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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
So I'm talking with a fabricator friend of mine. He usually does 4x4 stuff, but he has craploads of experience making custom manifolds. I also have the chance to become the owner of a barely used T66.

Now I've always done superchargers - I'm not familiar at all with the types of turbos and amounts of boost they produce. Is a T66 a good choice? I'm thinking of doing a MAX of 5 or 6 PSI to start off; don't want to take a huge risk of blowing my new engine. Thoughts?
Not familiar with T66s, so I can't help there. I agree though, I wouldn't go past 5 psi.
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by graypearlgts
as far as the tranny holding to 285hp seems pretty reasonable... think about this for a second, the nissan murano has a cvt tranny, and stock they push 245hp... now why is it unreasonable to think that a cvt in a lancer couldnt hold that much or a little more...
Nissan USA has faith in these trannies... why cant we?
uh...the Nissan Murano is $30k+ SUV. There is alot of money in that car.
Question is what is the comparison to their CVT and the Lancer's CVT? That needs to be checked out.

And I don't think they have a turbo in it. So.....if that is stock at 245hp w/o turbo utilizing CVT, I am sure there is going to be quite a difference in their CVT and the Lancer's.

I just need something a little more substantial to believe that the Lancer's CVT can handle such power. I can have faith in the engineering, but to give it such a high boost from 152hp to 285hp? I think anyone would question that.

feel me?
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 10:47 AM
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lol no one listens, there is a huge difference in the CVTs like you say chino.

Not ALL CVTs are made equally, Just because its a CVT doesnt mean its the same. There are different methods used to continously vary the ratio of the gears. Some use belts and pulleys, others use chains much like you see on a bike. Check out the link below and the link inside of that. I already asked the same question because the Audi has a TURBO cvt, but it uses a chain that is built for power where as ours uses a belt/pulley system.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=273402

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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DoHBoY
lol no one listens, there is a huge difference in the CVTs like you say chino.

Not ALL CVTs are made equally, Just because its a CVT doesnt mean its the same. There are different methods used to continously vary the ratio of the gears. Some use belts and pulleys, others use chains much like you see on a bike. Check out the link below and the link inside of that. I already asked the same question because the Audi has a TURBO cvt, but it uses a chain that is built for power where as ours uses a belt/pulley system.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=273402

mmkay.
I KNEW THAT!
(I think)
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Blacksheepdj
Not familiar with T66s, so I can't help there. I agree though, I wouldn't go past 5 psi.
Cool. Can anyone else chime in on this? BTW it's a T66BB. After reading some reviews, I'm wondering if it may be too much turbo for the boost application.
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DoHBoY
V4, I4 whatever all im saying is dont compare half an engine to a beast of an engine.

Considering people are talking about 7 being a small boost, 5 should be good to start with.
i think the 08 lancer engine can handle 10-12 psi easily.
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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 12:32 PM
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t66 is very large. You might want to start of with something a lil bit smaller. It would take forever to spool that thing, or you could use nitrous..
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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 12:44 PM
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hell someone just needs to try it out and let us all know what happens
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Old Jun 17, 2007 | 12:56 AM
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the only thing i know is that the HP doesn't matter that much, the torque is the one that can really mess up the cvt in the first 2 or 3 preset "gears"
think of diesel engines, those things have lower HP ranges but higher torque ranges than a gasoline engine; also most of them are turbocharged...
other thing to consider is the compression ratio of the engine... a Normally Aspirated engine has a bigger compression than a Turbocharged, numbers are 10.1:1 VS 8:1 in each case.
Things that MUST be considered to turbo o supercharge an engine: compression ratio, intake and exhaust manifolds, intercooler, blow-off valve, valves, camshafts, ecu maps for fuel ratio and rpm limit, not to mention a better brakes package, exhaust pipes and mufflers (minimum 2.5" of diameter)
thats pretty much what you need

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Old Jun 17, 2007 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ingballesteros
the only thing i know is that the HP doesn't matter that much, the torque is the one that can really mess up the cvt in the first 2 or 3 preset "gears"
think of diesel engines, those things have lower HP ranges but higher torque ranges than a gasoline engine; also must of them are turbocharge...
other thing to consider is the compression ratio of the engine... a Normally Aspirated engine has a bigger compression than a Turbocharged, numbers are 10.1:1 VS 8:1 in each case.
Things that MUST be considered to turbo o supercharge an engine: compression ratio, intake and exhaust manifolds, intercooler, blow-off valve, valves, camshafts, ecu maps for fuel ratio and rpm limit, not to mention a better brakes package, exhaust pipes and mufflers (minimum 2.5" of diameter)
thats pretty much what you need
i think the 08 gts brakes will do fine. should be able to turbo it with basic mods like exhaust and fuel system and ecu upgrades to 10psi and that will probally add 100+ hp. maybee a small turbo like a Garrett T25 BB would be good.
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Old Jun 17, 2007 | 04:22 PM
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I dont think we'll know how much this motor can handle until people start pushing the envelope. Most important thing will be tuning fuel and ignition. Ive seen motors blow up at 5 psi and same stock motor pushing 12 with a very good tune. I dont know how the electronics on this car will react to mods. Im sure these cars will at the very least require some kind of piggy back (which Im not too fond of depending on what type of parameters u can adjust) or stand alone.

I was told by Mitsu performance specialist that the CVT can handle 285 with only a tad over 1% slippage
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Old Jun 17, 2007 | 10:41 PM
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all boils down to one question, who wants to volunteer their car?
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Old Jun 17, 2007 | 11:38 PM
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i can't believe some people are doubting this engines capabilities, u spoiled children, you have dohc mivec with over 150hp.i put 2 grand na and i had 135 at the crank
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 12:01 AM
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Just to shed a little light on the blind groping going on...

People have compared the Mitsubishi CVT with the Nissan CVT. You do know they are both manufactured by the same company? JATCO is the industry leader in CVT technology and Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru and a ton of other manufacturers are buying their CVT technology from JATCO.

http://www.jatco.co.jp

I had the honor of meeting the project leader from JATCO during his stay in my area and that is where the information on the limits of the CVT came from. Whether you believe them or not is all up to the individual.
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by kmxxbadboy
Just to shed a little light on the blind groping going on...

People have compared the Mitsubishi CVT with the Nissan CVT. You do know they are both manufactured by the same company? JATCO is the industry leader in CVT technology and Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru and a ton of other manufacturers are buying their CVT technology from JATCO.

http://www.jatco.co.jp

I had the honor of meeting the project leader from JATCO during his stay in my area and that is where the information on the limits of the CVT came from. Whether you believe them or not is all up to the individual.
I didn't know that.
That's news to me.
Is that the F1C1?

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