Will Evo X ever rally in the WRC?
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The Targa regulations are heavily bias against modern class vehicles so it is true that Newfoundland did not show the colours of the Evo X. The Evo X offically placed third in overall but the actually time was the quickest out of all the modern and classic class participants.
Technically speaking based on the Canadian Rally Champship and Rally American rulebooks against the the FIA Group N regulations, the Open Class in the two North American series posesses more freedom in modifying the car, while Group N faces tough constraints and strict complimances to act as a global homologation group. From a theoretical standpoint, the Open Class has more potentials to outclass the Group N.
Technically speaking based on the Canadian Rally Champship and Rally American rulebooks against the the FIA Group N regulations, the Open Class in the two North American series posesses more freedom in modifying the car, while Group N faces tough constraints and strict complimances to act as a global homologation group. From a theoretical standpoint, the Open Class has more potentials to outclass the Group N.
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Mitsubishi pulled out of WRC a few years ago due to funding issues. You can see alot of EvoXs in the PWRC (Production car class) including the Ralliart sponsored one.
This may be a little off topic but there are rumors that WRC for next year or the year after will ban turbo engines........... Wonder how many more teams will pull out.
This may be a little off topic but there are rumors that WRC for next year or the year after will ban turbo engines........... Wonder how many more teams will pull out.
That is why the IRC coming now
Perhaps the Evo X chassis is just too heavy to compete in the WRC? 
All kidding aside, I personally believe that Mitsu will make a return to WRC in a few years...if the world market doesn't totally collapse on itself.
All kidding aside, I personally believe that Mitsu will make a return to WRC in a few years...if the world market doesn't totally collapse on itself.
Last edited by sonicnofadz; Dec 7, 2008 at 07:46 PM.
1. people are forgetting the Mitsubishi as a whole is a HUGE company, making cars is one of many of their businesses, its not the money that they dont have, its a business decision, do we invest in our car division, financial division, steel making division, etc. do you think that Ford has tons of money to throw around? friggin suzuki is in it, come on
2. so cars are moving to hatch, curious, is there a specific reason behind it? Also, they are about to release a sportsback ralliart body which would qualify as hatch so all the foundation is there, the hatch body, stiff frame/suspension/evo engine and drivetrain, now some additional work to build/tune a really car which they are already doing with a pace car.
2. so cars are moving to hatch, curious, is there a specific reason behind it? Also, they are about to release a sportsback ralliart body which would qualify as hatch so all the foundation is there, the hatch body, stiff frame/suspension/evo engine and drivetrain, now some additional work to build/tune a really car which they are already doing with a pace car.
As for the hatch, Subaru went with the hatch because it was felt that the sedan body had inherient disadvantages with regards to rally. Weight distribution, stiffness, etc. Blah blah. Another part was probably that they were getting their *** kicked by Pegeout, Citroen, Ford, all hatches.
And Ford of Europe is doing just fine. It's Ford of the US that sucks. And since WRC is huge in Europe, I think it makes sense for them to be in it.
my suggestion is , keep focusing on the IRC.
The WRC is not that great anymore. They killed it with rules and regulations...
They did go so far from the roots and ideas from the rally, people start to turn a way from them.So the manufacturers. Lokk how many actually compete today vs 10 years ago...
remember this ?
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A...ing_142966.htm
Just remember how many different cars and different budget racing team runned together, including amateurs.
They where a great events for a weekend, and that is why became one of the most impressive auto sport.
Today is defenietly doesnt look like this. And that is why the rally looking for different option then WRC.And it will find a way , so i think WRC will change or die soon.
and certainly we have the future drivers , so no worries there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXg9O...&v=fXg9O0VyIUY
The WRC is not that great anymore. They killed it with rules and regulations...
They did go so far from the roots and ideas from the rally, people start to turn a way from them.So the manufacturers. Lokk how many actually compete today vs 10 years ago...
remember this ?
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A...ing_142966.htm
Just remember how many different cars and different budget racing team runned together, including amateurs.
They where a great events for a weekend, and that is why became one of the most impressive auto sport.
Today is defenietly doesnt look like this. And that is why the rally looking for different option then WRC.And it will find a way , so i think WRC will change or die soon.
and certainly we have the future drivers , so no worries there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXg9O...&v=fXg9O0VyIUY
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I am sure this will all sort out and Mitsu will be Rally Racing in some international venue and winning as they have in the past. There is an important note to make in all this and that is the experience Mitsu and other car companys gain when they enter Rally Racing. Those companies that do not participate just do not have the experience and expertice to transfer race proven technologies to the general public. As a perfect illustration of this fact, let's look at Nissan and their "ulitmate street car, the GTR". Nissan deceided to offer launch control in their GTR, in my view, to compete with Mitsu's in their MR. What happened, you ask? There have been so many lawsuits from disgruntled owners because of tranny failures that Nissan is now eliminating lauch control for all GTR in 09 (see article entitled, The lauch party is over for the GTR, Ny Times, Sunday Edition, 12/7/08). What about Mitsu? Have they had the same failures? Answer: No and as far as I know launch control will still be offered in MR X for 09.
Mitsu knows that their roots and future products are dependent upon the racing experience and associated by-products. NIssan needs to learn from this experience (and so does JoJo if he is still around).
Later, Ken
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Mitsu knows that their roots and future products are dependent upon the racing experience and associated by-products. NIssan needs to learn from this experience (and so does JoJo if he is still around).
Later, Ken
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As far as the near future goes, Mitsubishi's chances of returning to WRC are not high. From a financial point of view, Mitsubishi Motors Corporation has limited budgets. The company is relatively not on level terms comparing to Honda or Toyota with big spare budgets for racing. The main holding company of the MMC, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, as big as it is, operates separately unless of a main financial crisis as many other major corporation practices are like. There is no help from there. Rally is considered only a part of marketing operation and the division can be entirely let go of while holding the commercial marketing as primarily selling point. The Prodrive operation for Subaru rallying is of a 50 million budget annually. That is a very large number for single global marketing initiative. From a in-depth look at marketing, Mitsubishi is the HOUSEHOLD name is rallying. There is no longer the need to compete in the highest and the most expensive level of all in achieving this stature. Mitsubishi has already achieved this mighty giant level. The company strategically switches to support and assist minor league competitions like the Group N rallying over the world. The manoeuvre maintains a financial sounding operation while continuing tp benefit from the household name rallying image globally. Companies like the Citroën needs a strong racing image as a marketing "niche" in order to sell their relatively less-known cars. That is the reason why Citroën is in WRC and Mitsubishi is not. 
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As far as the near future goes, Mitsubishi's chances of returning to WRC are not high. From a financial point of view, Mitsubishi Motors Corporation has limited budgets. The company is relatively not on level terms comparing to Honda or Toyota with big spare budgets for racing. The main holding company of the MMC, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, as big as it is, operates separately unless of a main financial crisis as many other major corporation practices are like. There is no help from there. Rally is considered only a part of marketing operation and the division can be entirely let go of while holding the commercial marketing as primarily selling point. The Prodrive operation for Subaru rallying is of a 50 million budget annually. That is a very large number for single global marketing initiative. From a in-depth look at marketing, Mitsubishi is the HOUSEHOLD name is rallying. There is no longer the need to compete in the highest and the most expensive level of all in achieving this stature. Mitsubishi has already achieved this mighty giant level. The company strategically switches to support and assist minor league competitions like the Group N rallying over the world. The manoeuvre maintains a financial sounding operation while continuing tp benefit from the household name rallying image globally. Companies like the Citroën needs a strong racing image as a marketing "niche" in order to sell their relatively less-known cars. That is the reason why Citroën is in WRC and Mitsubishi is not.
Later, Ken
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Many of the rallying technologies found in WRC and even more so in Formula racing are developed outside of the actual company or race team, aka outsourced. This is even more truthful with manufacturing parts used in the racing vehicles as economical scale dictates the available engineering solutions or options.
