I did a search on this. I searched for "bullfrog", "head packages", "bullfrog head packages", etc. Nothing came up.

Here is a LINK to the head packages
http://www.mmrusa.com/gudehead.htm

Price: $1600 (Plus core deposit, but it's refundable)

Includes:
* Ported and Polished Cylinder Head
* Racing Valve Grind
* Ported Intake Manifold
* Ported Throttle Body
* Cam Shaft
* ECU Upgrade (some cars, I don't know about lancer)

They claim 40-58 WHEEL horsepower depending on the car. Puting a stock lancer at a minimum of 160 crank horsepower (That's very conservitive, as it adds 40-58whp, not crank), while still being naturally aspirated. And if it's closer to 58whp, it could be as high as 180 crank hp

I did some math and for the RRM TB and RRM IM, you are already at $600+ ... if the package includes ECU for the lancer, then RRM IM +RRM TB + RRM PB is $1000+ ... so $1600 is not a bad price at all for this head package.

Can anyone give me any first hand knowledge about these "head packages"?

- Jason

P.S. Aside from first hand knowledge, what do you think?

 

I highly doubt that those whp figures are pulled from an na car. As always that's more than likely the gains you get from a car that's already boosted, hence the higher number gains - naturally a boosted car shows bigger gains no matter what the mods versus an na car.

 

I cruised through their site and they also list a turbo kit for 02+ Lancers. Hopefully we'll see more from the company!

 

I dunno, I'd expect waaay more hp from all that stuff on a boosted lancer. 40whp for a complete head swap sounds about right.

- Jason

 

I sent them an email asking them a bunch of questions about the head package. I'm only a newb and rarely know what i'm talking about when it comes to cars, but it does look appealing since I haven't seen anything like it anywhere else. I'll post the Q/A after i get their email back.

Later,
mechtn

 

that sounds intresting

def wanna hear more about this ive been thinkin about doin a port and polish.

 

Yeah, any internal work outside of new pistons/rods, camshaft have been custom jobs to this point. Nobody has really stepped up and offered these services for the Lancer. Hopefully they'll respond to your email soon! I'd be interested to hear from them also.

 

sounds interesting. i know they make head packages for every type of honda, but i've never actually seen/driven a car with one. i think they just came out with a head package for the ford focus zetec as well. i have heard though that they are very reliable, and do add a good amount of power.

 

Could some one explain to me what a head package is exactly?

Fox

 

I don't think those numbers are too far off for an NA. We've had reports of 40WHP gains from cams, we know intake porting works, as does TB porting. P&P and vlave grinding are details (maybe 4 HP total on an NA) so conservatively their numbers might be right.

$1600 is a little on the steep side for my budget, but 40WHP is like running 4psi boost, so it's cheaper than a turbo. Plus the effects would be cumulative with a turbo setup in the future (except maybe the cam, but if it's like a RPW stage 1 then it's not that far off of a turbo grind).

Good find, let us know what they have to say and if you're not getting the info you want, maybe we can have you ask the right questions.

 

shigen...the head package is listes on the first post..

what you guys have to remember is that boe had all of those mods...and he dyno'd in at a whopping 267whp( i belive) somewhere around there...but he was boosted on stage2...stage two people have came is at around 220-225whp...so for the gains...that would be a definate plus...i also would like to see what kinda gains us N/A guys can get out of it....

 

I guess I didn't phrase my question right. Why is it called a head package? I realize that what is in the list is what constitutes the head package, but what I am asking is why those items, when grouped together, are called a head package.

I'm not sure if that clairifies my question. Kudos to the person that can figure out what I am saying... heh..

Fox

 

I would stick with the conservative 40 whp guess, since the Lancer is in the lower hp bracket (they would be doing people a favor to list percent gains instead of actual hp, because everybody with a 100 hp car dreams of 60 more, while the driver of a 300 hp V8 scoffs at 40). But anyway, that does look like a good deal for what you get. I think any of the NA Lancers tuned as much as that have spent more to get a similar setup. Might want to see if they have different specs for the Lancer if it is NA or boosted, though.

 

i would say they call it the head package because all those things listed had to to with the head of the cars engine...throttle body..intake mani...port and polish of the head, cams and valves all have to do with the head of the engine...thats would be why they call it the head package...its pretty much what a person that wants the most out of their car would want to do eventually

 

Ok guys, i called them up for total details.

Mind you, there is NO turbo kit available yet. if there is a demand for it, meaning customers, then they would start on it. i asked for an estimate to see if the price was right. it would be 3,350 for intercooled. so its kindof steep, but then again it was an estimate.

Ok as for the Head Packages.

The head package is 1,600 dollars with a deposit of 500 dollars with shipping of 65 bucks...brings a total of 2,165 dollars with 500 refund once they receive your stock pieces back.
As for pics of the package, all it is is your stock head, IM, TB, and bored out/ or polished. and your cams upgraded. thats all. so the pics would resemble exactly what your stock stuff are.

Units sold already is about 3 packages so far. it is for manual and automatic transmissions. it is a direct fit.

If you guys have any questions about this then let me know through this thread and ill call them right away