Dodge and Mitsubishi to Share Neon Platform | [MERGED]
Originally Posted by alleggerita
Just curious if the Evo X will already be on the new chassis co-developed with Dodge/Chrysler, or will it be a further development of the CT9A chassis for yet another evolution? Also will
start with a brandnew motor of will it be a further developed 4G63, possibly with more displacement? The pictures of the test mule that is assumed to be a X underneath make me wonder whether we are going to get yet another rendition of the old chassis for the X.
Also at some point there was talk about the JDM and USDM Evolution taking different paths down the road - will this start with the X or after?
start with a brandnew motor of will it be a further developed 4G63, possibly with more displacement? The pictures of the test mule that is assumed to be a X underneath make me wonder whether we are going to get yet another rendition of the old chassis for the X. Also at some point there was talk about the JDM and USDM Evolution taking different paths down the road - will this start with the X or after?
Its so funny to hear everyone knocking dodge when Mitsu is one of the worst car companies currently in business. Any evo owners on here void a warranty lately? Any clutches go in an attempt to pull 1/4 mile times that mitsu claims?? The evo clutch is the butt of more jokes than the rear windows in the srt-4. The evo is a great car dont get me wrong but it has some problems, fan boys being one of them. Many of you evo guys need to do a little more reading on cars other than the evo. You are so loyal to a brand that has no loyalty to its owners what so ever.
Dcx has been doing very well since the rerelease of the hemi and all of the srt cars. The same mags that praise the evo so much have given the same praise to the 300c, the magnum and the all of the srt cars. Mitsu has the evo and uhhh well they also have uhhh.. hmm I guess if they also have the new eclipse but it cost as much as an evo and pales in comparison! Dodge has a much better line of cars than mitsu does.
The new caliber and lancer will share the same engine built by hyundai and the awd system built by mitsu. The next evo will have the 2.0l world engine in it not the 4g63, the new srt-4 will have the 2.4l world engine, a mitsu turbo and it will have the same awd system as the evo. The evo will still be made by mitsu in japan, the new srt is just dodges version of the evo. Dont make it out to be so doom and gloom i bet the car will kick ***. Dcx has been on the ball when it comes to making high performance cars. They have 11 or so cars with over 350 hp all of which have recieved very high marks. Mitsu has 1 car that gets raved about and the rest of the cars are junk.
Many evo owners on this very site have been screwed by mitsu and the evos value has started to decline due to the bad press about evo warranties (which originated from this site). Yet many of you can still bad mouth a company who is doing much better and overall making better cars.
Dcx has been doing very well since the rerelease of the hemi and all of the srt cars. The same mags that praise the evo so much have given the same praise to the 300c, the magnum and the all of the srt cars. Mitsu has the evo and uhhh well they also have uhhh.. hmm I guess if they also have the new eclipse but it cost as much as an evo and pales in comparison! Dodge has a much better line of cars than mitsu does.
The new caliber and lancer will share the same engine built by hyundai and the awd system built by mitsu. The next evo will have the 2.0l world engine in it not the 4g63, the new srt-4 will have the 2.4l world engine, a mitsu turbo and it will have the same awd system as the evo. The evo will still be made by mitsu in japan, the new srt is just dodges version of the evo. Dont make it out to be so doom and gloom i bet the car will kick ***. Dcx has been on the ball when it comes to making high performance cars. They have 11 or so cars with over 350 hp all of which have recieved very high marks. Mitsu has 1 car that gets raved about and the rest of the cars are junk.
Many evo owners on this very site have been screwed by mitsu and the evos value has started to decline due to the bad press about evo warranties (which originated from this site). Yet many of you can still bad mouth a company who is doing much better and overall making better cars.
Mitsubishi does make strong cars.
Yes, the SRT-4 is a pretty nice car. But FWD is lame. If they really do go AWD with it then it'll be something to compete with.
Dodge's Magnum is a fugly piece of work. As well as their new "charger" that they only built to replace the Intrepid's body in Nascar, which, if you like you should be visiting a dodge forum. Nascar that is. In my opinion there's nothing cool about traveling 200mph in a big circle. And as for the SRT-10. Well yeah, let's put the biggest engine we have into the most tail happy truck we have and see what comes out.
The only reason Mitsu has been voiding warranties is because people have been stupid about what they've done to their cars. Mitsu has to protect it's own *** by making these strict rules. As would ANYONE who offers a 10yr/100k warranty. It's simple math.
The Hemi isn't what it used to be so it shouldnt' even be called a hemi.
And these Diamler Chrysler high performance cars you speak of. Where? Yes they have the Viper. But that's just a little out of reach and a bit impracticle for your everyday joe. Same goes with the SRT-10. The SRT-8 is nice, but is also fairly ugly. It's Dodge's attempt to look bling with the copied look of a Bentley.
Same goes for Chevy. The cobalt? What a piece. The only thing that Chevy's made that has any ***** is the Vette.
Pontiac? GTO, if you can call it that, is the only thing that it really has going for it. And even then they took away the Holden Monaro's bumper's and hood and replaced it with your grandma's GrandAm.
Ford has the SVT series. But only two of them are actually obtainable. The new Cobra, and the new Lightning. Forget about the GT if you make less than 6 figures a year.
Don't accuse people of not knowing what else is going on in the world without checking. I follow just about every car maker out there. But to prove your point. Yes, the Evo's about the only car that Mitsu has over here that's worth a ****. But it's ONE car that has gone circles around most of the other cars you named off.
I still highly doubt that Mitsu would let Dodge outperform them. Even with the new Caliber that they're putting out. People will still call it the Neon.
Yes, the SRT-4 is a pretty nice car. But FWD is lame. If they really do go AWD with it then it'll be something to compete with.
Dodge's Magnum is a fugly piece of work. As well as their new "charger" that they only built to replace the Intrepid's body in Nascar, which, if you like you should be visiting a dodge forum. Nascar that is. In my opinion there's nothing cool about traveling 200mph in a big circle. And as for the SRT-10. Well yeah, let's put the biggest engine we have into the most tail happy truck we have and see what comes out.
The only reason Mitsu has been voiding warranties is because people have been stupid about what they've done to their cars. Mitsu has to protect it's own *** by making these strict rules. As would ANYONE who offers a 10yr/100k warranty. It's simple math.
The Hemi isn't what it used to be so it shouldnt' even be called a hemi.
And these Diamler Chrysler high performance cars you speak of. Where? Yes they have the Viper. But that's just a little out of reach and a bit impracticle for your everyday joe. Same goes with the SRT-10. The SRT-8 is nice, but is also fairly ugly. It's Dodge's attempt to look bling with the copied look of a Bentley.
Same goes for Chevy. The cobalt? What a piece. The only thing that Chevy's made that has any ***** is the Vette.
Pontiac? GTO, if you can call it that, is the only thing that it really has going for it. And even then they took away the Holden Monaro's bumper's and hood and replaced it with your grandma's GrandAm.
Ford has the SVT series. But only two of them are actually obtainable. The new Cobra, and the new Lightning. Forget about the GT if you make less than 6 figures a year.
Don't accuse people of not knowing what else is going on in the world without checking. I follow just about every car maker out there. But to prove your point. Yes, the Evo's about the only car that Mitsu has over here that's worth a ****. But it's ONE car that has gone circles around most of the other cars you named off.
I still highly doubt that Mitsu would let Dodge outperform them. Even with the new Caliber that they're putting out. People will still call it the Neon.
Originally Posted by F&I-EVO
This is all BULL!!!!
We all wish it was. It's just like the old DSM days but the caliber looks so hurt. Variable intake and variable exhaust timing might help out to an advantage
Also here is good info on the caliber or whatever it will be called.
AllPar
Chris
Last edited by TalonRcR; Aug 22, 2005 at 03:10 PM.
Originally Posted by Mastacheif
The new caliber and lancer will share the same engine built by hyundai and the awd system built by mitsu. The next evo will have the 2.0l world engine in it not the 4g63, the new srt-4 will have the 2.4l world engine, a mitsu turbo and it will have the same awd system as the evo.
Originally Posted by alleggerita
Moving to the new engine will be bad news for anyone interested in seriously modifying their car. For one, it's an aluminum block which will not take boost pressures as the old block. Then there is all the accumulated tuning knowledge and parts of the 4g63 community that will be suddenly rather obsolete.
Just will cause some evolution of tuning
Chris
Originally Posted by TalonRcR
Just will cause some evolution of tuning
Chris
Chris
because the Hemi isn't the same as the old one it shouldn't be called a Hemi? do you even know what "Hemi" means?
It denotes an engine with a hemispherical combustion chamber, period. there were many, many more hemi's other than the famed 426.
JJ
It denotes an engine with a hemispherical combustion chamber, period. there were many, many more hemi's other than the famed 426.
JJ
Multiple Displacement Engines are nothing new. GM first tried them in the 80's, and they were hailed as something great, but the technology wasn't there yet to support it.
now, the technology's there, and gas prices are high. i think it's great, you don't need all 8 to cruise and you still have all 8 when you really want to go.... it's the perfect blend.
JJ
now, the technology's there, and gas prices are high. i think it's great, you don't need all 8 to cruise and you still have all 8 when you really want to go.... it's the perfect blend.
JJ
I thought you were getting at the fact that the new Hemis are not really Hemis in the traditional sense. I remember reading that somewhere, but can't remember the specifics. That their (the new ones') heads aren't hemispherical combustion chambers, but something different or only similar. 
And yeah, Displacement on Demand is great now, unlike Cadillac's (GM's) 8-6-4 engine that was a nightmare back in '81.

And yeah, Displacement on Demand is great now, unlike Cadillac's (GM's) 8-6-4 engine that was a nightmare back in '81.
Last edited by GPTourer; Aug 24, 2005 at 05:21 PM.
oh yeah, they're more like an old Max Wedge engine, but they do have a semihemispherical CC.
EDIT: i'm guessing it's because DC did some combustion mapping, and planned the head, and that's how it turned out.
J
EDIT: i'm guessing it's because DC did some combustion mapping, and planned the head, and that's how it turned out.
J
Moving to the new engine will be bad news for anyone interested in seriously modifying their car. For one, it's an aluminum block which will not take boost pressures as the old block. Then there is all the accumulated tuning knowledge and parts of the 4g63 community that will be suddenly rather obsolete.



