Never said S-AYC was crap. I am hesitant of systems that interfere with braking and steering at any moment through a turn - without the driver's say so.

Let's face it. A car like the Evo needs computers to be the great performer that it is. However, too much intervention will be the demise of this car.

Agree to disagree. Ultimately, time will tell.

 

By your logic, ACD also takes away control from the driver and you have an RS that has an ACD. It's a computer controlled center differential. Did you know that before you bought the car? If you did, that would make you a total hypocrite.

 

lolol

 

So, if you want a car without an ECU or any other sort of 'modern' paraphernalia then go and buy a car from any year up to about 1980. I think that's about the only way you are going to get a car which doesn't have any sort of external input into the driving of the car.

And, from what I have read regarding S-AYC it does not 'interfere' with breaking and steering (unlike some other DSC type systems) - the whole point of S-AYC is to make you go through corners more quickly which surely can't be a bad thing?

 

It's common knowledge that the Evo owes most of its greatness to its computer that controls its three diffs. The Evo is, after all, a compromise between computer and driver. However, the computer doesn't have the upperhand. The driver is still very much involved.

The Evo tackles a turn with as much ferocity as a Porsche or Ferrari. It couldn't do this without its computer. Thank God for computers that I can own and drive a car that can be compared to cars that I only dream to own. It's a virtual sense that I'm driving something much more expensive. Virtual equals cheaper and affordable. Would I rather be driving my select Porsche, a 997 GT2, or my select Ferrari, the 430 Scuderia, over the Evo? Yeah, if I had to choose. Would I still own an Evo if I were rich? Yes, I believe so. When the weather gets bad, the Evo can do more than any RWD supercar. The Evo is a rally car.

I saw the two leaked videos of the X. I wish I could understand Japanese because from what I could gather visually, I didn't see anything that made this car a vast improvement in the handling department. More focus was placed on the new gearbox.

Now, if that gearbox is the biggest story of the X, then that won't bode so well for the merit of S-AWC. This is all speculation, mind you. Only when the X is widely tested and compared to the IX, will we know how great all the new techy stuff is. I will hold my final judgment 'til then. I am skeptical. That's all.

Again, there comes a time when computers have too much say in the experience of driving. Computers can enhance or diminish the experience. I hope that S-AWC only enhances.

I love to drive. I love the purity of it.

 

Okay, I get your viewpoint now.

 

Well if it helps ease your mind (and I'm gathering that you didn't see it) there was a video posted a good while back that had a regular IX going against a IX which was really a test mule for the X's chassis & S-AWC. As both cars was dueling each other in the snow going around cones, the mule appeared to have superior control in comparison to that of the regular IX.

Granted we'll still need to see how the real deal performs as Road & Track or Motor Trend folks drags an actual car to a test track & regular test drives (not to mention the anticipated duel tests between the X & STi with my 30 bucks on the X of course), but hopefully the tests on the mules should provide enough comfort that at least the S-AWC won't make the overall driving experience degrade to the boredom levels of a Camry.

 

I did see that video of the Evo X test mule (yellow VIII body with IX Enkeis). I saw two versions of the vid' and a number of articles. I tried finding one of those articles in particular that spoke of the writer's preference for the IX or the older system. Granted, this was a prototype from the winter of 2006. His excuse was Mitsu. still needed to work out the "bugs." Again, I tried but couldn't find this particular article.

I won't deny, though, that the test mule's line was tighter through the cones. Was it more fun to drive than the older system? Not to that one writer, apparently.

I can't wait to see the IX and X comparo.

 

There is a god.

 

i agree. the spoiler IS more looks than function for a road car.

i never called the RS rice. i called your mentality of threshold braking being better than ABS rice to the fullest extent. getting sideways? i hope this isn't on the street. seriously. some dude in a RS drifitng with no ABS? you telling me that isn't dangerous? unless this crap is on a track or empty parking lot or something you're friggin stupid.

you know what's rice? "fun" at the expense of safety. that's what you're touting with the no ABS mentality. all cars should have ABS cuz it can save your life and the life of other people. the world doesn't need kids killing people cuz they're "having fun"....


yes, racing on the street is fun and does the world a big favor...

 

that article was from SCC. it mainly had to do with the active steering that they were prototyping. as far as i can tell the X doesn't have active steering. the S-AWC on the other hand is better than the previous ACD AYC. it integrates the previous ACD and AYC with active braking and skid control.

 

Oh let me add if you want to go sideways why would do it in an evo anyways, there are plenty of better DRIFT platforms

 

So from one side of your mouth an EVO RS without ABS and it's computer intervention is the way to go. Out the other side of your mouth you just couldn't live without computer controlled diffs. Better yet, you state it's what makes the EVO great. So which is it: complete driver control or heavily aided computer control??

For me, I actually prefer my non-ACD '03. When I punch into a corner on the track at xxx mph and turn in, I prefer knowing my car will always react the same way and not the way a computer thinks it should. But that's just me.

I'll try the X when it comes out, but the more computer intervention, the less fun a car is for me to drive.

 

^ lol

 

^ I guess Premium only comes in TB and Creamy White? If it was WW, then it would have been a tough decision, but now I'd go with TB

The Silver one looks nice as well.