Evo X And Sti Doomed ?
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Base price for the A5 is 39,900. The full Sline is $2900. So with 775 destination, your @ 43,575.
You'll probobly want to get the premium pack (1850) to get xenons, heated seats, and cool LED lights.
19's are available for just $900 as a stand alone option if you don't want the whole pricey S line package.
You'll probobly want to get the premium pack (1850) to get xenons, heated seats, and cool LED lights.
19's are available for just $900 as a stand alone option if you don't want the whole pricey S line package.
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Not really. But Audi's are starting to get pricey, too, as their market share and prestige have gone up. Audi is making the best German car out there these days.
My 4.2 Quattro stickered for about 60k back in 2006. And that was with all the navigation & tech upgrades. You couldn't buy a comparably eqipped V8 BMW 5 series or MB E500 for 60k with all those options. You could amost buy a V8 Audi A6 for what the competion wanted for a loaded AWD V6.
well my wife used 2 new A6 six since 2003 untill 2006. Then we decided to leave the VW group. Those cars had a cancer from day 1. Both was v6 awd fully loaded. Then we thought the mercedes got to be better.... she got the CLK 350 convertible sport package. Better but the top stopped working 3 times already/in one summer/ now the sound system amplifer died.
I had to admit the service didn't cost us a penny, the mercedes even wash the car before you get it back. But where is the justification for the price?
I had to admit the service didn't cost us a penny, the mercedes even wash the car before you get it back. But where is the justification for the price?
I remember back in 2003 when people were whining about our watered down Evos without ACD, AYC, or a six speed option. There was rampant howling about how Americans were being ripped off and many people said they would pay extra to get the "real evo", with AYC and ACD and even auto climate control. As some of these features were doled out to us one by one, there was cheering from those who had the new cars, and whining from those who bought early. This will continue to happen as long as the are evo enthusiasts.
Now people will be able to buy a 'real deal' evo for a mere $5k more than the original 2003 model. There seems to be more than $5K of additional hardware, especially considering that the 03 didn't have a front LSD, ACD, aluminum roof, or MIVEC. The technologies going in the X are not ventilated seats, laser cruise control, adjustable height suspension, or sun sensing climate control- they are things that really haven't been done before at this price point with such a perfomance focused intent. Torque vectoring, twin clutch trannies that can handle more than the 236 lb-ft of torque that the VAG box can handle, and an integrated stability system that is designed for a high performance setting are very expensive to develop for the volume of LanEvos that get sold every year. The person driving an A5 or G37 coupe will never drive on Laguna Seca and will not benefit from this technology, but many Evo owners will. The only cars that have this level of technology are much more expensive- the GT-R and the 997 turbo. The 997 only has front-rear vectoring and its dual clutch gearbox is a couple years out. The GT-R will be another $25K on top of the MR. This is a good deal for the people who want it, and a terrible deal for people who would be happier be driving cars with more power accessories.
I love my IX, but Mitsu is doing a very smart thing with this car- it's offering the best they've got stateside for the very first time, and are offering a two pedal option for Americans who don't like to shift. Maybe us manual guys may shed a tear over the loss of the 6MT, but it makes damn good business sense in the USA (70% of Corvettes have an automatic, and the Mazdaspeed 6 failed in large part due to the lack of an auto option).
I think Mitsu has taken the raw IX concept as far as it can go while remaining commercially viable. For people who want that pure driving experience, they can always go for a used IX. With our 5/60K warranties, this bodes very well for IX owners and their resale values. But used car buyers do not make a new car market, so the X will capture new owners into the fold. The car may not look expensive to a layperson, but it's the look from the underside that counts. Compared to a 135i, an Evo X has 2.5X the brake pistons, 3X the LSD's (actually infinity times, as the 135 will never have a factory LSD), and is comparable in weight, power, and safety. All for the same money. If people are trading in 3 series BMW's for IX's today (and in NorCal, this is definitely the case), I think they'll do just fine with X sales, after all, they're looking to sell only a few thousand and get some fawning reviews.
Mitsu making the decision to take the US evo market seriously is due in large part to enthusiasts like us saying that we expect and will pay for the best that Japan has to offer. I hope and believe that many of us will do our part and buy these cars to keep the market a priority for MMC.
Now people will be able to buy a 'real deal' evo for a mere $5k more than the original 2003 model. There seems to be more than $5K of additional hardware, especially considering that the 03 didn't have a front LSD, ACD, aluminum roof, or MIVEC. The technologies going in the X are not ventilated seats, laser cruise control, adjustable height suspension, or sun sensing climate control- they are things that really haven't been done before at this price point with such a perfomance focused intent. Torque vectoring, twin clutch trannies that can handle more than the 236 lb-ft of torque that the VAG box can handle, and an integrated stability system that is designed for a high performance setting are very expensive to develop for the volume of LanEvos that get sold every year. The person driving an A5 or G37 coupe will never drive on Laguna Seca and will not benefit from this technology, but many Evo owners will. The only cars that have this level of technology are much more expensive- the GT-R and the 997 turbo. The 997 only has front-rear vectoring and its dual clutch gearbox is a couple years out. The GT-R will be another $25K on top of the MR. This is a good deal for the people who want it, and a terrible deal for people who would be happier be driving cars with more power accessories.
I love my IX, but Mitsu is doing a very smart thing with this car- it's offering the best they've got stateside for the very first time, and are offering a two pedal option for Americans who don't like to shift. Maybe us manual guys may shed a tear over the loss of the 6MT, but it makes damn good business sense in the USA (70% of Corvettes have an automatic, and the Mazdaspeed 6 failed in large part due to the lack of an auto option).
I think Mitsu has taken the raw IX concept as far as it can go while remaining commercially viable. For people who want that pure driving experience, they can always go for a used IX. With our 5/60K warranties, this bodes very well for IX owners and their resale values. But used car buyers do not make a new car market, so the X will capture new owners into the fold. The car may not look expensive to a layperson, but it's the look from the underside that counts. Compared to a 135i, an Evo X has 2.5X the brake pistons, 3X the LSD's (actually infinity times, as the 135 will never have a factory LSD), and is comparable in weight, power, and safety. All for the same money. If people are trading in 3 series BMW's for IX's today (and in NorCal, this is definitely the case), I think they'll do just fine with X sales, after all, they're looking to sell only a few thousand and get some fawning reviews.
Mitsu making the decision to take the US evo market seriously is due in large part to enthusiasts like us saying that we expect and will pay for the best that Japan has to offer. I hope and believe that many of us will do our part and buy these cars to keep the market a priority for MMC.
Last edited by osunick; Dec 18, 2007 at 10:46 PM.
I remember back in 2003 when people were whining about our watered down Evos without ACD, AYC, or a six speed option. There was rampant howling about how Americans were being ripped off and many people said they would pay extra to get the "real evo", with AYC and ACD and even auto climate control. As some of these features were doled out to us one by one, there was cheering from those who had the new cars, and whining from those who bought early. This will continue to happen as long as the are evo enthusiasts.
Now people will be able to buy a 'real deal' evo for a mere $5k more than the original 2003 model. There seems to be more than $5K of additional hardware, especially considering that the 03 didn't have a front LSD, ACD, aluminum roof, or MIVEC. The technologies going in the X are not ventilated seats, laser cruise control, adjustable height suspension, or sun sensing climate control- they are things that really haven't been done before at this price point with such a perfomance focused intent. Torque vectoring, twin clutch trannies that can handle more than the 236 lb-ft of torque that the VAG box can handle, and an integrated stability system that is designed for a high performance setting are very expensive to develop for the volume of LanEvos that get sold every year. The person driving an A5 or G37 coupe will never drive on Laguna Seca and will not benefit from this technology, but many Evo owners will. The only cars that have this level of technology are much more expensive- the GT-R and the 997 turbo. The 997 only has front-rear vectoring and its dual clutch gearbox is a couple years out. The GT-R will be another $25K on top of the MR. This is a good deal for the people who want it, and a terrible deal for people who would be happier be driving cars with more power accessories.
I love my IX, but Mitsu is doing a very smart thing with this car- it's offering the best they've got stateside for the very first time, and are offering a two pedal option for Americans who don't like to shift. Maybe us manual guys may shed a tear over the loss of the 6MT, but it makes damn good business sense in the USA (70% of Corvettes have an automatic, and the Mazdaspeed 6 failed in large part due to the lack of an auto option).
I think Mitsu has taken the raw IX concept as far as it can go while remaining commercially viable. For people who want that pure driving experience, they can always go for a used IX. With our 5/60K warranties, this bodes very well for IX owners and their resale values. But used car buyers do not make a new car market, so the X will capture new owners into the fold. The car may not look expensive to a layperson, but it's the look from the underside that counts. Compared to a 135i, an Evo X has 2.5X the brake pistons, 3X the LSD's (actually infinity times, as the 135 will never have a factory LSD), and is comparable in weight, power, and safety. All for the same money. If people are trading in 3 series BMW's for IX's today (and in NorCal, this is definitely the case), I think they'll do just fine with X sales, after all, they're looking to sell only a few thousand and get some fawning reviews.
Mitsu making the decision to take the US evo market seriously is due in large part to enthusiasts like us saying that we expect and will pay for the best that Japan has to offer. I hope and believe that many of us will do our part and buy these cars to keep the market a priority for MMC.
Now people will be able to buy a 'real deal' evo for a mere $5k more than the original 2003 model. There seems to be more than $5K of additional hardware, especially considering that the 03 didn't have a front LSD, ACD, aluminum roof, or MIVEC. The technologies going in the X are not ventilated seats, laser cruise control, adjustable height suspension, or sun sensing climate control- they are things that really haven't been done before at this price point with such a perfomance focused intent. Torque vectoring, twin clutch trannies that can handle more than the 236 lb-ft of torque that the VAG box can handle, and an integrated stability system that is designed for a high performance setting are very expensive to develop for the volume of LanEvos that get sold every year. The person driving an A5 or G37 coupe will never drive on Laguna Seca and will not benefit from this technology, but many Evo owners will. The only cars that have this level of technology are much more expensive- the GT-R and the 997 turbo. The 997 only has front-rear vectoring and its dual clutch gearbox is a couple years out. The GT-R will be another $25K on top of the MR. This is a good deal for the people who want it, and a terrible deal for people who would be happier be driving cars with more power accessories.
I love my IX, but Mitsu is doing a very smart thing with this car- it's offering the best they've got stateside for the very first time, and are offering a two pedal option for Americans who don't like to shift. Maybe us manual guys may shed a tear over the loss of the 6MT, but it makes damn good business sense in the USA (70% of Corvettes have an automatic, and the Mazdaspeed 6 failed in large part due to the lack of an auto option).
I think Mitsu has taken the raw IX concept as far as it can go while remaining commercially viable. For people who want that pure driving experience, they can always go for a used IX. With our 5/60K warranties, this bodes very well for IX owners and their resale values. But used car buyers do not make a new car market, so the X will capture new owners into the fold. The car may not look expensive to a layperson, but it's the look from the underside that counts. Compared to a 135i, an Evo X has 2.5X the brake pistons, 3X the LSD's (actually infinity times, as the 135 will never have a factory LSD), and is comparable in weight, power, and safety. All for the same money. If people are trading in 3 series BMW's for IX's today (and in NorCal, this is definitely the case), I think they'll do just fine with X sales, after all, they're looking to sell only a few thousand and get some fawning reviews.
Mitsu making the decision to take the US evo market seriously is due in large part to enthusiasts like us saying that we expect and will pay for the best that Japan has to offer. I hope and believe that many of us will do our part and buy these cars to keep the market a priority for MMC.
i totaly agree with it.
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i guess chevy went the wrong way with the vette too. back in the mid 90's, corvettes were like 29k brand new. Now just to get into one, its 40k+ A Z51 3LT vette is like 57k. Z06's are 77k when they used to be 55k
Cars go up, why do people on here argue that fact?
Cars go up, why do people on here argue that fact?
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Base price for the A5 is 39,900. The full Sline is $2900. So with 775 destination, your @ 43,575.
You'll probobly want to get the premium pack (1850) to get xenons, heated seats, and cool LED lights.
19's are available for just $900 as a stand alone option if you don't want the whole pricey S line package.
You'll probobly want to get the premium pack (1850) to get xenons, heated seats, and cool LED lights.
19's are available for just $900 as a stand alone option if you don't want the whole pricey S line package.
Last edited by 2speed; Dec 19, 2007 at 07:30 AM.