its all supply and demand... mitsu needs to do some r&d for an econimic car.... make a landmark somewhere... will boost the publics eye... then wont have to worry about all of this...

 

Ha ha not likely. I told you, the Cobalt SS engineers used an Evo as their benchmark. Its most likely other manufacturers did too in creating their max effort sport compacts. The Evo forced everybody to raise their game. If it didn't exist, the other cars in that comparo either wouldn't exist or wouldn't be as good. The MS3 is the best Mazda has, the Cobalt SS is the best Chevy has, the R32 is the best VW has, and so on and so on - in sport compacts mind you, please don't be silly enough to start talking about Vettes and RX's. Mitsu already has the best, the Evo, and they have the unfortnate duty to let the bean counters and the Engineers dumb down the RA so it can fit in the middle above a GTS and below an Evo without stepping on eithers toes in pricing and performance.

When talking about an SUV or a plain vanilla family sedan? Yes.

If they do, it reads just as dumb. The poeple buying Galants (Camrys and Accords) and Outlanders (RAV-4, CRV) don't give a damn about an Evo or what it can do and might not even know what it is. I don't see the NSX or S2000 get mentioned when talking about an Accord. I don't see the IS-F or or, well Toyota doesn't make sporty cars anymore, brought up when talking about the Corolla.

Oh, so you agree the X is great now? I thought it was slow and fat. Mkay. Well Mitsu makes three great cars: Evo, Lancer, Outlander. They make one good car: Eclipse. Two average ones Galant, Endeavor. And the Raider is a Dodge and isn't worth mentioning.

 

I wished they kept the montero


http://www.newpajero.com/swf/index.jsp?language=default

 

So i know this is an EVO forum and I am about to be pelted with stones, but midlife I am not sure where you have been, but I would take a DSM over an Evo any day.

Back on topic for those who don't know MMNA is on a stop production right now until the end of March. When they start back up the Galant will be gone for the next two years while the phase the Lancer/EVO out in the US to be replaced by the Galant, and Galant Fortis (AWD Turbo). Sorry EVO lovers but in this economy when you have to cut product the senior vehicle is always gonna win. People by stuff they remember. Besides the Galant being around longer they also feel that there is a bad stigma on the Lancer due to the street racing thing and it is scaring families from buying a family sedan.

 

On another note I find a lotta of these comments very funny since many magazine's have nothing but rave reviews for the 4G. Even quoted as single handly saving MMNA. Oh and that is a fact based on sales numbers not my or the writers opinion

 

Holy hell, what's wrong with you? Have you ever had a DSM side by side with an EVO? The Lancer platform is so much better in quality than the Eclipse that not only is it funny, but hysterically so. And I wouldn't go out of my way to own an EVO.. not a fanboy at all, trust me.

I know the Normal, IL plant is going into shut-down mode (and they make the Galant/Endeavor/Eclipse), but where did you hear that they're going to phase out the Lancer? The Lancer outsells the Galant/Endeavor combined, is a brand new platform (while the Galant/Endeavor are both 5+ years old now) shared with the Outlander, which is also a good seller (at least compared to the Endeavor).

I mean.. they're expanding the Lancer line with the new hatchback version.. I don't think it's going anywhere.

Also... Galant Fortis IS the Lancer. They still sell the old Lancer in Japan and sell the new one as a "Galant" there (since they don't sell the American Galant at home). They still call the EVO X a Lancer though.


Galant Fortis http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/g...tis/index.html
Lancer http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/lancer/index.html
Lancer Evolution X http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/evo/index.html

 

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

1. I own both. EVO>DSM. Period.

2. Lancer is not going anywhere.

Its the Galant that is in jeopardy of being discontinued. Most likely the next Galant if there is to be an American version will be built on the Lancer/Outlander GS platform. They are considering building Lancers and Outlanders in Normal because of the greater demand for those vehicles and the fact the plant is losing money with just one shift building Elcipses, Galants and Endeavors. There is talk of bringing the Colt over too. There's also talk of shutting the plant down entirely and going with imported cars only, but with the dollar to yen ratio that probably doesn't make sense at the moment.

 

Yeah me too. There was talk of bringing it back in like 2011/12 as an all new model for worldwide release. I doubt thats still in the cards though.

 

i never said i like the X, i said mitsubishi has the "Evo", which is a name. IMO, the X didnt make the giant leap from the IX that it was supposed to. it became slower (significantly slower in a straight line, and barely .02seconds faster at a 4mile racetrack), a lot heavier, and more expensive. And none of the issues of the IX - interior vibrations & noises, and transmission grind were addressed!

dude we can argue here till our fingers are blue. u r a loyal fan of the brand in general, and thats fine by me. some are honda people for life, some are mercedes peopel for life. i am only a fan of great cars, as individuals, not brand names in general. for example - I hate Mercedes in general, yet I own a C36 because its a solid build and the last of the dependable German cars (mine has 200k miles, and still all original internal parts!!!), great performance, and ultra rare (only 286 came to North America in 1997).
and, also, i dont like mitsubishi and the cars they usually make. although they do make some great vehicles from time to time, and i grabbed one of them, the Evo IX.

IMO, Mitsubishi makes poor cars, or at the least cars that are way inferior to most rivals, and that opinion of mine, just happens to be supported by what independent testers and Reviewers say over and over, AND, also by the amount of vehicles the Company actually sells annually - which is a fraction of what most other rival companies sell.

move on

 

Mitsu needs to step up their interiors...

I'm sorry, all "Evo" interiors are atrocious. My sisters 07' eclipse destroys my 06 evo...

 

The amount of vehicles a company sells has nothing to do with quality. Ferrari, lamborghini, lotus, aston martin, etc all sell a very low amount of cars. The quality is very good (usually). The amount of cars a company sells has a lot to do with price, marketing, appeal, loyalty, and presence. Honda and Toyota turned out a lot of vehicles for cheap in the 90s. This set a huge presence which built their brand name in common households. A lot of those cars were total crap, but they made it long enough to earn respect for imports. During that time Mitsubishi hardly had any presence... along with other companies. Imports that have recently built their name are Volkswagen and Hyundai. And they have done so by going after untapped markets. Both went after low priced luxury.

Mitsubishi picked a bad time to start building their reputation here. I've owned 3 lancers (OZ Rally, Ralliart, Evo) and have loved them all to death. I liked those cars so much I decided my next vehicle will be a mitsubishi. Regardless of what reviews say, I know how to determine a good car on my own.

On top of that most cars that are produced today are generally good. Unless there are a few lemons in the bunch. Technology has helped make these cars more dependable and last longer.

Back to ignoring reviews... I think now days the cars are so equal that reviewers have to completely nit-pick to separate the bunch. To the normal "joe", they wouldn't notice these things.

I've raced motocross for 20+ years. Back in the two-stroke days there usually was a lot of difference between the top manufacturers. Now days they are so close it's all preference in how a rider feels on the bike. The reviews between the bikes are so crazy in how they determine a winner. Bike A. is taller than Bike B. and doesn't appeal to riders that are 5'6" as much as bike B. Just stupid comparisons.

Point being, that most cars are good now days. It depends on what the driver is looking for, for appeal. In the long run presence determines more sales than reviews do. The average person doesn't pick up car & driver and determine what they are going to buy next 100% from a review.

 

So you don't like the X. Its obvious. You have done nothing talk down about it and the RA. But that's just your opinion. You haven't shown any proof that your opinion of the X is widely held by the automotive press.

Me being a loyal fan has nothing to do with this. You trying to pass off your opinion and bad interpretation of magazine articles as worldwide consensus is whats wrong.

But they don't say it over and over. Once you have enough time to research this, instead of making these pointless replies you'll see that.

Ha ha. Because the most popular choice is ALWAYS the best. Whatever.

I was here first champ.

 

I agree about the interior. The lancer (especially evo) looks pieced together. I've spent a good amount of time bringing my interior up to par. Dynomat, carbon fiber, matching color schemes, etc... I feel I one of the nicest interiors in an evo now. I hated it when I first got it and now everything matches.

 

Ok so here is the proof http://club4g.org/board/other-cars/7...-p-lancer.html

And whoever said there closing MMNA it is only a 3 month stop production it is not being closed just preparing it for more and better production of the Eclipse/Galant Fortis/Endeavor/Sebring/etc etc

 

Who says this is a replacement besides edumnds?

That sucks.