will the 370z out-perform the Evo X?
so there are 2 z's which ran a 13.1X... you made it seem like they would run a 13.1 on their worst day... but i do admit they are faster than i thought... Dont get me wrong... I would love to see the 13.0 or even 12.9X on the new 370z... im prolly gonna trade my G in for one anyways... plan is to DD the 370 and mod the crap out of the evo lol
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Exactly. Like I said before awd, even sh-awd is not some automatic win button. Some of these guys are talking like the Z is going to handle like a boat, when the old one didn't handle that poorly.. Others are talking like one mistake and the car will bite your head off..
RWD is at least equal to a 4wd car on a road course, and you don't have to be a pro to drive it.. Anyone with a decent amount of experience will be able to ring out great numbers from it.
The Z's numbers look good, but like I said we'll have to see how the car runs when it comes out
RWD is at least equal to a 4wd car on a road course, and you don't have to be a pro to drive it.. Anyone with a decent amount of experience will be able to ring out great numbers from it.
The Z's numbers look good, but like I said we'll have to see how the car runs when it comes out
Later, Ken
No, it has been well documented that a vehicle with AWD will outperform i.e., lower lap times on a track course, a RWD despite the weight disadvantage. The advantage is the enhanced cornering ability of AWD in and out of corners. In addition, the X's S-AWD outperforms Nissan's system within the GTR and this is one of the reasons the GTR was slower than the X on the closed course in the Ultimate Street Car Challenge.
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
Yeah thats why the 911 turbo's awd system is scrapped to build the gt2s RWD layout. Go look at the official nurburgring lap times for stock cars. Almost everything is rwd, and the viper acr is #1. On another note, the GTR has basically stock suspension in the USCC, and to further my previous point, the RWD 350 beat the evo. Wheres your logic in that?
No, it has been well documented that a vehicle with AWD will outperform i.e., lower lap times on a track course, a RWD despite the weight disadvantage. The advantage is the enhanced cornering ability of AWD in and out of corners. In addition, the X's S-AWD outperforms Nissan's system within the GTR and this is one of the reasons the GTR was slower than the X on the closed course in the Ultimate Street Car Challenge.
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
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Here is a link to nissan's promo info about the 370; looks pretty impressive.
http://www.nissanusa.com/370z/?intcm....P2#/features/
I will say this though: the 4b11 I guarantee is a more robust engine with a stronger layout and stronger internals for making big power. However, on a fast road course like VIR, I bet the Z will actually win due to the power to weight ratio. On a tight, technical track, the X will most likely win because of the handling advantage that I can almost guarantee it will have. AWD cars, especially ones that are setup right to not understeer, can come into corners like a RWD and come out of them much faster.
On a tight course, this will always prove to be an advantage. As far as modding goes, it depends how much money you want to spend. With NA engines like the VQ37, basic bolt ons and a tune don't do dick. The real power comes from aggressive profiled cam upgrades, higher compression internals, and a stroker kit. The only other option is to do a turbo kit upgrade, but you can't run much boost and really make huge gains unless you put in low compression internals. Not only that, but if you look at the cost and prohibitive nature of turboing an NA car, it's more trouble than it's worth for most people.
Because there's no factory routing for IC pipes and turbo location, this usually makes the pipe length and routing impractical and expensive. Since modern day turbos are both oil and water cooled, this means that many kits have to upgrade the oil pan to a larger capacity unit. The factory headers are not flanged for a turbo, not would one fit where they are routed anyway, so the headers have to be tossed for new ones as well. The Zs imparticular have issues with airflow when power levels are raised because of the intake plenum design, so plenum spacers will surely be needed.
The cylinder head will have to have upgraded head studs to hold it down under the now much higher pessures from boost, and cnc head work is recommended to optimize the flow characteristics for the increased flow from the turbo. Since there is no IC or space for one, trimming of the factory bumber and/or bumper beam replacement will be necessary along with custom mounts to secure it. Then you have all the oil/coolant lines and fittings for the turbo, etc as well as the full fuel system upgrades and yada yada.
This all becomes EXTREMELY expensive and makes getting power out of an EVO not only easier, but much cheaper. If you're willing to spend the money on the Z, then sure, it can be a monster. But, as someone else pointed out, even with more power, less weight, and all of the above mentioned crazy expensive mods, it still lost to a stock blocked X with a small turbo upgrade and basic bolt ons. Plus, we got 4 doors and 5 seats. I just wish we had the interior of the 370... it really is beautiful. Anyway, buy what you want.
http://www.nissanusa.com/370z/?intcm....P2#/features/
I will say this though: the 4b11 I guarantee is a more robust engine with a stronger layout and stronger internals for making big power. However, on a fast road course like VIR, I bet the Z will actually win due to the power to weight ratio. On a tight, technical track, the X will most likely win because of the handling advantage that I can almost guarantee it will have. AWD cars, especially ones that are setup right to not understeer, can come into corners like a RWD and come out of them much faster.
On a tight course, this will always prove to be an advantage. As far as modding goes, it depends how much money you want to spend. With NA engines like the VQ37, basic bolt ons and a tune don't do dick. The real power comes from aggressive profiled cam upgrades, higher compression internals, and a stroker kit. The only other option is to do a turbo kit upgrade, but you can't run much boost and really make huge gains unless you put in low compression internals. Not only that, but if you look at the cost and prohibitive nature of turboing an NA car, it's more trouble than it's worth for most people.
Because there's no factory routing for IC pipes and turbo location, this usually makes the pipe length and routing impractical and expensive. Since modern day turbos are both oil and water cooled, this means that many kits have to upgrade the oil pan to a larger capacity unit. The factory headers are not flanged for a turbo, not would one fit where they are routed anyway, so the headers have to be tossed for new ones as well. The Zs imparticular have issues with airflow when power levels are raised because of the intake plenum design, so plenum spacers will surely be needed.
The cylinder head will have to have upgraded head studs to hold it down under the now much higher pessures from boost, and cnc head work is recommended to optimize the flow characteristics for the increased flow from the turbo. Since there is no IC or space for one, trimming of the factory bumber and/or bumper beam replacement will be necessary along with custom mounts to secure it. Then you have all the oil/coolant lines and fittings for the turbo, etc as well as the full fuel system upgrades and yada yada.
This all becomes EXTREMELY expensive and makes getting power out of an EVO not only easier, but much cheaper. If you're willing to spend the money on the Z, then sure, it can be a monster. But, as someone else pointed out, even with more power, less weight, and all of the above mentioned crazy expensive mods, it still lost to a stock blocked X with a small turbo upgrade and basic bolt ons. Plus, we got 4 doors and 5 seats. I just wish we had the interior of the 370... it really is beautiful. Anyway, buy what you want.
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Yeah thats why the 911 turbo's awd system is scrapped to build the gt2s RWD layout. Go look at the official nurburgring lap times for stock cars. Almost everything is rwd, and the viper acr is #1. On another note, the GTR has basically stock suspension in the USCC, and to further my previous point, the RWD 350 beat the evo. Wheres your logic in that?
Well, I thought Nissan built the ultimate street/track car when they built the new GTR. Nissan modified the VQ350 to 370 and engineered it for forced induction so that it could compete, no beat Porshe's 911 AWD turbo. By Nissan's own definition the 370Z is in a lesser/lower performance catagory, just look at the price tags. Nissan was confident that it could beat all newcomers especially the lowly trash below it like the X. Well guess what? Nissan's little dream became a nightmare as evidenced by the 08 Sport Compact Ultimate Street Car challenge; the X won. Yes, Yes I know the X was modified and the GTR was basically OEM. However, there was a 03 350Z twin turbo 500whp that also entered and it's engine was fully modified including rods, pistons,etc. The internals of the X, by contrast, were all OEM. Despite these differences the X was still the winner. I do not have the price for the 350Z and that for X upgrades but I feel quite confident that the conversion from NA to forced induction cost a hell of a lot more than the turbo upgrade and some boltons for the X.
Bottom line: The GTR and 370Z, for the money, will not outperform the X, although both are better to look at.
Bottom line: The GTR and 370Z, for the money, will not outperform the X, although both are better to look at.
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A 370Z is 32,930 MSRP with sport package.. This is basically the same as the previous track model. One hell of a deal IMO. It won't get much better than that.
Considering Road and Track just clocked a new G37 sedan with AUTO tranny at 5 sec flat to 60mph and through quarter trapping at 105mph....I think this Z will be fast.
I'm not a fan of mag racing but its pretty much all we can go by as of now to predict the same engine in a car that is nearly 500lbs lighter than the G37 sedan. I'm a fan of EVO's as well but this next Z is gonna be a monster.
Considering Road and Track just clocked a new G37 sedan with AUTO tranny at 5 sec flat to 60mph and through quarter trapping at 105mph....I think this Z will be fast.
I'm not a fan of mag racing but its pretty much all we can go by as of now to predict the same engine in a car that is nearly 500lbs lighter than the G37 sedan. I'm a fan of EVO's as well but this next Z is gonna be a monster.
So lets just say for equal power production, you're going to spend $8k more for the Z.
How much do you need to spend to drop off 300lbs from the X while being completely DD streetable? Full interior, stereo, all the seats, all the sound deadening. I'm not even sure it's possible to do it. You're talking lightweight seats, all new CF body panels, lighter weight brakes, wheels, any other component you can swap out for a lighter one. How much will that cost to do?
Going light cost money too
I was out in California about 2 weeks ago, and they had the unvailing of the first 370Z's on the US soil. So we went to go check it out because my bro has a 350. All i can say is that its a very nice car, i like it better than the 350, some good style changes and they finally took that gay bar off the back of the hatch.
Performance wise i guess well have to wait and see how it will do, but than again we are comparing a 2 door Z to a 4 door evo, but whatever.
I present you the 370Z
Performance wise i guess well have to wait and see how it will do, but than again we are comparing a 2 door Z to a 4 door evo, but whatever.
I present you the 370Z
