so lets say we get the minimum of 40...

Ive been trying to figure out which thing adds which amount of hp. I.M and T.B add about 10. so thats 30. sooo are they including the ecu upgrade? im assuming they arent.

Anyone with a cam? stg 1, stg 1.5, stg2 ? dyno their car? im tryin to figure out numbers with the mods. If the ecu upgrade is included I would expect higher than 40 hp. I dont think im going to go with this, but do all the upgrades with diff people, rrm for im and tb, rpw cam, and some local shop for port and polish on the head.

I figure the manifold and thorttlebody add 10 - 12
Cam - 10 - 15
port and polish - 10-15

are those numbers for the cam and p&p close?

 

I actually bought this head package for my 91 integra, but I also added a bigger bore pistons and refreshed the block and saw a 36 whp gain, but I did not include the cams which would have been closer to an extra 16-20 whp. I was going turbo so had them exclude the cams for a cheaper price.

Also go to www.gude.com and get the phone # and talk to bill gude when ready for purchase, he will hook you up with a great deal. you will definately be happy w/ the extra power, excellent work and will he will give you help if come into problems installing.

 

did that 36 whp include an ecu upgrade? and if so what was it? thats not a bad gain when u look at the excluding of the cams.

 

But also which type of integra was it.

If you have a 170whp car already then the 36whp is an 21% increase.
21% on a 98 hp car is 20.75 or 21hp. That's still not too bad minus the cam.
I have heard the stage 1 cam estimated to give 10whp.
So you're looking at 31whp with cam.

WADAD

 

yeah but the % is gonna vary from car to car. They claim the minimum for any car is 40 whp. he left out part of the pakage, the cam so obviously he would have been over 40. Its a 39.2% gain for our car. so like i said I.M and T.B =10, cam = 15, p&p = 15. or something liek that to equal 40.

But no one has done this or dyno'd on our car...so we dont really know, im just goin on there 40 min. gain. hell maybe we can get 50 maybe more, we just wont know until some one gets these mods and dyno's. But I would bet the big numbers come from the cam/p&p/ and whatever ecu upgrade you will be running.

 

That may be an overstatement right there... it's only an estimate that they give for all the cars they do, and of those, the Lancer is probably one of the lower end cars.


If I had to guess, I'd say the manifold and throttle body will maybe yield 5hp and the port and polish probably wouldn't be noticeable without more breather mods. Individually, most of these upgrades have little value, so it doesn't make sense to try to add them up for a total - it just doesn't work that way.

Realistically, the throttle body, manifold, and port/polish probably would contribute maybe 10HP to an otherwise stock engine. The cams are the significant part here and can probably yield up to 15HP or so on their own. Combining the cams with the rest probably makes for 30HP or so as each mod supports the rest of the mods, so you get some bigger benefits from combining them, but you're still going to struggle to get to +40HP here.
-N

 

yes it did come with an ecu upgrade, and it was for an ls motor, before the work was done my car dynoed 96 whp 90 ft lb. tq. after it was done it dynoed 135 whp and 125 ft lb tq about a 41%.

 

I talked to a guy that said billet cams are not good for a daily driver
I guess the lobe wears down over time with alot of mileage
does any one else know this? and is that why shops do regrinds

 

that's got to be the other way around.... When a shop regrinds, they grind away the very small layer of case hardening (usually less than 1/16" ) and all they can do is make the lobe sharper. As this relatively soft steel wears away your valves start to open less and that robs you of power.
What RPW does is grind a billet to have larger lobes (for longer valve opening durations IIRC). I'm 15000X more confident in a billet grind than I am in a cam re-grind...
BUT a cam regrind would certainly be cheaper. A buddy of mine says his regrind gave him a little more pep, and moved the powerband more toward the mid-RPM range (which is where most of us drive).
But then, I could be wrong

 

an ls motor, wasnt even a gs-r or a type r...

He got a 41% increase in power, and his whp sock is just a lil lower than ours. That makes me beileve we can get a nice gain. He got a 39 whp gain w/o the re-grinding of the cam, I think thats pretty good.

I really think that we can get around 40-50 whp from those mods... not just the package from them, but from piecing together all of those too. I think we could just order the package w/o the cam, then get a cam from rpw for a beter gain

Still wanna know what kind of ecu mod was done? was it a chip? piggyback?

I can only imagine if a stand alone was added hehe

With all those mods added with I/E/H... N/A with 150 + whp

I could be wrong...but hey a guy can dream

 

I don't think we can speculate at the gain for the lancer based on the Integra LS. There's a lot of room for improvement in the LS head, and that's why they port it for the ITR. I've looked at our lancer head, and it looks pretty well designed. For the most part there are a few casting inclusions, but the intake side is pretty open and clean, and there's almost no space between the IM runners and the valves. I'm not saying we won't see decent gains, but now you're dreaming about 41% based on the numbers from a totally different machine.
Let's all calm down, take a deep breath and we'll all take a look at real numbers when a ported head gets installed and dynoed

 

I know but, im just so sick of people dissn' the lancer.

ok looking back I think I was being to excited, but I still think we should get a decent gain from these mods.

Hope someone does this soon and gets a dyno

 

well I spoke to the guys about my head package and they said i should get it in about 4 or 5 days , Im going to pick it up from gude so if anyone wants to ask questions let me know

 

so u got the cam and everything? or did you just get certian parts?

 

I got the whole thing