Originally Posted by Boeturbolancer

Those are some good numbers next... glad you finally pushed for the dyno. The car has to feel 3million times better now then when you were at 130whp. I about dropped a load when i saw that number.

Which header do you have? Ripp's kit requires one right? If your still using your second cat dump that sucker for a good 5-10hp gain. Sucks about your tranny. The torque numbers are lower than i'd hoped but the SC and the auto account for that. Why don't you try 550's for you fuel if the 410's couldn't hang? They should give you plenty or were the 410's plenty enough for 10psi.

Your also running the methanol injection right? Did you ever notice what your egt's were? The higher rpms would definately gain you power since the sc would give you more and more boost with the rising rpms. The rod stroke is iffy for higher rpms under boost. I'd keep it under 7k if you find a way to raise it. Maybe ROSS can make a box that locks the rpm signal in at 6k until you reach the desired level you want. Shouldn't be to hard to make a rpm signal clamp.

Can't wait to see the full sheet scanned. That 130whp was to funny as i remember zoo racing a friend of RRM's(an eclipse) with that setup. Think that is when he blew it. You should give him a ride in the car now that your putting some real power down. What a huge difference you achieved. Good luck. Keep us posted as to changes in the kit due to your dyno visit.

Originally Posted by Boeturbolancer

Man i totally missed the answers to most of my ??'s in your post... i'm spacing it.

Good hp numbers197 is great for an auto... in comparison to RRM's kit about a 30whp difference isn't to bad. The torque is just not there though. 177 for RIPP compared to about 215+ for RRMs is a little bit to big of a difference. At almost 40ftlbs the RRM kit should out pull the SC. Hopefully you can get to the track and put up some impressive numbers. The torque drop could be due to that tranny issue you described so a track session would show a lot better detail. Good numbers though and nice car by the way. Looks well kept in the picture.

Originally Posted by Boeturbolancer

The curve is very linear and represents the SC well. It is very predictible and was right were i expected it to be.

Originally Posted by Boeturbolancer

I don't want to start a fight here but i'm wondering about some things.

1) the mph on the bottom of your graph seems you did the pull in 2nd not drive as the drive gear tops out way higher than 65mph.
2) the torque is very very low. The intercooled turbo stage 1 automatic pulled about the same hp and more torque... i'd hope this is due to the tranny issues you were experiencing.
3) RIPP said the kit was ready for sale but you only were putting down 130whp... this is way off what was quoted from zoo's original setup. I know it's been asked but there were others that purchased the auto kit right? Will they get their stuff upgraded for free or how will that work out.
4) All these changes to the kit that are happening, especially now that you've dyno'd, are actually something i'd think would be needed by other kit owners. Will changes like the tensioner you mentioned and injectors be upgraded for past customers for free or will they be charged?

A lot of this is kindof taking me down a bad path i know but those first numbers were discouraging and your end numbers took some effort. In the end i'm glad ROSS was there to get things were they should be even though they weren't as good as i'd hoped. I think you have a great car and i know it's plenty fast. The kit price is right there as well(very competitive). You don't have to answer these ??'s there just concerns. Maybe RIPP can tell you what to say in regards to them. In no way am i downing your car or the kit as in the end it proved itself very viable. I just have a few concerns since some things don't seem right to me.

Originally Posted by Boeturbolancer

that'll be awesome. Agian you've got a great car there. It's a huge accomplishement. I'm just a little curious about some things. I don't mean to come off attacking or harsh. Let me know if i am and i'll back down.

Maybe you can try getting a test pipe/better exhuast on there to see if that opens you torque up a little. Did you put the cooler on your tranny or did it come with the RIPP kit. Was it need for your kit? I found that it was needed for the auto tranny as the fluid really got to hot with all that power.

Originally Posted by Boeturbolancer

Actually a lot of auto intercooled stage 1 guys put down about the same power. Guru being one of them acheived 185whp and 193wtq on his auto intercooled stage 1. In the very beginning The turbo auto non-intercooled guys were pulling about 175whp and 182wtq. NTRANN was one of the first to achieve that. As for price... GURU got his numbers on a stock motor/stock header/stock downpipe/stock cat... all he had was the catback exhaust(greddy i believe) The price diff is about 500 bucks with that in mind since the RIPP kit still requires the header. That money thrown onto supporting mods won't make up that much hp/tq for the SC.

I think there is some tuning that needs to be done. Since there aren't any other auto RIPP guys around maybe RIPP should pull the setup until they get it completed. Right now it isn't done in my opinion. I think with a good tranny and some more tuning we could see better numbers and a better product. Just my .02, what you think next??

Originally Posted by Boeturbolancer

?? What's up with those mph numbers on the bottom. No way is a drive gear pull in the auto going to stop at 63 mph @ 6k rpm. Is that number bogus or undefined?? Comparing an rpm pull from 6k down looks like they started the pull around 3k? Is that right?

I'm overlaying the dyno's now so we can see a good difference between the kits but i need a few of those answers so i can be more accurate with the overlay. I won't post it here as this is your glory and its well deserved.

Originally Posted by Boeturbolancer

First Gear is 2.842:1
Second is 1.495:1
Third is 1:1
Fourth is .731:1

That being said the hp/tq rating should have been closer to... 132whp/117wtq???

That being said it really doesn't sound so good or right... someone correct me if i'm wrong but that is what i get after plugging in the correction for gearing. The slipping tranny could easily account for 20hp/tq but that still doesn't get the numbers up enough.

Am i doing something wrong on my corrections guys?? What do you all get??

Originally Posted by Boeturbolancer

Wow... big time nerve must have been touched.

All i know is i originally dyno'd my NA 5 Speed lancer in 3rd and pulled a whopping 163whp at 172wtq on a dynojet at the DYNOSHOP in Santee California. In fact i backed it up 3 times and then they asked if 3rd was my 1:1 gear. When i said i think 4th was... i didn't know the lancer's gearing at the time, they did another pull resulting in 119whp at 124wtq. The pulls looked identical in every way as far as curves. They we totally in a different level though.

Then i even posted about it back in the day... Seems i better have that dynojet checked out right?

I'm not posting false statements at all... in fact i couldn't believe it when i saw it. I do know that calculating tq/hp based of rpm ramp of a certain weight roller over a period of time can only provide an accurate result if the constants of 1:1 ratio gearing is set. Once you change gearing you change the ramp time and offset the true value of the ratio. This has been proven on may dyno's time and time again.

I will say that in no way can the calculated hp/tq numbers be taken as fact but they usually are not far off. Just like hp derivetives from 1/4 mile trap speed's and times. It's just a fact that the math doesn't lie.

This definately proves the need for track times for sure. Don't get me wrong this kit is producing power and it's a great/viable alternative for forced induction.

It just doesn't add up though. You put up numbers for a 2nd gear pull... then state you had bogus torque numbers in the third gear run do to slippage. That seriously misleads the dyno since after all HP is a derivative of TORQUE. If you change the torque at any given time you will drastically change the HP reading.

Remember an SC tends to put out peak torque near peak boost or close to readline... this is due to the fact that the SC is motor driven making it fight a constant draw on the motor to regain and surpass its NA output. With that being said shifting the torque curve into the later of the RPM band gives a much higher HP peak during the mid/upper rpm band. This is backed by the driveability and controllability of the SC. The boost builds gradually and steadily providing consistant results and control. A nice feature of SC's. The fact you did this in 2nd gear though throws the curve off which will effect the results of the dyno.

Not to worry though... customers will dyno and prove this all wrong probably. I trully hope so as that would be a travisty. I certainly can't believe the SC would do that but i can't say your dyno was very valid due to the gear and the slipping tranny. It just throws the constants out of whack leading to false representations in the torque/hp curves.

Originally Posted by ROCK

So stage 2 RIPP SC yielded in 1 to 1 gear only, how much h.p. and torque? Please just facts.

ROAD/RACE

Originally Posted by nextgenerationx

lets check out the other cars Ripp has fabricated a sds kit for. check em out www.rippmods.com look at the power these car acheived. they arne't playing around, they're serious. they chose a lancer for a reason. they see big power with our lil motor. stage 2 rrm turbo kit $$5400 for a lancer that gets u to 230whp and stage 3 sds kit for eclipse for $5600 gets u 400+whp. wow

Originally Posted by acs_guitars

Lets see.... Bashing other memebers , first off is not very nice, and second of all will get you banned from EVO M.... I am not saying you are wrong, but there is little other substance to this post than just bashing other members.

Ripp I am sure has great products, I myself endorse no company and plan to keep it that way. There is no way that Ripp can get you reliable 400+ WHP with out beefed up internals on a Lancer (which then it is still doubtful) and that would cost alot more on top of the $5600 Eclipse kit price. Not saying it can't be done (with enough $$ anything is possible), The stock internals will fail under the strain of more than 240-250 HP (guest-a-mate)... Eclipse and Lancer motors are two completely different monsters to tackle... I suggest not comparing the two in this manor (like comparing Banannas and Grapes ). Anyway, my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by acs_guitars

Lets see.... Bashing other memebers , first off is not very nice, and second of all will get you banned from EVO M.... I am not saying you are wrong, but there is little other substance to this post than just bashing other members.

Ripp I am sure has great products, I myself endorse no company and plan to keep it that way. There is no way that Ripp can get you reliable 400+ WHP with out beefed up internals on a Lancer (which then it is still doubtful) and that would cost alot more on top of the $5600 Eclipse kit price. Not saying it can't be done (with enough $$ anything is possible), The stock internals will fail under the strain of more than 240-250 HP (guest-a-mate)... Eclipse and Lancer motors are two completely different monsters to tackle... I suggest not comparing the two in this manor (like comparing Banannas and Grapes ). Anyway, my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by WADADLIG_OZ

I guess it had to come to this.

Just ignore them NEXT. You know what your kit is doing now and hopefully will be doing when you either do the tranny swap or replace the torque converter. Everyone in the US lancer section knows how it is when new competitors come in.

Be happy with your kit and continue posting about it's merits when people ask.

WADAD

Originally Posted by archangelite

i second everything Next sez. Boe ALWAYS bashes on RIpp, whether he wants to admit it or not. Ripp has a kit thats an alternative to RRMs kit. Doesnt mean Boe has to diss every other manufactorer out there just because they might take sales from his precious RRM. i think rrm's @ss is clean, so stop brown nosing them. RRM kits are great, but pricey. RIPPs kits are great and less costly. they BOTH have theyre ups and downs. deal with it.