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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 09:19 AM
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I have not made it that far. I have to wait for OBDII emissions plug test, then Im swapping. KC is disabled from the base rom, you can enable it, and I was looking for a good write up on setting it up. So far the VTS Help file has covered a lot of stuff for me. I highly recommend looking at the VTS software, and using the help index.

Looks to be an abundance of I/O auxiliary with the v88 PNP. Ive disabled a lot of things, such as AC fan, front o2 heater, so on so forth stuff I don't have like a stock evo.

I love the options this has so far! Im just getting a base rom setup ready to start with. Im having trouble with latency values to start from and then, how to tell if they would be "right". I don't know if there is fuel trims or what. Stuff Im sure I will be acquainted with shortly!

I did configure the pin 5 to run the SAS valve. Thing is Im not sure if it will behave like we understand it should. Im a ways away from tuning that, but I would like to see if it can be functional here or not.

Any tips to setting up the AEM wideband with the vipec? I planned to run it in the front o2 pin. I heard the scaling for the AEM was incorrect and you had to enter your own manually.

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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 10:12 AM
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Get a AUX harness and run your wideband into that. Plus it gives you a couple more inputs.

The knock control works very well when setup right. I have a older v44 plugin, in my evo. So I dont have knock control. I do have knock control in my Mini though and when setup correctly works very well.

The vipec does have "fuel trims" You have to enable CL fuel control. When I first setup a car, I keep it disabled, get my injectors setup in the fuel master table, then I tune the car for a 13.1 idle and a 14.8-15.5 cruise then I enable CL fuel control using the wideband, give it a 8% adjustment window and keep it off till 1500rpm so that it doesnt affect my idle afr.

Once I do that the vipec never has to trim more then 2-4% to keep me in the 14.7 range for cruise.

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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by foxbat
Hey Ratsbud,
It looks similar to the stock evo table.
How is the data logging software? Can you log knock through the knock sensor like in evoscan?

You can log right to the vipec or you can log to your computer if its attached.

It will log anything. It logs knock in knock noise. You have to setup your knock map according to how loud your motor is then it will figure the "knock count" and "global knock count" from the knock noise map, and how much noise your motor is making.
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by llabmik2
Get a AUX harness and run your wideband into that. Plus it gives you a couple more inputs.

The knock control works very well when setup right. I have a older v44 plugin, in my evo. So I dont have knock control. I do have knock control in my Mini though and when setup correctly works very well.

The vipec does have "fuel trims" You have to enable CL fuel control. When I first setup a car, I keep it disabled, get my injectors setup in the fuel master table, then I tune the car for a 13.1 idle and a 14.8-15.5 cruise then I enable CL fuel control using the wideband, give it a 8% adjustment window and keep it off till 1500rpm so that it doesnt affect my idle afr.

Once I do that the vipec never has to trim more then 2-4% to keep me in the 14.7 range for cruise.

Thank you,

I already have it pinned to the front o2. There's a ton of spare I/O still. I'm not using a lot of the presets.

Planned to quick tune low loads everywhere I can, and then use cll wbo2 auto. Wot tuning is a long ways away though if think.

Nice to hear another's method.

Eventually I'd like to try wot fuel corrections when I determine my wideband is solid enough. I actually have 2 in car .

Richer idle though would be great!

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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 211ratsbud
Thank you,

I already have it pinned to the front o2. There's a ton of spare I/O still. I'm not using a lot of the presets.

Planned to quick tune low loads everywhere I can, and then use cll wbo2 auto. Wot tuning is a long ways away though if think.

Nice to hear another's method.

Eventually I'd like to try wot fuel corrections when I determine my wideband is solid enough. I actually have 2 in car .

Richer idle though would be great!
I use the mixture map. Its much easier and faster for me.

Just right mouse click and set the properties up right. You have to make sure that the axis match in your fuel table and your AFR target.

Then you just start a log, and drive or let it idle. When you are done, stop the log and load it in the mixture map. Right mouse click in the cells that are wrong and it will let you set it to where it needs to be.

I would use CLL control on wideband stoich mode. That way it will target stoich all the time instead of what you have setup in your AFR target, as the AFR target doesn't have a lot of resolution.

My car runs 14.6-14.7 constant while in cruise. If you want to target a leaner mixture for MPG then you will want to use CLL in auto wideband mode, with your AFR target set at 15.8-16.3 in those load cells.
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by llabmik2
You can log right to the vipec or you can log to your computer if its attached.

It will log anything. It logs knock in knock noise. You have to setup your knock map according to how loud your motor is then it will figure the "knock count" and "global knock count" from the knock noise map, and how much noise your motor is making.
Would the base file contain a knock map meant for a stock engine noise level? (similar to the stock rom).
In regard to injector calibration, other than latencies, can you enter a scaling value (CC)?
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by foxbat
Would the base file contain a knock map meant for a stock engine noise level? (similar to the stock rom).
In regard to injector calibration, other than latencies, can you enter a scaling value (CC)?
Nope, you have to setup your windows and all that yourself. Then you have to find what your knock noise level is in your motor. So basically after you set your windows you have to figure out how loud your motor is at that load and RPM and enter that information into your knock table. So that when the Vipec sees noise louder then what it needs to be it will flag it as knock. That is the basics of it.

No scaling factor how you would think of it. Nothing like ECUflash. It works off MS and the dead times of the injectors.
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 04:12 PM
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Foxbat, I suggest to download the VTS, Ive been looking thru it for months and have familiarized some of the key strokes so that the curve to tuning it, is for tuning and not the software to user integration. Im sure theres more left for me to learn but toying cant hurt.

The help file is pretty well sorted too.
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 04:39 PM
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Good work guys, i've started to use this ECU a bit with a few customer cars.
I love its interface.

Very eary to use and very robust!

Just make sure you have the latest firmware on it as i've been caught out a few times with early firmware and later versions of VTS causing dramas.
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Benja
Good work guys, i've started to use this ECU a bit with a few customer cars.
I love its interface.

Very eary to use and very robust!

Just make sure you have the latest firmware on it as i've been caught out a few times with early firmware and later versions of VTS causing dramas.
Good point. They have made the firmware much easier to update over the years lol.
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Old Dec 18, 2013 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by llabmik2
Where are you going to set your idle RPM? If its going to be at 1000rpm I would get rid of 0-750 that way you can free up those cells for a little more resolution where you need it, like in the peak tq areas.
There is plenty of cells free, so it is not going to be a problem.
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Old Dec 18, 2013 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 211ratsbud
Not sure on idle just yet but I will heed that . Hopefully at 1000 even. How does the vipec handle situations where you go out of bounds? Just applies a clamp?

Do those timing figures seem conservative though?

Does map or mgp offer more consistent operation in changing environment ?
Use MGP for fueling as it then uses barometric compensation.
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 08:09 PM
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Installing and tuning tormorrow ( starting tuning ) learning curve etc tbd

Has anyone set up timed boost control stages in the vipec before?

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Old Dec 22, 2013 | 09:24 AM
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Nothing like an inch of clear ice on everything to cancel plans!
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Old Dec 22, 2013 | 09:26 AM
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Nothing like an inch of clear ice on everything to cancel plans!
You have AWD lol
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