Temporary thread
 

for those looking for dyno sheets on the lancer. i'll add links to these first two posts as they come in.

Dynojet Dyno


-comatose721 - ? gear-
CAI, 4g94 P&P Intake Mani, Custom P&P Exhaust Mani, 2.25in Downpipe, 2.25in Cat Back, PB ECU v.1.0, Magnacore Plug Wires, RRM Crank Pulley, Clutchmasters Flywheel, Kaaz LSD, RRM Big Bore Fuel Rail.

112whp@5650
? wtq


https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh....php?p=2893354

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-gregivq - 3rd gear-
RRM SRI, RRM 10.5:1 Forged Pistons, FPR@39psi

112whp@5650
123wtq@4300


https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=162716

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-engineerboy-
Ported IM & head, 2.25" DP, SRI, ground wires, RRM Header,
GReddy eManage, GreenPsycho bored fuel rail.

111whp
115wtq

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...25#post1673602

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-andy-
sri, 609 maf, obx header header with custom 2.5 midpipe
highflow cat 2.5 exhaust and e-manage on 87 sunoco.

128.92whp@5250
138.14wtq@4200

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/at...chmentid=46875

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-Automatic 51 - ? gear-
RMR SRI.

104.7whp@5950
115.4wtq@4300

https://www.evolutionm.net/registry/viewdyno.php?did=53

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-RhYZiN - 3rd gear-
Apex'I S-AFC, RPW/FSE FPR, Short pipe from AEM CAI, Ractive stainless steel
filter w/ heatshield, 2G GSX fuel pump, RRM axelback exhaust, 501 MAS from 3G
Eclipse.

116whp@5950
122wtq@4450

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=66354

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-Boeturbolancer - 4th gear- (before turbo, of course ;) )
RRM headers, RRM Test Pipe, RRM Magnaflow Exhaust, RRM Short Ram Intake,
RRM Throttle Body, Port/Polished/Matched Head, Bored out Intake Manifold, JE
Pistons, Shot-Peened Rods, Aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator.

117whp
115wtq

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...t&pagenumber=6

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-03lancer - (i think?) - 4th gear-
RRM ECU reflash, test pipe, axelback muffler (?), rrm throttlebody, cai. NO
aftermarket header.

127whp@5675
120wtq@3675

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...t&pagenumber=5

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- nightrider - ? gear-
rrm header, test pipe, exhaust, injen cai, magnecore wires.

111whp
124wtq

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...o&pagenumber=1

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- urbanknight - 3rd gear-
RRM ecu reflash, RMR intake, custom "ram air" ducting.

109whp
120wtq

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&pagenumber=20

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- Buschur Racing/Import Tuner Magazine - 4th gear-
Buschur Racing intake, Buschur Racing 2.5" exhaust, Buschur Racing mandrel
bent 2.5" downpipe, Buschur Racing high flow cat.

111.9whp
121.6wtq

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0205it_pplancer/

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-imapunkclaimer - 3rd gear-
aem intake, roadrace piggyback.

115.5whp@5700
126.2wtq@3600


https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...057#post803500

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TURBO CARS
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-omarboy25 - ? gear-
18psi - Custom T3/T4
T3/T4 custom turbo manifold from adfx, 3' exhaust w/ borla muffler, je pistons,
rrm intake manifold, rrm tb, big frount mount, real big adfx port polished cyl head,
oversized valves, deyeme motor mounts, act stage 2 clutch, kaaz power pot lsd,
b&m short throw, AEM ems, pauter rods, rpw head gasket, rpw camshaft, rpw
cam gear, magnecore wires, ngk laser platinum plugs, tial bov, tial wastegate.

308whp
300 wtq


https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=94038

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-Lancerguy'03 - 4th gear-
7psi - RRM intercooled turbo kit
RRM Stage 1 I/C @7psi, RRM Stage 2 clutch, RRM Flywheel, RRM
Magnaflow Catback.

184whp@5800
210wtq@4200

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/at...chmentid=55373

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-Guru_Del - 4th gear - Automatic-
5psi - RRM intercooled turbo kit

138.1whp (calculated 193.96whp in 3rd)

http://www.sclc.net/members/guru_del/guru_dyno.jpg

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-STAGE 2 RRM TURBO (Boe)-
9 psi, 10-1 AFR, On 91 octane pump gas

242 torque at 4750 rpm
233 WHEEL H.P. at 5250 rpm

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=74294

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-ROAD///RACE SHOP CAR-
272 torque at 4750 rpm
252 WHEEL H.P. at 5250 rpm, 12 psi, 11-1 AFR
On 100 octane race gas

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=74294

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-prototypemike-
219.3 whp @ 9lbs of boost with a t3/t4e stage 5

[no dyno]


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SUPERCHARGED CARS
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-GreenPsycho-
11psi - Ripp SDS kit, alchemy forge ported 4g93 intake manifold, bored
throttle body, bored fuel rail, kamikaze headers, magnaflow HFC,
magnaflow catback.

194whp@6100
167wtq@5700


http://webpages.charter.net/hoelle5/.../OZ2005JAY.JPG



*RRM ecu reflash and piggyback may have different tunes between the two,
therefore, different results.
a RRM piggyback review
RRM Piggyback ECU Review thread

**RRM ecu reflash/piggyback requires the use of at least 91 octane.

***unconfirmed of any real percentage, there is a difference in hp/tq between
3rd and 4th gear. 4th gear should show more hp and less tq than 3rd. estimate
3-5%.

Mustang Dyno


-Danno-
AEM CAI with K&N Filter, Magnaflow Cat-Back Exhaust, Test Pipe (custom), RRM V1 Piggy Back, No A/C No Power Stearing

108.5whp@5250
118.5wtq@4500

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...09#post3027909

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-sdhotwn - 3rd gear-
intake, exhaust

91whp

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=wadad+dyno

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-WADADLIG_OZ-
RPW stage one cam, RPW Race Header, RMR intake, Custom 2.25 catback with Ansa muffler.

119.4whp@5500
115.1wtq@4500

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/showthread.php?t=134541#post1931660

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-WADADLIG_OZ - 3rd gear-
K&N drop in filter, axelback muffler, RPW header

120.9whp@6000
120.6@wtq@4500

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=wadad+dyno

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-Blacksheepdj - 4th gear-

Buschur SRI, downpipe, high flow cat, RRM axleback
Magnacor wires (worthless)

93.2whp@5750
95.8wtq@4250

https://www.evolutionm.net/registry/viewdyno.php?did=11



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Turbo Cars
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-Ntran999 - 3rd gear - Automatic-
5psi - RRM non-intercooled turbo kit

171.9whp@5750
160.2wtq@~5324

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...light=ntran999


*sdhotwn has said that the correct weight of the car is important as the mustang dyno adds load to the drums, unlike the dynojet.


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DynaPack Dyno

-R_Shaw21 - Automatic-
8 psi - T-25 Turbo, 31.5x8x3.5 PTE ASE Intercooler, SAFC II, Walbro 190 Fuel pump, 1g BOV, 2 1/2 Complete Exhaust, Bigger injecters, K&N.

152.5 whp @ 88 mph, 5081 rpm
185.7 ft/lbs wt @ 69mph, 3946 rpm


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Turbo Cars
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-rabbit61319-
9 psi - RRM Stage II turbo kit, pretty much all RRM bolts ons(no parts list)

249whp@5252
226.5wtq@3980


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G-tech Dyno

-blaze_125 - 3rd gear-
header, 3" catback and sri

110whp


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Auterra Software Dyno

-blaze_125 - 3rd gear-
Kamikaze headers, custom catback, DIY short ram intake, 17" wheels with 205/45/17, Progress springs

125.6whp@5900
117.7wtq@4800

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/2...pt071259pg.gif


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Unknown Dyno

-MYRAGE (1996 mirage coupe 1.5L) - 3rd gear
221kw=300fwhp, roughly 370hp at the flywheel

http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...23_14_full.jpg

The results with the piggyback or reflash are higher than cars with loads of bolt ons and engine work, so seems like that is a good mod, good thing I got one.

And on the mustang dyno, how does WADADLIG_OZ have 29 more horsepower with just a header than sdhotwn?

This is a good thread. Does this take into count pulling in 3rd gear vs. 4th gear?

Do you want to add the Buschur racing testing dyno by chance? It was on a Dynojet.

Peak horsepower 111.9 hp, Peak torque 121.6 lb-ft.
Mods: Buschur SRI Intake, Buschur high-flow Cat, Buschur 2.5" downpipe, Buschur 2.5" catback exhaust

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0205...cer/index.html

i'll add the 3rd/4th gear pull.

the buschur racing dyno is the same as the import tuner one. the last one on the dynojet post.

That's a great question. No one has been able to give me any answer as to the nature of that. Remember I had a KN drop in fliter which has been shown to work well with the Mitsu MAS as has also been well documented in the EVO forum. I am sure the straight through muffler I had on freed up a horse or two also.

WADAD

It would be nice to get an agreement on what the weight of our cars is. I approximated it at 2700 pounds. what did you have them enter sdhotwn?

As for weight, look at your registration or title. There is a DOT weight for your car, and there is no reason for a gov't agency to be bias on the weight issue.

My RIP, auto, 99 mirage LS coupe was 2332 lbs. See my mirage weights as much as a Civic HB CX/VX, manual. Unfortunately, Mitsu sacrificed safety for lightweight.

My Sold, auto, 89 S13 240sx HB was 2700 lbs. Gotta love RWD action, very fun with balding rear tires from the fishtailing action.

My current, manual, 90 Eagle Talon TSI, FWD is 2715. I haven't driven it yet for more than 3 feet from flat tires on the 95 swirly rims.

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RhYZiN - rpw header + 501 MAF + exhaust + tuning. It's about right.

Boe - expected to see more top end power w/ his massive amount of mods.

03lancer- the reflach and the opening up of the TB shows top end power

nightrider - see it as the median w/ bolt-ons.

urbanknight - just about average w/ basic ecu reflash. W/ header, his # should jump a good deal.

Buschur- on par w/ the bolt-ons w/o header.

WADADLIG_OZ - Look at the TQ power pulling up to 4500 rpm on his and Rhyzin, a testament to rpw header.


BTW: for those guys pulling runs on dyno, what rim sizes are you using? It does have effect on the HP.

Lancer Model Curb Weight
 

VIN number___________Model (weight tran.)

- JA3AJ16E_3U(Economy)__SRSEL (2716 auto/2648 auto in CAN)--- SNSEL(2604 5spd in CAN)
- JA3AJ26E_3U(Low)______SNMEL (2670 5spd)---SRMEL (2714 auto)
LS - JA3AJ36E_3U(Medium)___SRDEL (2743 auto)
OZ - JA3AJ86E_3U(Sports)____SNHEL (2701 5spd)---SRHEL (2745 auto)

these are the weights given by mitsu with a car filled with all fluids and full tank of gas. gasoline weighs between 5.8-6.5 lbs per gallon. a full tank is 13.2 gallons.

example:
my VIN is a JA3AJ86E_2U. OZ lancer 5-speed that weighs 2701 stock.

if people can check their VINs so we can associate weight by model name, that would be cool

Economy Canada models - ?
ES - ?
LS - JA3AJ36E_3U
OZ - JA3AJ86E_3U

Stuck. When I get my car on a dyno again I'll get a printout this time. ;)

I am not going to a dyno but on friday if the weather holds I will be running at a strip here, first time since I put everything on my car ran almost stock about 6 months ago so id like to see some improvments, anyone think I should put the test pipe back on to run or just leave it off.

what was ur 1st time when u ran? i'd like to see how fast u r with those mods, might do that instead of turbo in case things fall through

The first time I went I ran 6 times and ran the same damn time ever run it was 18.0 all right in that range could never get below there. The only mod I had was cai. It was also 130 degrees on the track so hot as hell. Ill post up the new numbers after I run.

They dyno I ran on we believe is out of calibration now after looking into it more. All the vehicles that were dyoned in one night ran 20 hp each below accepted values for each car. So that would put my car more likely at 111 hp. Which would make sense. The calibration of a dyno is very important, and the guys there didn't seem to have any clue about that. Soo... :)

but wouldn't that put your stock 111hp against a dynojet's stock numbers of 101-103? this is with your kamikaze header or no?

No header. So that would be with catback exhaust and K and N SRI. So yeah you are right in that it is high. I'd guess 105-108 as being more accurate... but mustang's do supposedly read 10% lower... which would put my "mods" for my car to a point where it should have read right around 100... so only about 10 hp higher... dynos just aren't reliable enough!

I did do that with 19 lb 17" rims on... sooo I don't think that makes that much of a difference, but if someone contests that statement on my part I'll do the calculations to give you whether or not it does and by how much.

Later.

2002OZ,

Did you run your car stock w/ auto? Manual doesn't tag 18's, unless w/ bigger wheels.


I did do that with 19 lb 17" rims on... sooo I don't think that makes that much of a difference, but if someone contests that statement on my part I'll do the calculations to give you whether or not it does and by how much.
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I'm a firm believer that bigger wheels on cars less than 250 HP will have an adverse effect on dyno. It takes more effort to get larger rotational mass of bigger wheels to turn effectively.

Example of OZ: Dyno a lancer with 18's, Dyno a lancer with 15's, and finally Dyno with 13's. Guess who will have the highest HP/TQ rating. Certainly, not the 18's.

Butt Dyno on the road:

1) A lancer w/ 18's will be a literally a dog to drive trying to spring off the line.

2) A lancer w/ 15's will feel normal as expected.

3) A lancer w/ 13's will feel that it will sprint like crazy, but there is unstability issues due to the samller tires on a 2700 lbs car.

4) I would like to wonder about the ES guys using their stock wheel . . . their figures should be slightly off from the OZ. Well, I have time, I'll read the wheel size and edit my previous post.

i believe so too. there was a 1.8 mirage owner with i/h/e and pulled only 90whp b/c they had 17" rims. definately thought he should've pulled more.

I don't know how much I agree or disagree.. I really need to simply do the calculations. I'll let you know when I get them done..

But I've also heard that rubber will often weigh more than rim when you get into the sizes. If you are running a lightweight alloy I'd easily see the spoke distance as weighing less than a reinforced sidewall... but who knows. I also have a hard time believing that 4 lbs difference in rim weight (my 19 lb 17's versus the 15 lb stockies) would matter much of anything as far as total loads the vehicle sees... but we'll see what the math says.

Later.

Steve

i'm not all that good in the physics of things but, if you have larger rims with smaller profile tires, would the fact that most of the weight is now on the edge of the rim than in a smaller rim needing more torque? also the longer spokes would require more torque also? all those saturday morning cartoons say that a smaller wheel produces more torque. :D

i can see that a small rim with larger tires would be easier to spin while larger rims with longer spokes and a low profile tire would be easier to spin after it has started to roll due to the mass on it's outer edge. :dunno:

keep in mind that the overall diameter of the wheel/tire combo is still the same. So it's overall weight and yes weight distribution, that matter.

The torque is constant, so that's a mute issue, that's determined by the engine. Then acceleration is determined by applied force (F=ma), so if your rim overall diameter is the same.. then so is your applied force (torque is ft-lbs, so device your output torque by wheel radius... about 10 or 11 inches from center to edge of tire) and you get the force at the contact patch. Since regardless of what rim etc you have on there you have the same radius if you size properly, and your torque output is fixed by the engine's ability, that would say that regardless of the wheel you have the same force.

But, that is negated somewhat by the fact that you have to accelerate the rotation of the rim as well as the mass of the vehicle. But a few extra lbs in the rim is quite negligible in comparison to the mass of the vehicle.

So without even doing the actual math it looks like the rim will matter very little. Certainly not 10-20 hp ;).

im dynoing my car with the piggyback and aem intake tomorrow morning. ill tell you how it does. its 5speed btw.
im guessing 120whp so lets see what i get.

good luck {thumbup}

HP
115.5 @ 5700 RPMS
3rd Gear Pull

TQ
126.2 @ 3600 RPMS

There was a big dip of the torque at about 4k, but im getting that fixed by roadrace. hopefully i can see better results.

only mods: aem intake / roadrace piggyback
stock wheels stock clutch

dynojet?

How is it that Roadrace is going to fix that dip? REtune the PB?

I hope this is not indicative of all the PB's. Oh yes and please let us know which kind of dyno you were on.

WADAD

will get mine dynoed in the next week or so wating for time but my mods are rmr intake, rrre header, rre test pipe, rmr axel back,and rre piggyback i dont have any idea what im going to put down

Anybody with 18"s race theirs yet? hehe kinda wondernig, my car doesnt really feel to much different with my new wheels, but i could be wrong... People should post 1/4 times here too! im interested in that...

i dunno if that dip is fixable. if you look at 03lancer's dyno, the same dip is there and this was way back with the reflash.

exactly Rhyzin!!!
And to me that would explain why I think the car seems to be less potent when shifting at high revs. There is no doubt that lower rpm torque is improved. I think this is confirmation.

Anyway back on topic maybe that should be in the PB review thread.

I have my 1/4 mile times at the bottom of my signature. (stock rims with 205/60/15 tires)

I will be interested to see what kind of dyno IMAPUNKC used.

WADAD

And BTW could you please post a dyno sheet for us. When I did mine hp was still rising at 6k rpm but of course that's just before fuel cut and redline for us.

Off the line sprint, IMO, weight isn't as much of an issue. It's the effort to spin the rotational mass. A C5 vette or Supra can easily spin 17's and 18's because of their use globs of TQ, but you put those same wheels on a Civic DX . . . the results can be real ugly. Maybe as slow as a BMW 318 w/ 16's.

Also, a stock G93 will dyno somewhere in the 90 HP range. W/ basic mods, the 17's will still probably kill the G93's power, unless w/ TC or NOS.

if you could get a scan or pic imapunkclaimer, that would be cool. definately wanna see the torque and hp curve.

it seems as though the RRM piggyback/reflash gives peak torque in the first "hump" early but has a not so different second "hump" than most other lancers. also, it doesn't seem like 03lancer's dyno follows the hp=(rpm*tq)/5252 formula either unless i'm reading it wrong. kinda makes me :dunno: about that peak hp of 127.

imapunkclaimer's dyno compared to urbanknight's dyno would give quite a definitive answer between the difference of a cai and sri.

im going to attach 3 pics because i had to take it with a webcam. i dont have a scanner.

1:

2. here you can see the hp 115.5

wow is that one ****ty powerband!!!

3. and lastly, the torque loss at the critical 4k rpms

out of the 3 pulls, they all had this dip.

Are you getting your PB retuned?

WADAD

yea, but friday i have work so maybe next week on monday

Sorry to follow up with another question but did you ever say what kind of dyno it was?

WADAD

dynojet at xs-engineering

what are the numbers on the right and left? i can't read them. that drop at 4k might be exaggerated but still correct depending the on the units the graphs are using. it looks like a regular torque curve except stretched up and down. there is expected to be a drop in torque at 4k. can you list the numbers on the sides of the graph at each line?

Was the dip a shift point? Looks logical?

you dont shift in a 3rd gear pull. thats the full band in 3rd gear from 1.7k rpms to about 6k rpms.

the units go from 126 then drop to 110 then back up to 125 all within 1k rpms.

in that case, dropping to about 110 is expected. the lines are spaced out too much and it looks like a big drop when actually it's normal.

your torque curve is better than mine with just a cai and PB. i've got all sorts of **** in my car and it's barely close to yours. :thumbup: :thumbup:

(time to save up for an emanage :spin: )

I had only a slight dip in torque, wondering why yours was larger? But the numbers look about right. Piggyback is supposed to be an improvement from the reflash, and people say CAI has more hp than SRI. If it wasn't for someone telling me that CAI has a sluggish throttle response, I might switch.

WADAD should I tell RPW to give you a commission when I buy the header? Actually, I wanna see if the RRM header produces the same gains (yeah, I'm a loyal customer, they take care of me). Are they constructed in similar styles?

I did my pull on 16x7 19 lb rims with Falken Azenis tires. I figure, the 4 extra pounds balances out the smaller diameter, so still a pretty accurate figure. Not sure if the car's weight makes much difference in dyno results, as the car is stationary and not propelling itself or overcoming drag or anything like that. But I put 2700, as I believe Mitsu states 2701 as the OZ curb weight.

Oh yeah, here's my 1/4 mile times with the same setup
17.268 @ 79.52 mph
Should I be posting all this in my sig like everyone else? :D
But what really matters to me is that I beat an STI by 1.5 seconds at an autocross in October!!!

You gotta keep in mind that dynos are not always accurate. Obviously I dynoed out MUCH lower than most people on here.. and WADAD dynoed out pretty darn high. It is possible we both dynoed on crappy dynos. So basing a decision off of either of our dynos is a VERY bad idea. If WADAD goes to another dyno and gets the same number THEN you have something. If I go and dyno my car on a different dyno (which I can't do now as it's for sale) and it shows 120 now or something because I use a different dyno and I have the Kamikaze header, do you really think that my header gave me 30 hp???

When i raced I had 17"s, I didnt get a chance to race last weekend, it rained. I should be able to race this sunday though so we will see. I wish I had kept my stock rims would be great for racing. I asked the question before but will ask agian, with the listed mods I have should i put the test pipe back on?

Yes I agree with you, I was being a smart@$$. I do think a header is my next step, if they ever make a CARB one. Also, it's possible that WADAD's Lancer started out with higher base numbers. None of us were smart enough to dyno our cars stock. And yes, I do think that there is a wide margin of error, room for climate conditions, etc. But if everyone with an RPW header tested similar results, that would be solid. Until then, I'm just going to do whatever I think would be best for my car.

Good.. then you are 100% on :).. Yeah if another car in a different part of the country dynos out with RPW header near WADAD's then I'd say line up and buy em! :)

RRM all the way baby! I'm gonna put their header and maybe a custom catback and then dyno it.

hehehe

it only makes sense that RPW would dyno higher than RRM, sorry to take this OT but look at the construction of the two. RPW gets rid of the stock downpipe. There has to be within reason a larger gain on their header.

I make no commission at all :)

I simply offer what enjoyment I got from buying the header.

WADAD

That's true. Unfortunately for me, I need to keep both cats in just in case one of my competitors wants to make a stink about the rules. So unless they make a 2 in 1 high flow cat, I am waiting for a CARB approved header to come out. Anyway, sorry to get off topic. Any more dynos?

toss me on the list at 138.1 on a dynojet but a 4th gear pull on an auto (dont ask it was an error by the tech and i wasnt paying attention). 5PSI intercooled turbo on an auto.

for what it's worth that calculates out to about 193.96 whp in 3rd.

I am going back next week with exhaust and a boost controller.

man, that's like doing a pull in 5th on a manual!!!

exatly. it is like pulling in 5th haha overdrive is fun. i wondered why my dyno sheet started off high and went low. heheh. can we say shift point then TQ converter lock up? hahahah whoops.

1996 mirage coupe
3rd gear
221kw=300fwhp, roughly 370hp at the flywheel

http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...23_14_full.jpg

so you've got a 4G15? either way, that's pretty impressive.

Very nice! What's the displacement on that engine?

1500cc

oh yeah, what kind of dyno was used?

and what was i thinking(it was pretty late), that's very impressive! 300whp isn't something to sneeze at.

I know all my pulls both stock and turbo were on dynojets. Same dynojet to be specific. I like to keep everything consistent on and dyno's... temps were about the same 72 and 75 degrees. As for dyno numbers i feel they are cool but on the street is where you see what it's really made of. My girl dusted a 350Z twice last night. I think the car is doing well.

Manual guys should be pulling in 4th as that is the 1:1 ratio gear... why are some pulling in 3rd? Also what conversions are you using for auto's. I'm not familiar with that conversion at all.

hey yall
i was just wandering i ran a 17 2 in the quarter and all i had done was was a short ram intake
now i went to a injin cai and i got rrm header testpipe intake manifold the greddy cat back exhaust with a b&m short through shifter apexi safc and a set of super lightweight 17 rims with 215 40 r 17 falcon racing tires

i can leave the line at 2gs and not spin a tire im hoping to drop into the low 16 at nopi this year but i need to get it dinoed and tuned first anyone know where i can get that done at perferably somewhere close to central mo around st. louis


oh and does anyone make a disc brake conversion for our rear drum brakes yet or am i gonna have to frankinstein it from an evo

a bit OT, but you'd have a better chance converting rear discs from a ralliart.

don't forget to post back to this thread after you get dyno'd. :D

well eather way i need to upgrade them they dont work at all to my advantage in the racing i do everytime i slow down too fast they lock up


anyway i am still looking for some help with my dyno tuning anyone know of a place

I know this is a bit OT but...ive been trying to make a comparison between our beloved lancers and the Civic Si. If they race, by numbers it doesnt really seems so different. Heres a post i found from other sites (no idea if this is allowed but please let me know if it isnt)...he's got a 99 Civic SI and got Cam gears, Intake, all the NA mods.


99 CIVIC SI Posted:

Yesterday King Motorsports put on a dyno day at CJ Motorsports in West Chicago and I made the trip for some more Hondata tuning. Last week the car went to King for some street tuning so all I needed to do was tune the top end.

I managed to put down 185whp and 130 ft/lbs of torque. Not to bad for my setup. I was not able to mess around with my cam gears much because the cam gear bolts were starting to get stripped out so I did not want to risk messing them up on the dyno. I’m going to replace them with some better bolts and make a trip back to the local dyno in Madison. So I think I can dial in a few more HP next time out. Over all I’m very happy with the tuning King did for me. The car is very responsive at part throttle and rips up top!!! Here is a shot of my chart.

Man i only wish we could get the lancer to 9k!

what do you mean? rpm?

the rpm's.... we can't rev our engine that high.. be sweet if we could :)

k Ohh yeah it would... man could you imagine the possibilities if we could go to 9k rpm's on the lancer... under boost!! WOW {OMG}

so what do y'all think of this numbers?

torque sucks but the hp is nice... he's really a top end car with that setup.

so can we smoke him off the line?

he'd beat a stock lancer for sure. Even a well moded NA would have a tough time as his hp/tq is higher than most na's. After the line he'll pull on an na lancer big time. If you could get a well moded lancer on a short street you may have a chance to win but if it is anything over 2 tenths of a mile i'd say he'd win.

hey im still waiting on a reply about a place to dyno around st. louis missouri or surrounding areas and does anyone know hom much a dyno tune costs oh and as far as civics go i got a buddy thats got a 02 thats got exhaust cai and a header and something done to the ignition not sure what oh and he also has a vafc and we have raced many times and i always beat him by at least 2 if not 3 cars and since i got my new rubber i hook up better so i bet i would beat him eaver better now so i dont know what else that other civic has but i would think that i would be able to keep up if not beet him too oh and the motor in my buddies civic is the 1.6 dohc vetec so not sure ut he knows how to drive it to its kind of funny i give him **** about it all the time but really i need to find a dyno place close and ballpark figures on the cost thanks yall

most dyno's charge 80-100 bucks and hour for tuning. This includes all your dyno pull's etc. As for someplace close i can't help you there. Try a yellow pages search for dyno's?

EDIT - already covered in the thread.

Man....our Lancer's are slow. Even with mods. Doesn't seem like the Lancer likes mods all that much.

Welcome to the land of fuel injection and emissions standards Yellowman. Also, keep in mind that every hp gained on a Lancer is a 1% increase in power. If you start with a V8, you need triple that much to get the same gain. So for those Lancers that gain 10 hp with bolt ons, it's like a Mustang GT adding 30.

Not bad for an Auto!!
 

2002 ES (Auto)
T-25 Turbo, 31.5x8x3.5 PTE ASE Intercooler, SAFC II, Walbro 190 Fuel pump, 1g BOV, 2 1/2 Complete Exhaust, Bigger injecters, K&N.

Dynapack:
152.5 whp @ 88 mph, 5081 rpm
185.7 ft/lbs wt @ 69mph, 3946 rpm

Soon to be more this winter {thumbup}

on how much boost?

8lbs of boost. I want to add more just don't know if the tranny can handle it .

i dynod at 265.9whp and 259.6 tq at 15 psi
AEM EMS and T3/T4 set up tial 38mm wastgate
tial bov RC engineering injetors 550cc my mods
are on the forced induction section AMS tuned it
still waiting for rods to be installed and RPW stage 3
head will hit 300+whp in a few weeks stay tuned

i dyno'ed 219.3 whp @ 9lbs of boost with a t3/t4e stage 5, large turbo made for higher boost so very happy with my dyno results.

mike and omar, what kind of dyno?

Dynojet

oh yeah, you guys have the sheets posted somewhere? i'll list them, but the sheets are a bit more helpful so people can look at 'em.

has anyone N/A with I/E/H, I.M, T.B, cam, ecu upgrade of somekind dyno'ed?

Just curious, because it seems that the ecu, cam, and fuel upgrades help alot. But no one really has the whole package together with a cam and ecu dyno'ed. I would have loved to have seen boe's N/A car with the cam and emanage or something.

Im almost there, once i get my cam and emanage ill try to find a dyno near me and go there.

dynoed my car last night, mods are sri, 609 maf, obx header header with custom 2.5 midpipe highflow cat 2.5 exhaust and e-manage on 87 sunoco.

128.92 hp 5250rpm
138.14 tq 4200rpm

here is the dyno sheet.

nice numbers :)

I got my hands on a Gtechpro last night and took the car out for a spin (coming back from work). It was hella cold(slippery) last night so I wasn't able to push the car as much as I would have liked, but I still like those numbers.

3rd gear produced: 110whp

No printed sheet, nor computer file to post. I was using the basic Gtech that can not be connected to a computer. All I could do, is take a picture of the unit when it displays the hp figures.

I've got header, 2.25" catback and sri on my car. Those number should be accurate considering the fact I couldn't push it as hard as I wanted, and considering my car weights about 3000 pounds(Lancer OZ with sunroof, abs, manual trans, OZ wheels, 60 pounds sound system and my 115 pounds :lol: )

*******.... just got off a dynojet 248 and posted some crap numbers. Not sure what the problem is, but here's a pic (fawking snapfish ;) )


3rd gear pulls made a whopping 111WHP and 115TQ :crap: :crap:

Guess that means the Auterra PDA dyno isn't that far off, huh Rhyzin :lol:

Link doesn't work but sorry about the numbers.

WADAD

my guess is the head is ported too aggressively for the cam, or that I still need to bring more air in . . . . . not at all sure what's up

your torque curve looks great actually... i'd take out some of that fuel up top to pick up some torque and hp. Your still running a 12:1 ratio up high... usually i try to keep it closer to 13:1 on the NA application. Also i've been able to push about 8 degrees advance timing below 4k rpms... then do 6 at 4500... 4 at 5k to redline. All on a 13:1 ratio running 91 octane. When you get your cam set it up for 2 degrees advance with this tune on you emanage and you should be well over 125whp.

Maybe you can make the above changes and redyno. This info is what i've done with the emanage on the lancer already. It's not to aggressive but for 91 it's safe and sound. Good luck.

308 Whp 300tq @18psi
 

heres the thread for those numbers
i finally did it!!

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=94038

Is that basically your bolt-ons? If so, it's looks kinda right, but it's a bit on the low side. If it's w/ cam work, it isn't right.

Maybe, you need to dyno it again via Auterra PDA. At least try to eliminate the possibilty of driver error on the pull. Then again, 3rd gear isn't exactly 1:1 (gear ratio), and I know it's hard to find enough room to pull 4th gear.

119.4 hp@5500 rpm

115.1 tq@ 4500 rpm

Untuned
3rd gear pull
Mustange dyno
check here for more info:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=134541&page=3

WADAD

Since I've been tinkering, I thought I'd add a couple notes to my previous posts.
First, that dyno was before cam or timing work, so that wasn't the issue.
Second, exhaust leaks suck. however, thread lock is our friend and once that leak between the header and dp was fixed, it was like night and day.... I wish I'd taken care of that before.
Also, that wasn't with "bolt ons" exactly. I'd like to argue that a ported intake manifold, ported head and eManage running the 16X16 fuel map is a little more advanced than just bolt ons. Or you could argue that every modification to the car is just unbolting something to bolt something else on, so it's all bolt on mods :lol:

I'm really hoping to get to a drag strip by the end of the month for soem 1/4 mile times. and since I'm taking tomorrow off from work, I'm going to try to get to some roads that are away from cops and do some auterra dyno runs that are of good quality.

Stage 2 cam installed.

2 PDA dyno pulls tonight: 1st at 132/130 and the 2nd was 134/134 (actually got a weird spike to 477HP, but we'll stop paying attention to the data when it stops making any sense).

The curves aren't great and I know there's more power available.... it's just gonna take some time to find it. Over 4K RPM feels great though.

eManage users: get the timing harness, advance in the lower RPM range and start retarding at 3K.

oh oh! can i play too? :D

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...01#post2237501

done on a dynojet, 3rd gear (auto), @ 11 pounds of boost. Mods are: RIPP Stage 2 SDS, bored throttle body, ported 4g93 intake manifold, kamikaze headers, magnaflow high flow cat, magnaflow catback.

Thanks