I do find the Evo and the WRX sti to be very good looking cars. But thats just MY opinion
I get the message and thank you for the info. Now I'm going go take a look at what WRX fans think of It in a WRX forum Ill come back to you if I need ans more info on the Evo!

 

Wow.

I mean the lack of respect for the wrx is astonishing. First he said his dad would not be modifying the car, so ringland issues don't apply here, at all.

Second, the 2015 sti is not a copy of the evo. I agree it looks somewhat similar, but nothing about it is a copy. Different engine, different transmission, different awd system...

The boxer engine does mount lower which is better for handling and CG purposes. Even with hardware like the intercooler on top, this doesn't offset the weight of an engine.

I do thoroughly believe that the AWD system in the evo is vastly superior to that in the STI, but the STI is no slouch. And the 2015 has shown to be a good handling machine.

If he wants the car to daily drive, wants some practicality with the performance, then the STI makes a great choice in car. Not to mention he'd be getting a new design that isn't a car that's been in production for over 6 years...

 

100% agree. Being a subaru fan myself, it was a little odd to see them redesign the WRX platform but not incorporate the new engine into the 15 STI.

Year 1 models of cars are always tough to jump on, especially when it takes them a model year or so to work out the bugs...

 

I know I'm in a an Evo forum so I was expecting the WRX sti to be bashed but it still is interesting
It's not an easy decision to make because they both seem to be superior in different aspects:

+ for the EVO
- The Evo has been in production for a long time so it has better chances of being more reliable
- The Evo seems to have a better AWD system
- There is the option to have a good automatic gearbox

+ for the WRX sti
- It has a REAL TRUNK of 460l which is pretty good!
- It has better acceleration because it is ligher and slightly more powerful

We'll just test both and see what he prefers

 

Actually if you troll STI forums you can see them complaining about ringland issues on STOCK BOXER MOTORS...Ringland issues is not just for modded STI'S


An like i said myself i won't buy a STI till they get rid of the boxer motor....Give me the 4b11t motor an the STI tranny that is all.

 

But well earned.

In '03, the 2.5L STi and the 2.0L EVO VIII were close to each other.
But, in showroom trim, the EVO still had the edge (IMO) -- which is why I bought the VIII after looking at them both (as well as some others on my short list).

But around the time the EVO IX came out, Subie softened up the STi into a hatchback with pretty lame performance and handling, compared to the EVO.

With the 2015, they're trying to jump back to being a performance car.
Maybe they'll pull it off. But I wouldn't bet my money on the first model managing to pull off the performance or reliability, given the lack of practice on that side.

The hardware had some potential. Prospeed took WRX parts and built the P2.
But Subie got nowhere near that capability out of the same hardware.

Engine, transmission, AWD system -- all worse than the EVO's.

But my point was that you fit a boxer engine to a lower profile car. That's the point to laying the cylinders on their sides -- to make it fit where an inline wouldn't.
Laying the cylinders sideways carries some issues (such as rings -- a common problem on boxer mills), but it's worth it for an engine to fit in a low slung coupe.

So fitting that engine in a tall four door sedan is just an inappropriate mix.
It's like putting a bash box in a Rolls Royce.

"New" is not always "improved". "Bleeding edge" hardware doesn't have the bugs worked out.

In a few years, after they ditch the old engine for something newer, and work some of the bugs out, it might evolve (nudge, nudge) into a good car.
But right now, it's not much beyond an untested prototype.
"... and makes us rather bear those ills we have, than fly to others we know not of." -- Hamlet.
("General consensus and running code.")

There's something to be said for evolution over revolution.

Today, the Ferrari 328 is reselling for as much or more than the newer 348.
The 328 was evolved from years of improvements on the 308.
The 348 was an "all new" design. And not a particularly successful experiment.

And remember the birthing issues the X had in '08?

A 2017 STi might be a good machine --- and it won't have to compete against a 2017 EVO X.
But today, the EVO is still the better option.


But if cargo and comfort trumps performance, the Volvo V60R might be an alternative.
I don't know if the R is available in Europe. The V60 T6 AWD should be, although a little down on power to the R.
And you can get it with a 6 speed automatic.

For that matter, if you really want a lot of cargo space, you could look at the V60 wagon.


The point being: don't just look at one car at a time.
Put together a list of the available machines, then trim it down to a "short list" of cars that meet your main requirements.
And if test driving the three or four cars left doesn't decide it for you, then you can choose by which dealer gives you the best deal.

 

For "optimal" "comfortable" cars with lots of trunk space and options, I already have a big list! (Kia Optima, Mazda 6, Honda Accord maybe even the Opel Insigna...) but I am not looking only for ONE thing. The Evo X and the WRX STI are the ONLY sedans that can offer both amazing performance AND everyday praticality at a reasonnable price!

 

Prices will vary with market, but the S60R is no slouch and, in the US, is price competitive.
It's not track competitive, but then the EVO would smoke an STi on the track, too.

Any of them would leave a Chevy or Camry in their dust.

But, yes, if you insist on rice and AWD, then the EVO or STi or modded WRX are your options, short of GTR pricing.
(Before buying the EVO I did consider buying a WRX and buying upgrades with the price difference. I didn't really need 300 BHP for New England snow. )
Without AWD you have more options.

But my "short list" also included a Bimmer, a "Jag" (actually a Euro-Ford rebranded for the US market), and the Volvo.
(The Volvo and Jag wouldn't fit in my garage, at the time: I was length limited when I was putting three cars in an oversized one car garage. The EVO VIII *just* fit.)

I didn't shop around as much for the X, because the only reason I was replacing the VIII after only 10 years was that I wanted an X before they stopped making them.
(Although I did compare the 911C4, Cayman, and GTR.)

 

Evo X is a great daily Driver!

 

Hey,

I too love the X and evo's in general. I've had my X since march of '08 and am therefore one of the people who has owned a X the longest on these forums.

I am somewhat aware of the problems the X had in '08. I say "somewhat" because they really weren't that many or that bad of problems. Dealership took care of reflashing ecu updates, and really I don't think the '08s are any less reliable or worse performing then any of the later model years.

So I don't see an issue in buying a first model year vehicle if you don't mind maybe having to make a couple extra dealer visits. On a car that will be kept stock this shouldn't matter at all...

I could go on for hours about exactly how a computer controlled active center differential helps shift power where it's needed most, and how "tarmac" "gravel" and "snow" are misleading names for the settings and that's not what they really should be called. I know the technicalities of the AWD system and why I think it is a better platform for a race car.

I also don't think that newer also always equals better.

But I do 100% believe that different people have different needs and different priorities. Driven on the street in stock trim you would be hard pressed to find much of a performance difference between the cars. Sure the handling and the feel, the noise, everything will be different. But you aren't pushing all the way to the limits, and both cars have limits that are well beyond your acura RL or most any other car on the road. (I mention the acura cause they copied the awd system from the evo, sort of...).

And along that note, you state it like it's just fact that the '08 sti was a slouch and the evo x was soo much superior, but yet the sti beat the evo on the top gear test track...

That's easy to argue as being due to the driver. But think about that though, we're saying that a professional level driver can't even get much of a difference in lap times out of the 2. They are soo damn close in performance. So the STI deserves some respect for doing all that and still being somewhat practical.

My recommendation to the OP would be to have his dad drive both of them, take them each on a good test drives, and see which one he likes better.

(and then buy the evo cause we all know it's better. common, it has the battery and windshield wiper fluid in the trunk for weight distribution... how cool is that!)

Oh and don't think the evo doesn't have it's share of problems. Both these cars are performance machines and cost more in maintenance and such. Maybe the STI will have ringland issues, but maybe the evo's ayc pump will fail on him...

 

Lil Evo x mr is GTR killa etc.!!

 

Ok we tested it yesterday... We both had never been in a car that is even remotely comparable to this so... wow... This thing is a box of VIOLENCE! I LOVED IT!
Of course it was a test car so I wasn't driving too crazy but I could feel the power and how stable it was round the corners. I also looooove the seats... They really make you feel like you're "one" with the car.
My father drove it and found it amazing too, but he comes from a 407 which is a VERY confortable family car with very soft suspensions... Of course the recaros are very good for what they are, but not comfortable... and the ride is way harsher than his 407 but that was expected hehe
This car IS pratical (cup holders, GPS, good audio system, good space in the rear seats, the trunk is not as bad as I thought...) but is not confortable (again for such high performance... that was to be expected ).
This car would fit me perfectly but I need to finish my studies first and gain some money
As for him... He started by saying that this car was amazing but didn't fit him because of the lack of comfort.... Which I expected... But then, hours later, remembering how cool it was he was starting to think seriously about trading comfort for a huge smile in the face and consider the evo! The decision is up to him... but we all know what I think

 

Tell your dad to go test drive a z06. For about 15 mins. Ask him to drive it normally and get in and out of it a few times like he would if he was making store stops. He will go back to that mitsubishi dealership and forget how "uncomfortable" he THOUGHT an evo was.