will the 370z out-perform the Evo X?
Talking strictly power:weight.
370z is ~3225lbs:332hp
X is ~3550:291hp
The Z is about 300lbs lighter with 40hp more. The X will get it from 0-30 and that's about it. The X would need ~363hp crank to match the power:weight.
As far as a road course is concerned, Z's are no slouch; it's really up to the driver. Given equal size/width tires on a 370Z and X, the Z will win.
370z is ~3225lbs:332hp
X is ~3550:291hp
The Z is about 300lbs lighter with 40hp more. The X will get it from 0-30 and that's about it. The X would need ~363hp crank to match the power:weight.
As far as a road course is concerned, Z's are no slouch; it's really up to the driver. Given equal size/width tires on a 370Z and X, the Z will win.
Official specs for 370Z
Wheelbase: 100.4 inches
Curb weight:
- MT - 370Z - 3232 lbs, 370Z Touring - 3278 lbs
- AT - 370Z - 3269 lbs, 370Z Touring - 3314 lbs
Horsepower: 332 max, torque: 270 lb-ft
Brakes: The sport package gets you: 14-inch 4-piston front, 13.8-inch rear, 2-piston.
Coefficient of drag (front): 0.29
Weight distribution % F/R: 54 / 46
Curb weight:
- MT - 370Z - 3232 lbs, 370Z Touring - 3278 lbs
- AT - 370Z - 3269 lbs, 370Z Touring - 3314 lbs
Horsepower: 332 max, torque: 270 lb-ft
Brakes: The sport package gets you: 14-inch 4-piston front, 13.8-inch rear, 2-piston.
Coefficient of drag (front): 0.29
Weight distribution % F/R: 54 / 46
Talking strictly power:weight.
370z is ~3225lbs:332hp
X is ~3550:291hp
The Z is about 300lbs lighter with 40hp more. The X will get it from 0-30 and that's about it. The X would need ~363hp crank to match the power:weight.
As far as a road course is concerned, Z's are no slouch; it's really up to the driver. Given equal size/width tires on a 370Z and X, the Z will win.
370z is ~3225lbs:332hp
X is ~3550:291hp
The Z is about 300lbs lighter with 40hp more. The X will get it from 0-30 and that's about it. The X would need ~363hp crank to match the power:weight.
As far as a road course is concerned, Z's are no slouch; it's really up to the driver. Given equal size/width tires on a 370Z and X, the Z will win.
The exiting vq35vhr can run as low as 13.1 @108. Dont believe go to my350z.com and read a little. Also with the old vhr, its not too difficult with bolt ons to reach 300whp. Anyways, considering that the 370 has almost 30 more hp and over 150 pounds lighter, the X will have a lot of trouble even with mods.
As far as handling, Nissan has its eyes on the cayman S for competition, and with the optional forged wheels, the 370 has 275s in the rear.
As far as handling, Nissan has its eyes on the cayman S for competition, and with the optional forged wheels, the 370 has 275s in the rear.
Ricer logic:
#1 - My tuned car will be faster than your stock car
#2 - My car will go quicker with the same money spent than your car
-why not just buy a racing go kart and mod that instead? You'll get the best bang for the buck possible, probably untouchable to anything short of F1 cars on tracks
#3 - My evo may be slower in straight line, but it will be a different story in the twisties
- Evo is not an Ariel Atom, sure it is a great handling car, but a lot of other new performance cars are great handling too. Just comparing skidpad numbers is just like comparing 0-60mph times to talk acceleration. What matters most is the average speed at each given section of a course involving a turn. Evo does very well in most high speed turns, but not so well on low speed turns. Even in high speed turns, it does not have enough advantage to put 370Z and S2000 'in dust'.
#1 - My tuned car will be faster than your stock car
#2 - My car will go quicker with the same money spent than your car
-why not just buy a racing go kart and mod that instead? You'll get the best bang for the buck possible, probably untouchable to anything short of F1 cars on tracks
#3 - My evo may be slower in straight line, but it will be a different story in the twisties
- Evo is not an Ariel Atom, sure it is a great handling car, but a lot of other new performance cars are great handling too. Just comparing skidpad numbers is just like comparing 0-60mph times to talk acceleration. What matters most is the average speed at each given section of a course involving a turn. Evo does very well in most high speed turns, but not so well on low speed turns. Even in high speed turns, it does not have enough advantage to put 370Z and S2000 'in dust'.
The difference in cars like these is probably only going to be noticeable on a track. On the street, straight-line will be close enough that its going to be dependent on who launched properly or who started the ricer fly-by first. Or who had the sack to really push it in the hills
Ricer logic:
#1 - My tuned car will be faster than your stock car
#2 - My car will go quicker with the same money spent than your car
-why not just buy a racing go kart and mod that instead? You'll get the best bang for the buck possible, probably untouchable to anything short of F1 cars on tracks
#3 - My evo may be slower in straight line, but it will be a different story in the twisties
- Evo is not an Ariel Atom, sure it is a great handling car, but a lot of other new performance cars are great handling too. Just comparing skidpad numbers is just like comparing 0-60mph times to talk acceleration. What matters most is the average speed at each given section of a course involving a turn. Evo does very well in most high speed turns, but not so well on low speed turns. Even in high speed turns, it does not have enough advantage to put 370Z and S2000 'in dust'.
#1 - My tuned car will be faster than your stock car
#2 - My car will go quicker with the same money spent than your car
-why not just buy a racing go kart and mod that instead? You'll get the best bang for the buck possible, probably untouchable to anything short of F1 cars on tracks
#3 - My evo may be slower in straight line, but it will be a different story in the twisties
- Evo is not an Ariel Atom, sure it is a great handling car, but a lot of other new performance cars are great handling too. Just comparing skidpad numbers is just like comparing 0-60mph times to talk acceleration. What matters most is the average speed at each given section of a course involving a turn. Evo does very well in most high speed turns, but not so well on low speed turns. Even in high speed turns, it does not have enough advantage to put 370Z and S2000 'in dust'.
s2000's, rx8's, even the old 350z's are no joke if set up properly
its all weight weight weight...
damn... if
wouldn't added on these extra 200 lbs...
while the competition is going lighter... we (evoX) decide to go on a all-you-can-eat binge...
I guess that evo is loosing its edge with this generation... i remember when someone used to say the word "evo" and everyone would say "
....damn" lol
IMO the solution to regain the edge on the EvoX will be to locate this extra fat and eliminate it without leaving the car looking like a aluminum can! once we find the way to eliminate this weight issue to like 3100ish - 3350ish then the evo will be back in its ball game!
wouldn't added on these extra 200 lbs...
while the competition is going lighter... we (evoX) decide to go on a all-you-can-eat binge...
I guess that evo is loosing its edge with this generation... i remember when someone used to say the word "evo" and everyone would say "
....damn" lolIMO the solution to regain the edge on the EvoX will be to locate this extra fat and eliminate it without leaving the car looking like a aluminum can! once we find the way to eliminate this weight issue to like 3100ish - 3350ish then the evo will be back in its ball game!
The OP was originally asking what should he buy, the 370Z or the EVO X. The responses attempted to address which will outperform the other in OEM trim. And then the issue of aftermarket additions relative to each were raised as another factor determining better performance. In an attempt to end this thread let me bring this to your attention:
According to Edmunds.com-
350Z Enthusiast (no price for 370Z but will be higher than 350Z)=$37.9K
EVO X GSR = $32.9K
or >$5K more for 370Z than X. Now if one purchased and installed a simple aftermarket intake and exhaust bolt ons for ~$1K on the X . Then have a ECUTek tune for $700, you will achieve 322 whp (~380 crank hp) and 322wtq. In short, for <$2K you can have an X that will easily outperform a stock OEM 370Z and have >$3K left over to host a hell of a party! IMHO discussion over.
Finally, the new TL was raised as possibility here as well. I do not have the cost of this 305 crank hp car but please note this porker weighs >3900lbs!! You want a very smooth ride that handles the bumps really well, then the TL is for you but that car that just went by in a blur, that's the X!
Later, Ken
AMS Intake and Exhaust
Iveytune (322 all around)
Robispec K&W
According to Edmunds.com-
350Z Enthusiast (no price for 370Z but will be higher than 350Z)=$37.9K
EVO X GSR = $32.9K
or >$5K more for 370Z than X. Now if one purchased and installed a simple aftermarket intake and exhaust bolt ons for ~$1K on the X . Then have a ECUTek tune for $700, you will achieve 322 whp (~380 crank hp) and 322wtq. In short, for <$2K you can have an X that will easily outperform a stock OEM 370Z and have >$3K left over to host a hell of a party! IMHO discussion over.
Finally, the new TL was raised as possibility here as well. I do not have the cost of this 305 crank hp car but please note this porker weighs >3900lbs!! You want a very smooth ride that handles the bumps really well, then the TL is for you but that car that just went by in a blur, that's the X!
Later, Ken
AMS Intake and Exhaust
Iveytune (322 all around)
Robispec K&W
The X GSR with the SSS package is right at $35k IIRC. Add in the aero package (quite functional, read the PDF in the thread about the X aerodynamics), and I think that's another 2k. So you're looking at $35k-$37k for the bulk of Xs probably.
I'll say that I expect more power gains per dollar for the X. But the flipside is, you won't be able to get rid of the extra weight while keeping the car 'streetable' IMO.







