter than 10"
Conclusion: ALL of the tests and posted 0-60 times, track times, etc, are flawed and need to be taken very lightly until such time that some very solid/controlled comparison tests are done. This track video is probably the most convoluted, unpractical, unfair, flawed way to judge any car against the other.
I am not X lover or as i have stated in othe posts in this section, i will believe it when i see it, feel it drive it, I am not writing off a car that has not even been officially released yet, anyone that does is just looking for something to ***** about, so go ahead and *****.
Ok, now consider that they ran a 1/4 mile in this video and both Xs ran anything from a 13.65 -14.05. Then consider that they also ran a time attack with these cars with (I believe) the same driver and the IX was still over 1 sec faster per lap than the SST and over .6 secs faster than the MT, the outgoing STI was also faster than all but the IX. Not so flawed any more, and still the same fairly disappointing results.
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Well I wouldn't say the Evo X hardly performed? I'm mean we all saw the same video. The IX won but it wasn't like the X was left for dead. You guys act like the X was three corners back when the IX crossed the line. I believe that honor befell the G35.
And I'd like to see that list of cars you mentioned with similar performance for under $35g's, 'cause I'm having a hard time coming up with more then one?
And I'd like to see that list of cars you mentioned with similar performance for under $35g's, 'cause I'm having a hard time coming up with more then one?
Man, gotta love forums,
i want to make clear that i am not saying that "X is faster or better than IX" as a matter of fact, i have already accepted that the X is a slower car when it comes to accelaration. I just through my opinion out there, i simply said that this kind of venue is not the best way of concluding that one car is better than the other, its a fact thats it.
what you wrote would be a lot more of an accurate (controlled) way to compare say the IX against the X,
can you point me to a video showing time attack times of IX and X.
i want to make clear that i am not saying that "X is faster or better than IX" as a matter of fact, i have already accepted that the X is a slower car when it comes to accelaration. I just through my opinion out there, i simply said that this kind of venue is not the best way of concluding that one car is better than the other, its a fact thats it.
what you wrote would be a lot more of an accurate (controlled) way to compare say the IX against the X,
can you point me to a video showing time attack times of IX and X.
Ok, now consider that they ran a 1/4 mile in this video and both Xs ran anything from a 13.65 -14.05. Then consider that they also ran a time attack with these cars with (I believe) the same driver and the IX was still over 1 sec faster per lap than the SST and over .6 secs faster than the MT, the outgoing STI was also faster than all but the IX. Not so flawed any more, and still the same fairly disappointing results.
Last edited by pltek; Dec 5, 2007 at 05:59 AM.
When someone says nobody will buy the EVO at $35-40K because there is "so much competition" they are essentially saying they like to cruise, pose, street race or 1/4 mile the car. There is NO competition for the X handling performance at this price other than the previous gen STi's and EVOs or an e46 M3. The 135i needs a diff and coils minimum. 335i is too expensive and needs the same.
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Man, gotta love forums,
i want to make clear that i am not saying that "X is faster or better than IX" as a matter of fact, i have already accepted that the X is a slower car when it comes to accelaration. I just through my opinion out there, i simply said that this kind of venue is not the best way of concluding that one car is better than the other, its a fact thats it.
what you wrote would be a lot more of an accurate (controlled) way to compare say the IX against the X,
can you point me to a video showing time attack times of IX and X.
i want to make clear that i am not saying that "X is faster or better than IX" as a matter of fact, i have already accepted that the X is a slower car when it comes to accelaration. I just through my opinion out there, i simply said that this kind of venue is not the best way of concluding that one car is better than the other, its a fact thats it.
what you wrote would be a lot more of an accurate (controlled) way to compare say the IX against the X,
can you point me to a video showing time attack times of IX and X.
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Just confirms to me what I'd heard directly from the team manager of one of the Asia Pacific rally teams when I was trying to figure out whether to buy a IX GT or a X RS for my tarmac project.
He had one of his Japanese drivers ring up and ask him to say that they didn't have the budget to run X's next year so that they could keep the IX's....
He had one of his Japanese drivers ring up and ask him to say that they didn't have the budget to run X's next year so that they could keep the IX's....
Mitsubishi sould have named this Evo 7.5 luxury edition because that's where it seems to fit in terms of performance.
I am dissapointed to say the least, how do you explain going backward in rawness and right off the box performance in a model like the evo?
Remember the philosophy that made the car such a succes and an icon over the years; it was always deleting luxury BS then matting Mitsubishi's best engine(4g63t) with their lighest body (lancer) + spicing it up with AWD body rigidity and aero, and finally upping the performance on each model.
Mitsubishi has killed the evo like they did the eclipse, even if some of us are still in denial the car has lost the ***** that made it attractive (at least to me).
I am dissapointed to say the least, how do you explain going backward in rawness and right off the box performance in a model like the evo?
Remember the philosophy that made the car such a succes and an icon over the years; it was always deleting luxury BS then matting Mitsubishi's best engine(4g63t) with their lighest body (lancer) + spicing it up with AWD body rigidity and aero, and finally upping the performance on each model.
Mitsubishi has killed the evo like they did the eclipse, even if some of us are still in denial the car has lost the ***** that made it attractive (at least to me).