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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:46 PM
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ricer math lol
Hardly. Ask the last couple of Z's behind me and they will tell ya
Old Nov 23, 2008 | 09:47 PM
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boost vs no boost,boost wins.
Old Nov 23, 2008 | 10:00 PM
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Talking strictly power:weight.

370z is ~3225lbs:332hp
X is ~3550:291hp

The Z is about 300lbs lighter with 40hp more. The X will get it from 0-30 and that's about it. The X would need ~363hp crank to match the power:weight.

As far as a road course is concerned, Z's are no slouch; it's really up to the driver. Given equal size/width tires on a 370Z and X, the Z will win.
Old Nov 23, 2008 | 10:08 PM
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Official specs for 370Z

Wheelbase: 100.4 inches

Curb weight:
- MT - 370Z - 3232 lbs, 370Z Touring - 3278 lbs
- AT - 370Z - 3269 lbs, 370Z Touring - 3314 lbs

Horsepower: 332 max, torque: 270 lb-ft
Brakes: The sport package gets you: 14-inch 4-piston front, 13.8-inch rear, 2-piston.
Coefficient of drag (front): 0.29
Weight distribution % F/R: 54 / 46
Old Nov 23, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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if your keeping it stock the z looks like a good choice but if your going to
mod, evo hands down.
Old Nov 23, 2008 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by spdracerut
Talking strictly power:weight.

370z is ~3225lbs:332hp
X is ~3550:291hp

The Z is about 300lbs lighter with 40hp more. The X will get it from 0-30 and that's about it. The X would need ~363hp crank to match the power:weight.

As far as a road course is concerned, Z's are no slouch; it's really up to the driver. Given equal size/width tires on a 370Z and X, the Z will win.
exactly
Old Nov 23, 2008 | 10:57 PM
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the old 350z still also holds lightning lap record.. and that was heavier and slower
Old Nov 23, 2008 | 11:26 PM
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The exiting vq35vhr can run as low as 13.1 @108. Dont believe go to my350z.com and read a little. Also with the old vhr, its not too difficult with bolt ons to reach 300whp. Anyways, considering that the 370 has almost 30 more hp and over 150 pounds lighter, the X will have a lot of trouble even with mods.

As far as handling, Nissan has its eyes on the cayman S for competition, and with the optional forged wheels, the 370 has 275s in the rear.
Old Nov 23, 2008 | 11:48 PM
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Ricer logic:

#1 - My tuned car will be faster than your stock car


#2 - My car will go quicker with the same money spent than your car

-why not just buy a racing go kart and mod that instead? You'll get the best bang for the buck possible, probably untouchable to anything short of F1 cars on tracks


#3 - My evo may be slower in straight line, but it will be a different story in the twisties

- Evo is not an Ariel Atom, sure it is a great handling car, but a lot of other new performance cars are great handling too. Just comparing skidpad numbers is just like comparing 0-60mph times to talk acceleration. What matters most is the average speed at each given section of a course involving a turn. Evo does very well in most high speed turns, but not so well on low speed turns. Even in high speed turns, it does not have enough advantage to put 370Z and S2000 'in dust'.
Old Nov 24, 2008 | 12:05 AM
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The difference in cars like these is probably only going to be noticeable on a track. On the street, straight-line will be close enough that its going to be dependent on who launched properly or who started the ricer fly-by first. Or who had the sack to really push it in the hills
Old Nov 24, 2008 | 12:12 AM
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I still think the Z is an awesome car. Sold my 350 for the EVO. I did it for the extra two doors. However, the Acura TL sounds impressive, buts its too big looking.
Old Nov 24, 2008 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 4Trouble
Ricer logic:

#1 - My tuned car will be faster than your stock car


#2 - My car will go quicker with the same money spent than your car

-why not just buy a racing go kart and mod that instead? You'll get the best bang for the buck possible, probably untouchable to anything short of F1 cars on tracks


#3 - My evo may be slower in straight line, but it will be a different story in the twisties

- Evo is not an Ariel Atom, sure it is a great handling car, but a lot of other new performance cars are great handling too. Just comparing skidpad numbers is just like comparing 0-60mph times to talk acceleration. What matters most is the average speed at each given section of a course involving a turn. Evo does very well in most high speed turns, but not so well on low speed turns. Even in high speed turns, it does not have enough advantage to put 370Z and S2000 'in dust'.
+1 bajillion. S-awc is not some magic win button.

s2000's, rx8's, even the old 350z's are no joke if set up properly
Old Nov 24, 2008 | 04:22 AM
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its all weight weight weight...

damn... if wouldn't added on these extra 200 lbs...

while the competition is going lighter... we (evoX) decide to go on a all-you-can-eat binge...

I guess that evo is loosing its edge with this generation... i remember when someone used to say the word "evo" and everyone would say " ....damn" lol

IMO the solution to regain the edge on the EvoX will be to locate this extra fat and eliminate it without leaving the car looking like a aluminum can! once we find the way to eliminate this weight issue to like 3100ish - 3350ish then the evo will be back in its ball game!
Old Nov 24, 2008 | 05:54 AM
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The OP was originally asking what should he buy, the 370Z or the EVO X. The responses attempted to address which will outperform the other in OEM trim. And then the issue of aftermarket additions relative to each were raised as another factor determining better performance. In an attempt to end this thread let me bring this to your attention:
According to Edmunds.com-
350Z Enthusiast (no price for 370Z but will be higher than 350Z)=$37.9K
EVO X GSR = $32.9K

or >$5K more for 370Z than X. Now if one purchased and installed a simple aftermarket intake and exhaust bolt ons for ~$1K on the X . Then have a ECUTek tune for $700, you will achieve 322 whp (~380 crank hp) and 322wtq. In short, for <$2K you can have an X that will easily outperform a stock OEM 370Z and have >$3K left over to host a hell of a party! IMHO discussion over.

Finally, the new TL was raised as possibility here as well. I do not have the cost of this 305 crank hp car but please note this porker weighs >3900lbs!! You want a very smooth ride that handles the bumps really well, then the TL is for you but that car that just went by in a blur, that's the X!

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Old Nov 24, 2008 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by KPerez
350Z Enthusiast (no price for 370Z but will be higher than 350Z)=$37.9K
EVO X GSR = $32.9K
Actually.... the MSRP for the base 370Z is said to be $29990. Some package includes the bigger wheels and tires (245 front/275rear); so the car weighs less and has more rubber! The highly doubt the X will be able to obtain as high of cornering speeds seeing how it weighs more and has less tire.

The X GSR with the SSS package is right at $35k IIRC. Add in the aero package (quite functional, read the PDF in the thread about the X aerodynamics), and I think that's another 2k. So you're looking at $35k-$37k for the bulk of Xs probably.

I'll say that I expect more power gains per dollar for the X. But the flipside is, you won't be able to get rid of the extra weight while keeping the car 'streetable' IMO.



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